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Don't know his full thoughts, but at least what he says in this meme, I agree with wholeheartedly.

To think if you simply listen and do what a televangelist tells you to do and you will earn favor with God flies in the face of what Jesus died for.

By saying that sort of shit like "Jesus will bless you, only if you do this" takes away from Jesus. It implies his sacrifice wasn't enough and you have to "work" your way to heaven.

Paul warned many churches that they kept falling back into this line of thinking.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:04 am
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Don't know his full thoughts, but at least what he says in this meme, I agree with wholeheartedly.

To think if you simply listen and do what a televangelist tells you to do and you will earn favor with God flies in the face of what Jesus died for.

By saying that sort of shit like "Jesus will bless you, only if you do this" takes away from Jesus. It implies his sacrifice wasn't enough and you have to "work" your way to heaven.

Paul warned many churches that they kept falling back into this line if thinking.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:04 am
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Don't know his full thoughts, but at least what he says in this meme, I agree with wholeheartedly.

To think if you simply listen and do what a televangelist tells you to do and you will earn favor with God flies in the face of what Jesus died for.

By saying that sort of shit like "Jesus will bless you, only if you do this" takes away from Jesus. It implies his sacrifice wasn't enough and you have to "work" your way to heaven.

Paul warned many churches that they kept falling back into this line of thinking.
Are Jesus's blessing automatic? Or do you need to genuinely ask for forgiveness of your sins?
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:58 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:04 am

Don't know his full thoughts, but at least what he says in this meme, I agree with wholeheartedly.

To think if you simply listen and do what a televangelist tells you to do and you will earn favor with God flies in the face of what Jesus died for.

By saying that sort of shit like "Jesus will bless you, only if you do this" takes away from Jesus. It implies his sacrifice wasn't enough and you have to "work" your way to heaven.

Paul warned many churches that they kept falling back into this line of thinking.
Are Jesus's blessing automatic? Or do you need to genuinely ask for forgiveness of your sins?
I'll say yes to genuinely asking. Don't think lip service cuts it.

When Jesus was asked by the Pharisee which was the most important Mosaic law to uphold, he replied "to love God with all your might" and the rest could be summarized as "treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated". If Jesus fulfilled ALL the laws, then I would hope one would then lead their lives in a manner that would reflect how Jesus lived his life.

At the risk of sounding just like the televangelist telling you what to do, that's not the case. I do not speak for Jesus. Just my thoughts and it's a question I think about often.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:36 am
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Are Jesus's blessing automatic? Or do you need to genuinely ask for forgiveness of your sins?
I'll say yes to genuinely asking. Don't think lip service cuts it.

When Jesus was asked by the Pharisee which was the most important Mosaic law to uphold, he replied "to love God with all your might" and the rest could be summarized as "treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated". If Jesus fulfilled ALL the laws, then I would hope one would then lead their lives in a manner that would reflect how Jesus lived his life.

At the risk of sounding just like the televangelist telling you what to do, that's not the case. I do not speak for Jesus. Just my thoughts and it's a question I think about often.
I agree with you that the answer is yes and that neither of us speaks for Jesus.

I asked because genuinely asking for forgiveness of your sins falls under "Jesus will bless you, only if you do this". Does it take away from Jesus? IMO what someone is asked to do for Jesus' blessing matters - genuinely asking for forgiveness is different from giving money to some wealthy televangelist.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:49 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:36 am

I'll say yes to genuinely asking. Don't think lip service cuts it.

When Jesus was asked by the Pharisee which was the most important Mosaic law to uphold, he replied "to love God with all your might" and the rest could be summarized as "treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated". If Jesus fulfilled ALL the laws, then I would hope one would then lead their lives in a manner that would reflect how Jesus lived his life.

At the risk of sounding just like the televangelist telling you what to do, that's not the case. I do not speak for Jesus. Just my thoughts and it's a question I think about often.
I agree with you that the answer is yes and that neither of us speaks for Jesus.

I asked because genuinely asking for forgiveness of your sins falls under "Jesus will bless you, only if you do this". Does it take away from Jesus? IMO what someone is asked to do for Jesus' blessing matters - genuinely asking for forgiveness is different from giving money to some wealthy televangelist.
Just so we are on the same page, I feel that accepting Jesus is different than asking for sins to be forgiven. Jesus fulfilled all the Laws and thus accepting him on your behalf is what allows the sins to be forgiven.

Might be splitting hairs, but wanted to clarify my stance.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:23 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:49 am
I agree with you that the answer is yes and that neither of us speaks for Jesus.

I asked because genuinely asking for forgiveness of your sins falls under "Jesus will bless you, only if you do this". Does it take away from Jesus? IMO what someone is asked to do for Jesus' blessing matters - genuinely asking for forgiveness is different from giving money to some wealthy televangelist.
Just so we are on the same page, I feel that accepting Jesus is different than asking for sins to be forgiven. Jesus fulfilled all the Laws and thus accepting him on your behalf is what allows the sins to be forgiven.

Might be splitting hairs, but wanted to clarify my stance.
Makes sense. I take issue with the people who are jerks 6 days a week but go to church on Sundays, sing hallelujah and think their sins are forgiven. Are their sins forgiven if they continue to be jerks? I would argue that they haven't really accepted Jesus or genuinely asked for forgiveness so no they haven't been forgiven.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:47 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:23 am

Just so we are on the same page, I feel that accepting Jesus is different than asking for sins to be forgiven. Jesus fulfilled all the Laws and thus accepting him on your behalf is what allows the sins to be forgiven.

Might be splitting hairs, but wanted to clarify my stance.
Makes sense. I take issue with the people who are jerks 6 days a week but go to church on Sundays, sing hallelujah and think their sins are forgiven. Are their sins forgiven if they continue to be jerks? I would argue that they haven't really accepted Jesus or genuinely asked for forgiveness so no they haven't been forgiven.
We had a term for people like that growing up in the Catholic church. They were "Three Day Catholics" as they only showed up for Christmas, Easter and maybe one other day out of the year.
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:59 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:47 am

Makes sense. I take issue with the people who are jerks 6 days a week but go to church on Sundays, sing hallelujah and think their sins are forgiven. Are their sins forgiven if they continue to be jerks? I would argue that they haven't really accepted Jesus or genuinely asked for forgiveness so no they haven't been forgiven.
We had a term for people like that growing up in the Catholic church. They were "Three Day Catholics" as they only showed up for Christmas, Easter and maybe one other day out of the year.
We called them Cafeteria Catholics :nod:
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:59 pm

We had a term for people like that growing up in the Catholic church. They were "Three Day Catholics" as they only showed up for Christmas, Easter and maybe one other day out of the year.
We called them Cafeteria Catholics :nod:
I've heard the term "Chreasters".

Cafeteria Catholics normally refer to Catholics that do show up, but just pick and choose what part of the Church they agree with (for or against abortion, for or against increased roles for women, etc)
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:59 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:47 am
Makes sense. I take issue with the people who are jerks 6 days a week but go to church on Sundays, sing hallelujah and think their sins are forgiven. Are their sins forgiven if they continue to be jerks? I would argue that they haven't really accepted Jesus or genuinely asked for forgiveness so no they haven't been forgiven.
We had a term for people like that growing up in the Catholic church. They were "Three Day Catholics" as they only showed up for Christmas, Easter and maybe one other day out of the year.
Growing up, I saw plenty of people in church every Sunday who were selfish, self-absorbed jerks the rest of the week. It was part of what turned me off to organized religion.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:03 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:59 pm

We had a term for people like that growing up in the Catholic church. They were "Three Day Catholics" as they only showed up for Christmas, Easter and maybe one other day out of the year.
Growing up, I saw plenty of people in church every Sunday who were selfish, self-absorbed jerks the rest of the week. It was part of what turned me off to organized religion.
It is why I identify as an independent in this area as well. :thumb:
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:08 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:03 pm
Growing up, I saw plenty of people in church every Sunday who were selfish, self-absorbed jerks the rest of the week. It was part of what turned me off to organized religion.
It is why I identify as an independent in this area as well. :thumb:
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:10 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:08 pm

It is why I identify as an independent in this area as well. :thumb:
My connection to God is a lot stronger when I'm standing on a mountain top or next to a waterfall after a good hike than it is when sitting in any church.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:03 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:59 pm

We had a term for people like that growing up in the Catholic church. They were "Three Day Catholics" as they only showed up for Christmas, Easter and maybe one other day out of the year.
Growing up, I saw plenty of people in church every Sunday who were selfish, self-absorbed jerks the rest of the week. It was part of what turned me off to organized religion.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:10 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:08 pm

It is why I identify as an independent in this area as well. :thumb:
My connection to God is a lot stronger when I'm standing on a mountain top or next to a waterfall after a good hike than it is when sitting in any church.
As a kid I always felt that we were worshiping the priest, or the bishop. Didn’t like that at ALL.

Haven’t been to a church (building) other than for my first marriage since I was about 16. And agreed about being on a mountain top. :nod: :nod:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:38 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:10 pm

My connection to God is a lot stronger when I'm standing on a mountain top or next to a waterfall after a good hike than it is when sitting in any church.
As a kid I always felt that we were worshiping the priest, or the bishop. Didn’t like that at ALL.

Haven’t been to a church (building) other than for my first marriage since I was about 16. And agreed about being on a mountain top. :nod: :nod:
What about weddings & funerals?
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:03 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:59 pm

We had a term for people like that growing up in the Catholic church. They were "Three Day Catholics" as they only showed up for Christmas, Easter and maybe one other day out of the year.
Growing up, I saw plenty of people in church every Sunday who were selfish, self-absorbed jerks the rest of the week. It was part of what turned me off to organized religion.
Ditto. NW Iowa is full of them.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:03 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:38 pm

As a kid I always felt that we were worshiping the priest, or the bishop. Didn’t like that at ALL.

Haven’t been to a church (building) other than for my first marriage since I was about 16. And agreed about being on a mountain top. :nod: :nod:
What about weddings & funerals?
I meant for church services.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:10 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:08 pm

It is why I identify as an independent in this area as well. :thumb:
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Don't know his full thoughts, but at least what he says in this meme, I agree with wholeheartedly.

To think if you simply listen and do what a televangelist tells you to do and you will earn favor with God flies in the face of what Jesus died for.

By saying that sort of shit like "Jesus will bless you, only if you do this" takes away from Jesus. It implies his sacrifice wasn't enough and you have to "work" your way to heaven.

Paul warned many churches that they kept falling back into this line of thinking.
:nod: Anyone that has bothered to read even the slightest bit of the New Testament knows the "prosperity preachers" are full of shit.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:03 pm
Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:59 pm

We had a term for people like that growing up in the Catholic church. They were "Three Day Catholics" as they only showed up for Christmas, Easter and maybe one other day out of the year.
Growing up, I saw plenty of people in church every Sunday who were selfish, self-absorbed jerks the rest of the week. It was part of what turned me off to organized religion.
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