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Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:58 am
by kalm
Hey...you guys can now quit pining on about moderate muslim leaders not speaking out against islamists!
Saudi, Egypt lead Arab states cutting Qatar ties, Iran blames Trump
By Noah Browning,Reuters 1 hour 55 minutes ago
Here's What's Behind the Qatar Diplomatic Split
By Noah Browning
DUBAI (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain severed their ties with Qatar on Monday, accusing it of supporting terrorism and opening up the worst rift in years among some of the most powerful states in the Arab world.
Iran -- long at odds with Saudi Arabia and a behind-the-scenes target of the move -- immediately blamed U.S. President Donald Trump for setting the stage during his recent trip to Riyadh.
Gulf Arab states and Egypt have already long resented Qatar's support for Islamists, especially the Muslim Brotherhood which they regard as a dangerous political enemy.
The coordinated move, with Yemen and Libya's eastern-based government joining in later, created a dramatic rift among the Arab nations, many of which are in OPEC.
Announcing the closure of transport ties with Qatar, the three Gulf states gave Qatari visitors and residents two weeks to leave. Qatar was also expelled from the Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen.
Oil giant Saudi Arabia accused Qatar of backing militant groups -- some backed by regional arch-rival Iran -- and broadcasting their ideology, an apparent reference to Qatar's influential state-owned satellite channel al Jazeera.
"(Qatar) embraces multiple terrorist and sectarian groups aimed at disturbing stability in the region, including the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS (Islamic State) and al-Qaeda, and promotes the message and schemes of these groups through their media constantly," Saudi state news agency SPA said.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-arabia ... 18986.html
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:06 am
by ASUG8
"...disturbing stability in the area..."?

Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:09 am
by CAA Flagship
Just stirring up interest for the World Cup 2022 because it was such a great choice.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:29 am
by ∞∞∞
Our own government doesn't speak out against the worst offender in that area: Saudi Arabia.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:22 am
by GannonFan
CAA Flagship wrote:Just stirring up interest for the World Cup 2022 because it was such a great choice.
Yes, that will be interesting, especially now that the US would likely be out of the running to be an emergency host should Qatar not be allowed to host in 2022. Assuming this will blow over by then and then all those poor construction workers who died to give us those fancy new stadiums will not have died in vain.

Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:30 am
by GannonFan
How about that, Trump moving the needle in the Middle East. Love how the Iranians blame it on the sword dance.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:09 am
by Chizzang
At this pace it will only take 300 more years for Islam to have it's Reformation
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:32 am
by ASUG8
Chizzang wrote:At this pace it will only take 300 more years for Islam to have it's Reformation
I think that's optimistic.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:51 pm
by Ivytalk
Chizzang wrote:At this pace it will only take 3000 more years for Islam to have it's Reformation
FIFY.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:00 am
by Ibanez
∞∞∞ wrote:Our own government doesn't speak out against the worst offender in that area: Saudi Arabia.
Why would they? They're a business partner. The same would be true if Clinton were POTUS right now. She's wouldn't be anymore in a position to criticize the Saudi's than any other politician.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:08 am
by kalm
Ibanez wrote:∞∞∞ wrote:Our own government doesn't speak out against the worst offender in that area: Saudi Arabia.
Why would they? They're a business partner. The same would be true if Clinton were POTUS right now. She's wouldn't be anymore in a position to criticize the Saudi's than any other politician.
Agreed on what Clinton do, but no one is in a better position to criticize and punish the Saudis than the POTUS. It's simply a choice not to.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:19 am
by Ibanez
kalm wrote:Ibanez wrote:
Why would they? They're a business partner. The same would be true if Clinton were POTUS right now. She's wouldn't be anymore in a position to criticize the Saudi's than any other politician.
Agreed on what Clinton do, but no one is in a better position to criticize and punish the Saudis than the POTUS. It's simply a choice not to.

Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:27 am
by houndawg
∞∞∞ wrote:Our own government doesn't speak out against the worst offender in that area: Saudi Arabia.
They wouldn't last a year without us. Why are we even in the middle East anymore?
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:29 am
by kalm
Interesting coincidence between Qatar denying a financing deal to the Kushner family, Tillerson trying to preach reason, and then Trump swooping in to smack Qatar around.
NOT LONG BEFORE a major crisis ripped through the Middle East, pitting the United States and a bloc of Gulf countries against Qatar, Jared Kushner’s real estate company had unsuccessfully sought a critical half-billion-dollar investment from one of the richest and most influential men in the tiny nation, according to three well-placed sources with knowledge of the near transaction.
Kushner is a senior adviser to President Trump, and also his son-in-law, and also the scion of a New York real estate empire that faces an extreme risk from an investment made by Kushner in the building at 666 Fifth Avenue, where the family is now severely underwater.
Qatar is facing an ongoing blockade led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates and joined by Egypt and Bahrain, which President Trump has taken credit for sparking. Kushner, meanwhile, has reportedly played a key behind-the-scenes role in hardening the U.S. posture toward the embattled nation.
That hard line comes in the wake of the previously unreported half-billion-dollar deal that was never consummated. Throughout 2015 and 2016, Jared Kushner and his father, Charles, negotiated directly with a major investor in Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani, known as HBJ for short, in an effort to refinance the property on Fifth Avenue, the sources said.
Trump himself has unsuccessfully sought financing in recent years from the Qataris, but it is difficult to overstate just how important the investment at 666 Fifth Avenue is for Kushner, his company, and his family’s legacy in real estate. Without some outside intervention or unforeseen turnaround in the market, the investment could become an embarrassing half-billion-dollar loss. It’s unclear precisely how much peril such a loss would put Jared’s or his family’s finances in, given the opacity of their private holdings........
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/10/jar ... rom-qatar/
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:47 am
by Ivytalk
Don Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner are all embarrassing little bitches without a shred of political judgment. When was the last time a POTUS had kids that made the nation proud? Reinforces the old adage that "children should be seen and not heard."
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:06 am
by ASUG8
Ivytalk wrote:Don Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner are all embarrassing little bitches without a shred of political judgment. When was the last time a POTUS had kids that made the nation proud? Reinforces the old adage that "children should be seen and not heard."
C'mon Ivy - were you asleep during the Obama's "Camelot 2.0"?

Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:15 am
by Grizalltheway
ASUG8 wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Don Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner are all embarrassing little bitches without a shred of political judgment. When was the last time a POTUS had kids that made the nation proud? Reinforces the old adage that "children should be seen and not heard."
C'mon Ivy - were you asleep during the Obama's "Camelot 2.0"?

Yeah, those Obama girls were real shameful little brats, amirite?
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:21 am
by 89Hen
kalm wrote:Hey...you guys can now quit pining on about moderate muslim leaders not speaking out against islamists!
Thank you Trump.

Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:15 am
by houndawg
kalm wrote:Ibanez wrote:
Why would they? They're a business partner. The same would be true if Clinton were POTUS right now. She's wouldn't be anymore in a position to criticize the Saudi's than any other politician.
Agreed on what Clinton do, but no one is in a better position to criticize and punish the Saudis than the POTUS. It's simply a choice not to.
The entire region is of less use to us every day. Get out of the middle east and cut the defense budget in half.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:38 am
by Ivytalk
Grizalltheway wrote:ASUG8 wrote:
C'mon Ivy - were you asleep during the Obama's "Camelot 2.0"?

Yeah, those Obama girls were real shameful little brats, amirite?
Rite.

Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:40 am
by Ivytalk
ASUG8 wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Don Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner are all embarrassing little bitches without a shred of political judgment. When was the last time a POTUS had kids that made the nation proud? Reinforces the old adage that "children should be seen and not heard."
C'mon Ivy - were you asleep during the Obama's "Camelot 2.0"?

Well, I lived through the next generation of Kennedys, and they were nothing to write home about. Three of them were at Harvard at the same time as I was, but only one (RFK Jr.) was in my class.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:21 am
by dbackjon
Ivytalk wrote:Don Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner are all embarrassing little bitches without a shred of political judgment. When was the last time a POTUS had kids that made the nation proud? Reinforces the old adage that "children should be seen and not heard."
Chelsea turned out very well.
The Bush Daughters seemed to have turned out well
Obama's Daughters never caused a problem.
You have to go back to Bush I to find embarrassing Children...
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:22 am
by dbackjon
Ivytalk wrote:ASUG8 wrote:
C'mon Ivy - were you asleep during the Obama's "Camelot 2.0"?

Well, I lived through the next generation of Kennedys, and they were nothing to write home about. Three of them were at Harvard at the same time as I was, but only one (RFK Jr.) was in my class.
Very few people are in your class, IT

Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:34 am
by 89Hen
dbackjon wrote:Obama's Daughters never caused a problem.
If you overlook the drug issues.
Re: Qatar is to blame...
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:53 am
by dbackjon
89Hen wrote:dbackjon wrote:Obama's Daughters never caused a problem.
If you overlook the drug issues.
Smoking a joint is not a drug issue.