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Liberal civil libertarian Professor Alan Dershowitz says Trump (who he hates) broke no laws and will not be impeached...

Like SK said in another thread, impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one. You don't need to break the law to be impeached, you just need to piss off enough members of the House to get impeached.

That was also last week. This story if moving pretty fast.

We're mounting quite a bit of evidence for obstruction of justice.

And, we'll see what the FinCEN shows.

But, remember this is a counterintelligence investigation. Almost all of the evidence is classified. Yes, you can argue "if there was evidence, it would have leaked." But, I don't think that's necessarily true.

Skjellyfetti wrote:That was also last week. This story if moving pretty fast.

We're mounting quite a bit of evidence for obstruction of justice.

And, we'll see what the FinCEN shows.

But, remember this is a counterintelligence investigation. Almost all of the evidence is classified. Yes, you can argue "if there was evidence, it would have leaked." But, I don't think that's necessarily true.

We?

AZGrizFan wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:That was also last week. This story if moving pretty fast.

We're mounting quite a bit of evidence for obstruction of justice.

And, we'll see what the FinCEN shows.

But, remember this is a counterintelligence investigation. Almost all of the evidence is classified. Yes, you can argue "if there was evidence, it would have leaked." But, I don't think that's necessarily true.

We?

The US of A

Trial will be United States of America vs. Donald Trump

Skjellyfetti wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
We?

The US of A

Trial will be United States of America vs. Donald Trump

"WE the people"

Conks are conditioned to only think "me".

Jebus! What is going to happen when he gets re-elected? The minority is going to go into conniption fits!!!

Skjellyfetti wrote:That was also last week. This story if moving pretty fast.

We're mounting quite a bit of evidence for obstruction of justice.

And, we'll see what the FinCEN shows.

But, remember this is a counterintelligence investigation. Almost all of the evidence is classified. Yes, you can argue "if there was evidence, it would have leaked." But, I don't think that's necessarily true.

There's almost no evidence of obstruction of justice at this time, despite CNN's hopes that there are. Comey's letter is the closest thing to such a charge and if the leaked information is true, including the words used in that conversation three months ago, then it's not much. Especially considering that Comey, if he thought it was truly an obstruction of justice, didn't do anything other than write himself a memo. The recent stuff that just came out last night sounds like Trump wants people to tell his side of the story, especially if he knows the evidence is there to show no collusion on his part (him personally, not people that worked for him - clearly Flynn is going to be busted on some charge, they'll have their choice of what to charge him with, and likely others). There could certainly be a smoking gun somewhere and Trump could certainly be guilty of something that would rise to impeachment (other than buffoonery) - we're just not there yet.

kalm wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
The US of A

Trial will be United States of America vs. Donald Trump

"WE the people"

Conks are conditioned to only think "me".

Of course, partisanship only exists on the right side of the political aisle.

andy7171 wrote:Jebus! What is going to happen when he gets re-elected? The minority is going to go into conniption fits!!!

You know that wont happen. Too many members of his own party are already exhausted by his shit.

GannonFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
"WE the people"

Conks are conditioned to only think "me".

Of course, partisanship only exists on the right side of the political aisle.

Aaaawwww...are your feelings of balance and the middle hurt?

Where did I mention partisanship? I jokingly called out conks for a meme they are generally proud of...we're a me society, not a we society.

You probably think "liberal" is a partisan term too.

GannonFan wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:That was also last week. This story if moving pretty fast.

We're mounting quite a bit of evidence for obstruction of justice.

And, we'll see what the FinCEN shows.

But, remember this is a counterintelligence investigation. Almost all of the evidence is classified. Yes, you can argue "if there was evidence, it would have leaked." But, I don't think that's necessarily true.

There's almost no evidence of obstruction of justice at this time, despite CNN's hopes that there are. Comey's letter is the closest thing to such a charge and if the leaked information is true, including the words used in that conversation three months ago, then it's not much. Especially considering that Comey, if he thought it was truly an obstruction of justice, didn't do anything other than write himself a memo. The recent stuff that just came out last night sounds like Trump wants people to tell his side of the story, especially if he knows the evidence is there to show no collusion on his part (him personally, not people that worked for him - clearly Flynn is going to be busted on some charge, they'll have their choice of what to charge him with, and likely others). There could certainly be a smoking gun somewhere and Trump could certainly be guilty of something that would rise to impeachment (other than buffoonery) - we're just not there yet.

I think we are starting to see a pattern of behavior. Last week it was that he kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation. This week we're hearing (and actually there's testimony occurring today) he made similar requests to DNI and NSA Directors Coats and Rogers (respectively). Coats and Rogers haven't confirmed/denied, so keep that mind.


Or this can be the Deep State just throwing stuff against the wall, hoping something sticks.

Ibanez wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
There's almost no evidence of obstruction of justice at this time, despite CNN's hopes that there are. Comey's letter is the closest thing to such a charge and if the leaked information is true, including the words used in that conversation three months ago, then it's not much. Especially considering that Comey, if he thought it was truly an obstruction of justice, didn't do anything other than write himself a memo. The recent stuff that just came out last night sounds like Trump wants people to tell his side of the story, especially if he knows the evidence is there to show no collusion on his part (him personally, not people that worked for him - clearly Flynn is going to be busted on some charge, they'll have their choice of what to charge him with, and likely others). There could certainly be a smoking gun somewhere and Trump could certainly be guilty of something that would rise to impeachment (other than buffoonery) - we're just not there yet.

I think we are starting to see a pattern of behavior. Last week it was that he kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation. This week we're hearing (and actually there's testimony occurring today) he made similar requests to DNI and NSA Directors Coats and Rogers (respectively). Coats and Rogers haven't confirmed/denied, so keep that mind.


Or this can be the Deep State just throwing stuff against the wall, hoping something sticks.

You do understand that the reporter on the story that claims Trump kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation never saw the memo. He quoted someone who claimed to have seen it .

Nothing like building a case in the media using third-hand information...

Col Hogan wrote:

Ibanez wrote:
I think we are starting to see a pattern of behavior. Last week it was that he kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation. This week we're hearing (and actually there's testimony occurring today) he made similar requests to DNI and NSA Directors Coats and Rogers (respectively). Coats and Rogers haven't confirmed/denied, so keep that mind.


Or this can be the Deep State just throwing stuff against the wall, hoping something sticks.

You do understand that the reporter on the story that claims Trump kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation never saw the memo. He quoted someone who claimed to have seen it .

Nothing like building a case in the media using third-hand information...

Don't worry your sweet little head Hoagie, Comey is going to testify before Congress shortly, and all will be revealed...

Vidav wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Jebus! What is going to happen when he gets re-elected? The minority is going to go into conniption fits!!!

You know that wont happen. Too many members of his own party are already exhausted by his shit.

Hell, I never thought he's get ELECTED, so I sure as hell won't bet against him getting REELECTED.

Col Hogan wrote: You do understand that the reporter on the story that claims Trump kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation never saw the memo. He quoted someone who claimed to have seen it .

Nothing like building a case in the media using third-hand information...

The reporter was read the memo directly by a source who had the memo. They confirmed it with a second source who had seen the memo.

Mueller has reviewed the memos.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/ ... stigation/

And, I'm pretty sure he'll be questioning the WH officials that asked Rogers and Coats to intervene in FBI investigation to shut it down.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Col Hogan wrote: You do understand that the reporter on the story that claims Trump kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation never saw the memo. He quoted someone who claimed to have seen it .

Nothing like building a case in the media using third-hand information...

The reporter was read the memo directly by a source who had the memo. They confirmed it with a second source who had seen the memo.

Mueller has reviewed the memos.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/ ... stigation/

And, I'm pretty sure he'll be questioning the WH officials that asked Rogers and Coats to intervene in FBI investigation to shut it down.

Still third hand and the reporter has not seen it....so you confirmed what I said...

Grizalltheway wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:
You do understand that the reporter on the story that claims Trump kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation never saw the memo. He quoted someone who claimed to have seen it .

Nothing like building a case in the media using third-hand information...

Don't worry your sweet little head Hoagie, Comey is going to testify before Congress shortly, and all will be revealed...

And if Comey confirms it, then its a story...otherwise, third hand info...

What if Comey doesn't confirm the story...what then?

Col Hogan wrote: Still third hand and the reporter has not seen it....so you confirmed what I said...

So you don't think the memos exist? Or the excerpts from them were inaccurate? Or what?

You're right that the reporter did not see the memo. But, I'd consider it second hand info more than third hand info. But, I guess it's not that big of a deal.

Col Hogan wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:
Don't worry your sweet little head Hoagie, Comey is going to testify before Congress shortly, and all will be revealed...

And if Comey confirms it, then its a story...otherwise, third hand info...

What if Comey doesn't confirm the story...what then?

Unfortunately, now that Mueller has been appointed, Comey's testimony will be much more boring.

If Mueller is considering pursuing obstruction of justice - he's not going to want Comey to say to much or to discuss the memos.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Col Hogan wrote: You do understand that the reporter on the story that claims Trump kinda/sorta asked Comey to drop the investigation never saw the memo. He quoted someone who claimed to have seen it .

Nothing like building a case in the media using third-hand information...

The reporter was read the memo directly by a source who had the memo. They confirmed it with a second source who had seen the memo.

Mueller has reviewed the memos.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/ ... stigation/

And, I'm pretty sure he'll be questioning the WH officials that asked Rogers and Coats to intervene in FBI investigation to shut it down.

Col Hogan wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
The reporter was read the memo directly by a source who had the memo. They confirmed it with a second source who had seen the memo.

Mueller has reviewed the memos.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/ ... stigation/

And, I'm pretty sure he'll be questioning the WH officials that asked Rogers and Coats to intervene in FBI investigation to shut it down.

Still third hand and the reporter has not seen it....so you confirmed what I said...

Yep. We haven't seen any evidence so far. Only been told about alleged memos and statements that anonymous sources claimed that Trump said. Anonymous & alleged doesn't equal evidence...

Vidav wrote:

andy7171 wrote:Jebus! What is going to happen when he gets re-elected? The minority is going to go into conniption fits!!!

You know that wont happen. Too many members of his own party are already exhausted by his ****.

Yeah, there's no way in hell Trump will win the conk nomination, just like people were saying on here in the summer/fall 2015..

Oh wait a minute...

AZGrizFan wrote:

Vidav wrote:
You know that wont happen. Too many members of his own party are already exhausted by his ****.

Hell, I never thought he's get ELECTED, so I sure as hell won't bet against him getting REELECTED.

Yeah, summer/fall 2015 people were saying he would get the nomination, and yet he did.

Last summer/fall virtually everyone not a Trump supporter (and even a lot of Trump supporters) were saying he wouldn't win the election, had no chance versus Hillary, was going to get crushed, landslide, it was over, etc, etc, and look what happened..

GD double post.....

BDKJMU wrote:

Vidav wrote:
You know that wont happen. Too many members of his own party are already exhausted by his ****.

Yeah, there's no way in hell Trump will win the conk nomination, just like people were saying on here in the summer/fall 2015..

Oh wait a minute...

I just mean now people have had a chance to see the results and even members of his own party in DC are speaking out against him. It's not the same.