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Minnesota has record numbers of TB and measles cases. People are afraid to get vaccinations due to internet rumors. And of course the right wing media is blaming this on refuges. and the left wing media doesn't mention anything about the specific people with the disease.

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“The test for tuberculosis doesn’t work until at least eight weeks have passed between exposure,” Johnson said.

The treatment for TB is typically antibiotics. The disease is common worldwide, but it is rare in the United States.

Progressives and Mormons aren't vaccinating their kids.

The South (minus Atlanta-metro yankees ) are leading the way.

Pwns wrote:

Progressives and Mormons aren't vaccinating their kids.

The South (minus Atlanta-metro yankees ) are leading the way.

So Arizona and Maine are now progressive?

Of course the South leads the way. Just like it leads the way in swamp itch, cousin humping, and hygiene.

kalm wrote:

Pwns wrote:

Progressives and Mormons aren't vaccinating their kids.

The South (minus Atlanta-metro yankees ) are leading the way.

So Arizona and Maine are now progressive?

Of course the South leads the way. Just like it leads the way in swamp itch, cousin humping, and hygiene.

Bleh.

There's no room for all that nuance stuff. I learned that from all the "look at all the problems the red states are having durr hurr!" threads here and on AGS.

kalm wrote:

Pwns wrote:

Progressives and Mormons aren't vaccinating their kids.

The South (minus Atlanta-metro yankees ) are leading the way.

So Arizona and Maine are now progressive?

Of course the South leads the way. Just like it leads the way in swamp itch, cousin humping, and hygiene.

Do you have ANY comprehension of the density of the Mormon population in Arizona?

I have a hard time with this one because I went through an experience of refusing to follow a vaccine recommendation with my kids back in the 1980s and was later unquestionably vindicated by having the vaccine policy of the time be changed to what I did.

And I know that vaccine policy is NOT based on worrying about what's best for YOUR kid as an individual. It's a "herd immunity" thing. There is NO question that the thought process sanctions sacrificing some individuals in the name of an overall better population result if it comes to it.

JohnStOnge wrote:I have a hard time with this one because I went through an experience of refusing to follow a vaccine recommendation with my kids back in the 1980s and was later unquestionably vindicated by having the vaccine policy of the time be changed to what I did.

And I know that vaccine policy is NOT based on worrying about what's best for YOUR kid as an individual. It's a "herd immunity" thing. There is NO question that the thought process sanctions sacrificing some individuals in the name of an overall better population result if it comes to it.

OK, Dr. Mengele, let me get this straight. You have some "principled" objection to a "thought process" that results in an "overall better population result" in the case of vaccinations. Yet you have openly advocated the sterilization of an electorate that voted to elect Trump, even though that election might have an "overall better population result" by certain political measures. Gotcha.

kalm wrote:

Pwns wrote:

Progressives and Mormons aren't vaccinating their kids.

The South (minus Atlanta-metro yankees ) are leading the way.

So Arizona and Maine are now progressive?

Of course the South leads the way. Just like it leads the way in swamp itch, cousin humping, and hygiene.

You keep this up, we'll stop exporting football talent.

JohnStOnge wrote:I have a hard time with this one because I went through an experience of refusing to follow a vaccine recommendation with my kids back in the 1980s and was later unquestionably vindicated by having the vaccine policy of the time be changed to what I did.

And I know that vaccine policy is NOT based on worrying about what's best for YOUR kid as an individual. It's a "herd immunity" thing. There is NO question that the thought process sanctions sacrificing some individuals in the name of an overall better population result if it comes to it.

You don't understand the reasoning behind the anti-vaxers. Most of it is based off of flawed science which has since been disproved. The link to autism is un-founded and the use of thermisol has been discontinued in children vaccines since 2001. Though, it's still in the flu shot.

https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sc ... and-autism

There were some vaccinations that we chose (in 2014) to delay b/c there was no medical need to give it at that moment.

Ibanez wrote:The link to autism is un-founded and the use of thermisol has been discontinued in children vaccines since 2001.

I'm not an anti-vax person, but why the two orders Colonel Jessup? If Thimerosal wasn't bad for kids, why did they remove it? I honestly don't blame people for being leery of vaccines that are common and approved. Lots of things were common and approved that have later been found to be bad ideas.

Catfish, when your little one gets older and they come up with a new vaccine that has some possible side effects, you will certainly question this. My kids were in the first batches of kids to get the HPV shots. We debated it for quite a while.

89Hen wrote:

Ibanez wrote:The link to autism is un-founded and the use of thermisol has been discontinued in children vaccines since 2001.

I'm not an anti-vax person, but why the two orders Colonel Jessup? If Thimerosal wasn't bad for kids, why did they remove it? I honestly don't blame people for being leery of vaccines that are common and approved. Lots of things were common and approved that have later been found to be bad ideas.

Catfish, when your little one gets older and they come up with a new vaccine that has some possible side effects, you will certainly question this. My kids were in the first batches of kids to get the HPV shots. We debated it for quite a while.

HPV shot was the one we delayed. I understand questioning, nobody should blindly follow anyone's advice.

I'm more of the theory that the timeline for vaccines should be looked out. A newborn has a weak immune system- so let's give it all sorts of stuff at once. That logic doesn't make sense to me.


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My militant vegan Brother and Sister in lwa wer all anti vaccine "based on religion" which they have now. Things went well until my nephew had to go to public school kindergarten Every thing changed and he had to go to the doctors twice a week to catch up. Maryland law removed the "religious" exemption. LOL Poor kid got stuck so many times that summr.

Vaccines cause autism in those individuals that have underlying metabolic issues. For example, the vaccine court has awarded monetary judgments in around 100 cases in which they determined the vaccine had caused autism. If we want to prevent this, we need to draw blood when they are born and simply run some basic tests to screen out those more sensitive to vaccines. We do absolutely zero metabolic testing of our children before we give vaccinations.

Now with that said, 100 cases is what you would hopefully expect when you put that up against the millions of injury free vaccinations.

Food for thought. You guys really think the Pharmaceutical industry is 100% correct with their data on vaccinations and their effects?

Read this little tidbit by the editor in chief of the Lancet, Robert Horton:

http://www.acsh.org/news/2015/05/19/sci ... al-editors

The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.

Here is a little tidbit from an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine:

It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.

Here's a nice one from Nature on the same subject, if you are looking for a reputable source on flawed studies.

http://www.nature.com/news/1-500-scient ... ty-1.19970

My point is that many studies are now being discovered as flawed. How can we do a new study, if the old one it was based on was flawed or cannot be reproduced.

SeattleGriz wrote:Vaccines cause autism in those individuals that have underlying metabolic issues. For example, the vaccine court has awarded monetary judgments in around 100 cases in which they determined the vaccine had caused autism. If we want to prevent this, we need to draw blood when they are born and simply run some basic tests to screen out those more sensitive to vaccines. We do absolutely zero metabolic testing of our children before we give vaccinations.

Bull-fucking-shit

Love the anti-vaxxer moving goalpost

"Thimerosal did it!"

"MMR did it!"

"It affects the gut flora!"

"Vaccine court damages!"

"Scientific method is flawed!"

"Big pharma!"

"9/11!"

Silenoz wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:Vaccines cause autism in those individuals that have underlying metabolic issues. For example, the vaccine court has awarded monetary judgments in around 100 cases in which they determined the vaccine had caused autism. If we want to prevent this, we need to draw blood when they are born and simply run some basic tests to screen out those more sensitive to vaccines. We do absolutely zero metabolic testing of our children before we give vaccinations.

Bull-fucking-shit

Your basis for saying this is bull-fucking-shit? Are you doubting the CDC's own stats?

SeattleGriz wrote:

Silenoz wrote:
Bull-fucking-shit

Your basis for saying this is bull-fucking-shit? Are you doubting the CDC's own stats?

Or maybe you don't understand what vaccine damage actually is?

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/ ... ct-fiction

http://www.healthline.com/health/hepatic-encephalopathy

Silenoz wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Your basis for saying this is bull-fucking-shit? Are you doubting the CDC's own stats?

Or maybe you don't understand what vaccine damage actually is?

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/ ... ct-fiction

http://www.healthline.com/health/hepatic-encephalopathy

Why do I need to understand anything other than the US Vaccine Court awarded around 100 people compensation for vaccine injuries that caused autism? Fact is fact.

Besides, if you read my post, I defended vaccines in the other non 100 people that accounts for millions.

SeattleGriz wrote:

Silenoz wrote:
Or maybe you don't understand what vaccine damage actually is?

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/ ... ct-fiction

http://www.healthline.com/health/hepatic-encephalopathy

Why do I need to understand anything other than the US Vaccine Court awarded around 100 people compensation for vaccine injuries that caused autism?

Uh, because they didn't?

Vaccine damages are awarded out to every millionth person. Amazingly, two of said people had autism. What are the odds?

Silenoz wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Why do I need to understand anything other than the US Vaccine Court awarded around 100 people compensation for vaccine injuries that caused autism?

Uh, because they didn't?

Vaccine damages are awarded out to every millionth person. Amazingly, two of said people had autism. What are the odds?

How is that different than what I said? So willing to jump in and start bitching, you didn't even read what I said. 100 out of millions. Pretty much what you are saying, and I even said they had to have an underlying metabolic condition to cause the issue.

Because you're still spreading the vaccines cause autism misinformation. They don't. End of story.

Vaccines CAN cause injury, including brain damage. So do almonds, and basically every other compound on the planet. Neither causes autism.

Silenoz wrote:Because you're still spreading the vaccines cause autism misinformation. They don't. End of story.

Vaccines DO cause injury, including brain damage. So do almonds, and basically every other compound on the planet. Neither causes autism.

How's this? Vaccines can trigger autism in those individuals with certain underlying metabolic conditions (mitochondrial dysfunction).

SeattleGriz wrote:

Silenoz wrote:Because you're still spreading the vaccines cause autism misinformation. They don't. End of story.

Vaccines DO cause injury, including brain damage. So do almonds, and basically every other compound on the planet. Neither causes autism.

How's this? Vaccines can trigger autism in those individuals with certain underlying metabolic conditions (mitochondrial dysfunction).

I saw that coming:

Similarly to diseases associated with mutations in the SCN1A gene, children with mitochondrial dysfunction often have an exacerbation in symptomatology (for example, encephalopathy or regression in milestones) with febrile illnesses. No clear evidence is available to suggest that vaccines can cause similar regression (12). Despite this, if regression or encephalopathy did develop in a patient with mitochondrial dysfunction, it could be that the fever itself, and not the vaccine, is the real cause of exacerbation, as is seen in SMEI. If this is the case, it may be even more prudent to immunize children with mitochondrial disorders to decrease their risk of acquiring febrile illnesses in early childhood. Additionally, as in SMEI, it is unlikely that those with mitochondrial disease simply require a vaccine ‘trigger’ to set off the disease process because most patients with mitochondrial disease do not have an onset of symptoms associated with vaccination.