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Just Outrageous!

I can't believe the Christian right would attempt to use identity politics. Better cut it out or the liberal left will start doing it and campaigns will be about "muh oppression" instead of issues.

Written by a liberal New Jersey Lutheran pastor. Move along, nothing to see here.

Only thing worse than a liberal politician is a liberal theologian


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Pwns wrote:Just Outrageous!

I can't believe the Christian right would attempt to use identity politics. Better cut it out or the liberal left will start doing it and campaigns will be about "muh oppression" instead of issues.

So you admit Religion is a tool...
Good to know for future use (Thank you)

Jjoey52 wrote:Only thing worse than a liberal politician is a liberal theologian


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Yeah...those pesky liberal theologians focusing on the message of Christ instead of worshipping the creeds.

I can see why that's upsetting to some...

This thread is off to a splendid start!

Chizzang wrote:

Pwns wrote:Just Outrageous!

I can't believe the Christian right would attempt to use identity politics. Better cut it out or the liberal left will start doing it and campaigns will be about "muh oppression" instead of issues.

So you admit Religion is a tool...
Good to know for future use (Thank you)

Huh?

Pwns wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
So you admit Religion is a tool...
Good to know for future use (Thank you)

Huh?

Is it really that confusing
You had a few choices in your response to the thread - think about what your response choice says



Take your time

Chizzang wrote:

Pwns wrote:
Huh?

Is it really that confusing
You had a few choices in your response to the thread - think about what your response choice says



Take your time

Are you familiar with the term "non sequitur", Chizzy?

You made the jump from large mega churches which even a lot of Christians don't care for to "religion".

kalm wrote:

Jjoey52 wrote:Only thing worse than a liberal politician is a liberal theologian


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Yeah...those pesky liberal theologians focusing on the message of Christ instead of worshipping the creeds.

I can see why that's upsetting to some...

This thread is off to a splendid start!

No, liberal theologians do not take biblical truth and insert their own narrative, creed and dogma, whereas conservatives take the Bible literally.


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Jjoey52 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Yeah...those pesky liberal theologians focusing on the message of Christ instead of worshipping the creeds.

I can see why that's upsetting to some...

This thread is off to a splendid start!

No, liberal theologians do not take biblical truth and insert their own narrative, creed and dogma, whereas conservatives take the Bible literally.


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I thought that Christianity was better than Islam because Christians don't take 100% of the Bible literally?

Jjoey52 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Yeah...those pesky liberal theologians focusing on the message of Christ instead of worshipping the creeds.

I can see why that's upsetting to some...

This thread is off to a splendid start!

No, liberal theologians do not take biblical truth and insert their own narrative, creed and dogma, whereas conservatives take the Bible literally.


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Please provide some examples of both conservative and liberal views. I'm not an expert on the Bible and would appreciate the enlightenment. Thanks in advance.

Liberal Theologians would say the words of Jesus were added later, while conservatives would believe eyewitness accounts is one example.


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Jjoey52 wrote:Liberal Theologians would say the words of Jesus were added later, while conservatives would believe eyewitness accounts is one example.


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Interesting,

There was a Messiah who lived and died as recorded 2000 years ago, however, 400 years later his "God" given title was changed to Christ by a paganized Roman Church and the message of the bible was changed from being about Israelites to pagans, and then 1100 years after that his God given name was changed from Yeshua to Jesus (with out the consent of the Creator one might add).

Somewhere in the afternath of this stuff we are discussing the "comparitive values" of truth between lefties and righties?

Just asking?

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Jjoey52 wrote:Liberal Theologians would say the words of Jesus were added later, while conservatives would believe eyewitness accounts is one example.


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You mean liberals doubt a group of Middle Eastern men were illiterate? And they weren't named Mark or John?


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Pwns wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Is it really that confusing
You had a few choices in your response to the thread - think about what your response choice says



Take your time

Are you familiar with the term "non sequitur", Chizzy?

You made the jump from large mega churches which even a lot of Christians don't care for to "religion".

So they're mutually exclusive now..?
And if they're large that means they're full of Christians
so yeah there's that part...



It's like Yogi Berra logic
That Cafe is so busy nobody goes there anymore

Bisonfanatical wrote:

Jjoey52 wrote:Liberal Theologians would say the words of Jesus were added later, while conservatives would believe eyewitness accounts is one example.


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Interesting,

There was a Messiah who lived and died as recorded 2000 years ago, however, 400 years later his "God" given title was changed to Christ by a paganized Roman Church and the message of the bible was changed from being about Israelites to pagans, and then 1100 years after that his God given name was changed from Yeshua to Jesus (with out the consent of the Creator one might add).

Somewhere in the afternath of this stuff we are discussing the "comparitive values" of truth between lefties and righties?

Just asking?

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Not going to get into what the Romans did or did not do. The last book of the Bible was written prior to the year 100.


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Have we solved religion yet


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Jjoey52 wrote:

Bisonfanatical wrote: Interesting,

There was a Messiah who lived and died as recorded 2000 years ago, however, 400 years later his "God" given title was changed to Christ by a paganized Roman Church and the message of the bible was changed from being about Israelites to pagans, and then 1100 years after that his God given name was changed from Yeshua to Jesus (with out the consent of the Creator one might add).

Somewhere in the afternath of this stuff we are discussing the "comparitive values" of truth between lefties and righties?

Just asking?

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Not going to get into what the Romans did or did not do. The last book of the Bible was written prior to the year 100.


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True,

But all the changes "we" believe in are not from the first books of the first 100 years, but are from "man made" doctrines of the Church of the Roman Empire which twist the message of those books, and this took place much later in history.
My intent was to make the point that both parties attend churches which are solidly based in deception and have no understanding of what "truth" is, yet they want to stand on "truth" to slam each other.

P.S. the small town preacher from the letter above was definately a political hack more than a self proclaimed promoter of some "God’s love".


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P.S. the small town preacher from the letter above was definately a political hack more than a self proclaimed promoter of some "God’s love".

On this we totally agree.


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CID1990 wrote:Have we solved religion yet


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Quit being such a buzzkill...

Bisonfanatical wrote:

Jjoey52 wrote:Liberal Theologians would say the words of Jesus were added later, while conservatives would believe eyewitness accounts is one example.


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Interesting,

There was a Messiah who lived and died as recorded 2000 years ago, however, 400 years later his "God" given title was changed to Christ by a paganized Roman Church and the message of the bible was changed from being about Israelites to pagans, and then 1100 years after that his God given name was changed from Yeshua to Jesus (with out the consent of the Creator one might add).

Somewhere in the afternath of this stuff we are discussing the "comparitive values" of truth between lefties and righties?

Just asking?

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Wow. A lot of bad history here.

CID1990 wrote:Have we solved religion yet

Like pizza, it was "solved", but others decided to screw it up.

Chizzang wrote: So they're mutually exclusive now..?
And if they're large that means they're full of Christians
so yeah there's that part...



It's like Yogi Berra logic
That Cafe is so busy nobody goes there anymore

It's not a difficult concept, Chizz. It's like saying people in New York City represent all Americans when it doesn't even have 5% of the US population.

Not all churches are activist churches fighting "Christian percecution". The vast majority in fact, are not.

Pwns wrote:

Chizzang wrote: So they're mutually exclusive now..?
And if they're large that means they're full of Christians
so yeah there's that part...



It's like Yogi Berra logic
That Cafe is so busy nobody goes there anymore

It's not a difficult concept, Chizz. It's like saying people in New York City represent all Americans when it doesn't even have 5% of the US population.

Not all churches are activist churches fighting "Christian percecution". The vast majority in fact, are not.

Irrelevant...