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In 2012, the American Psychiatric Association removed the term “gender identity disorder” from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), reclassifying it as gender dysphoria.

For years advocates have lobbied the American Psychiatric Association to change or remove categories labeling transgender people in a psychiatric manual, arguing that terms like “Gender Identity Disorder” characterize all trans people as mentally ill.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults.

In adolescents and adults gender dysphoria diagnosis involves a difference between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender,

JohnStOnge wrote:And I hadn't noticed until I saw a bunch of clips of Trump's last nominee for Army Secretary saying transgender is a disease in a context suggesting he was saying something irrational. First thing I thought is, "It IS still recognized as a disease. It's called 'gender identity disorder."'

So I Googled "gender identity disorder" and immediately saw that the process of declaring, due to political and philosophical considerations, that it's not a disorder is well underway. "Disorder" had been removed from the name. Now it's been renamed "gender dysphoria."

Then I found an article from a site called "TeenVogue.com":

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trumps-a ... -a-disease

A quote:

Green is wrong.

In 2012, the American Psychiatric Association removed the term “gender identity disorder” from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), reclassifying it as gender dysphoria.

That sentence has a link in it that takes you to an article in "Advocate." This quote is in that one:

For years advocates have lobbied the American Psychiatric Association to change or remove categories labeling transgender people in a psychiatric manual, arguing that terms like “Gender Identity Disorder” characterize all trans people as mentally ill.

So there you have it. It's happening again in the current context. A condition historically identified as a disorder is being reclassified so that it will no longer be considered as such. And it's not happening because of any change in the science. It's happening because of political/philosophical advocacy. Because people are pushing for it because they want official validation of their denial of the reality that there is something wrong with you if you are born a male but want to think you're a female or visa versa.

BTW I'm not sure the process is complete. I found an American Psychiatric Association discussion of it at https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam ... -dysphoria. I read it as saying gender dysphoria is still considered a disorder. I say that because it contrasts the condition to "gender nonconformity" while saying "gender nonconformity is not a disorder."

And it has "Diagnosis" section including this language:

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults.

But if I'm correct in interpreting the article as indicating it's still recognized as a disorder I think it's just a matter of time before it's not. The political/philosophical wheels are turning.

One last thing: I see many things that make me cynical about the fields of Psychiatry and Psychology and here's another one from that American Psychiatric Association page:

In adolescents and adults gender dysphoria diagnosis involves a difference between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender,

I've seen that before. In fact I took a survey that asked me what gender I was "assigned" at birth.

The implication is complete nonsense. With very rare exceptions such as those involving people born with both male and female genitalia (intersex), we are not "assigned" a "gender" at birth. Way over 99% of us are born clearly and unequivocally male or clearly and unequivocally female. Nobody "assigns" that to us. It's inherent. We are no more "assigned" gender at birth than I "assigned" marine animals their sex years ago when I did surveys as a State biologist and counted males and females to estimate sex rations. It's like saying a pine tree was "assigned" to be a pine tree. Like the only reason I was categorized as a male is that some Doctor flipped a coin and decided that's what I'd be.

Use of that kind of terminology..."assigned gender"...in one more thing that makes me think the field of Psychiatry has been irrevocably contaminated by philosophical/political pressure and/or bias.

JohnStOnge wrote:And I hadn't noticed until I saw a bunch of clips of Trump's last nominee for Army Secretary saying transgender is a disease in a context suggesting he was saying something irrational. First thing I thought is, "It IS still recognized as a disease. It's called 'gender identity disorder."'

So I Googled "gender identity disorder" and immediately saw that the process of declaring, due to political and philosophical considerations, that it's not a disorder is well underway. "Disorder" had been removed from the name. Now it's been renamed "gender dysphoria."

Then I found an article from a site called "TeenVogue.com":

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trumps-a ... -a-disease

A quote:

Green is wrong.

In 2012, the American Psychiatric Association removed the term “gender identity disorder” from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), reclassifying it as gender dysphoria.

That sentence has a link in it that takes you to an article in "Advocate." This quote is in that one:

For years advocates have lobbied the American Psychiatric Association to change or remove categories labeling transgender people in a psychiatric manual, arguing that terms like “Gender Identity Disorder” characterize all trans people as mentally ill.

So there you have it. It's happening again in the current context. A condition historically identified as a disorder is being reclassified so that it will no longer be considered as such. And it's not happening because of any change in the science. It's happening because of political/philosophical advocacy. Because people are pushing for it because they want official validation of their denial of the reality that there is something wrong with you if you are born a male but want to think you're a female or visa versa.

BTW I'm not sure the process is complete. I found an American Psychiatric Association discussion of it at https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam ... -dysphoria. I read it as saying gender dysphoria is still considered a disorder. I say that because it contrasts the condition to "gender nonconformity" while saying "gender nonconformity is not a disorder."

And it has "Diagnosis" section including this language:

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults.

But if I'm correct in interpreting the article as indicating it's still recognized as a disorder I think it's just a matter of time before it's not. The political/philosophical wheels are turning.

One last thing: I see many things that make me cynical about the fields of Psychiatry and Psychology and here's another one from that American Psychiatric Association page:

In adolescents and adults gender dysphoria diagnosis involves a difference between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender,

I've seen that before. In fact I took a survey that asked me what gender I was "assigned" at birth.

The implication is complete nonsense. With very rare exceptions such as those involving people born with both male and female genitalia (intersex), we are not "assigned" a "gender" at birth. Way over 99% of us are born clearly and unequivocally male or clearly and unequivocally female. Nobody "assigns" that to us. It's inherent. We are no more "assigned" gender at birth than I "assigned" marine animals their sex years ago when I did surveys as a State biologist and counted males and females to estimate sex rations. It's like saying a pine tree was "assigned" to be a pine tree. Like the only reason I was categorized as a male is that some Doctor flipped a coin and decided that's what I'd be.

Use of that kind of terminology..."assigned gender"...in one more thing that makes me think the field of Psychiatry has been irrevocably contaminated by philosophical/political pressure and/or bias.

It’s not easy to determine what is a psychological disorder. The DSM-IV explains, “…the concept of mental disorder (like many other concepts in medicine and science) lacks a consistent operational definition that covers all situations.”

Psychologists define a psychological disorder broadly as psychological dysfunction in an individual that is associated with distress or impairment and a reaction that is not culturally expected. When considering if something is a symptom of a disorder, consider the three Ds: Is it psychologically dysfunctional? Is it distressing or handicapping to the individual or others? Is it associated with a response that is atypical or deviant?

"I've studied authoritarianism for a very long time - for 40 years - and they're started by people's attempts to control the ideological and linguistic territory," he told the BBC.
"There's no way I'm going to use words made up by people who are doing that - not a chance."
Dr Peterson is concerned proposed federal human rights legislation "will elevate into hate speech" his refusal to use alternative pronouns.
Legal experts disagree.
Bill C-16, currently before Canada's parliament, prohibits discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act on the basis of gender identity and expression. The bill covers the federal government and federally regulated industries like banks or airlines. It also extends hate speech provisions under Canada's criminal code to transgendered people.
"I don't think any legal expert would say using an inappropriate pronoun, while not something that respects the human rights of trans people, would ever result in a criminal conviction," said Kyle Kirkup, a law professor with the University of Ottawa who specialises in gender identity and sexuality law.
But Dr Peterson could face sanction under Ontario's human rights code, which extended protection to trans people in 2012.

SeattleGriz wrote:I work in the same building with a newly minted woman and I have no clue what to say to her for fear of saying the wrong thing. I have no ill will, simply don't give a ****.

SeattleGriz wrote:I work in the same building with a newly minted woman and I have no clue what to say to her for fear of saying the wrong thing. I have no ill will, simply don't give a ****.

Ivytalk wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:I work in the same building with a newly minted woman and I have no clue what to say to her for fear of saying the wrong thing. I have no ill will, simply don't give a ****.

"Nice tits" is a good icebreaker.

CID1990 wrote:I refuse to be affected by other peoples' stupidity if I can help it

If I CAN'T help it, then I try to make myself as offensive as I possibly can


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Ivytalk wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:I work in the same building with a newly minted woman and I have no clue what to say to her for fear of saying the wrong thing. I have no ill will, simply don't give a ****.

"Nice tits" is a good icebreaker.

SeattleGriz wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: "Nice tits" is a good icebreaker.

Does that line actually work?! I have to try that.

Ivytalk wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:I work in the same building with a newly minted woman and I have no clue what to say to her for fear of saying the wrong thing. I have no ill will, simply don't give a ****.

"Nice tits" is a good icebreaker.

And, John, some Libertarian you are.

JohnStOnge wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: "Nice tits" is a good icebreaker.

And, John, some Libertarian you are.

I did not say someone should not be allowed to pretend they are not what they are if they want to do that. I did not say government should make it illegal for a man to dress like a woman or visa versa.

What I'm said that the field of psychiatry is in the process of making another decision on the basis of philosophical/political pressure to do so. Psychiatry will remove what we used to call gender identity disorder from its list of disorders and people who resist will be told that "science" has determined that it's not a disorder. But it won't have been science that did it.

CID1990 wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
I did not say someone should not be allowed to pretend they are not what they are if they want to do that. I did not say government should make it illegal for a man to dress like a woman or visa versa.

What I'm said that the field of psychiatry is in the process of making another decision on the basis of philosophical/political pressure to do so. Psychiatry will remove what we used to call gender identity disorder from its list of disorders and people who resist will be told that "science" has determined that it's not a disorder. But it won't have been science that did it.

You're the same guy who has diagnosed Trump as a paychopath

JohnStOnge wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: "Nice tits" is a good icebreaker.

And, John, some Libertarian you are.

I did not say someone should not be allowed to pretend they are not what they are if they want to do that. I did not say government should make it illegal for a man to dress like a woman or visa versa.

What I'm said that the field of psychiatry is in the process of making another decision on the basis of philosophical/political pressure to do so. Psychiatry will remove what we used to call gender identity disorder from its list of disorders and people who resist will be told that "science" has determined that it's not a disorder. But it won't have been science that did it.

Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
You're the same guy who has diagnosed Trump as a paychopath

Trump is probably not a "psychopath"
But he's absolutely pathological

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Trump is probably not a "psychopath"
But he's absolutely pathological

No dispute there

I'm just amused that a guy who correctly says psychology isn't a science is more than willing to pretend it's a science when it comes to Trump

JohnStOnge wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
No dispute there

I'm just amused that a guy who correctly says psychology isn't a science is more than willing to pretend it's a science when it comes to Trump

I didn't say psychology isn't a science. I consider it to be a "soft" science. But it is a science.

And I do think there is such a thing as mental illness. Psychiatry and psychology are the fields that deal with that.

What I'm saying is that this is an example of a community of professionals in a particular field of science being corrupted by political/philosophical concerns.

CID1990 wrote:
Your mental gymnastics er, I mean evolution on this subject is more entertaining than any tv series

Maybe AMC or SyFy will pick you up