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I think it goes like this:

I guarantee you that hypocritical bitch charges sales tax at her lemonade stand.

Grizalltheway wrote:I guarantee you that hypocritical bitch charges sales tax at her lemonade stand.

Well, he's not wrong. That is how Republicans are born. Taught by their parents from a young age that taxes are "stealing" and none of the benefits.

Grover probably covered her with a $2 or $3 loan at 21% APR.

Also, he's 60 and has an 8 year old daughter? What poor woman sacrificed her youth and vagina to raise his demon spawn?

Grizalltheway wrote:Also, he's 60 and has an 8 year old daughter? What poor woman sacrificed her youth and vagina to raise his demon spawn?

An immigrant from the Middle East.

I'm ALL FOR sales tax - on everything.... a consumption tax at a base percentage rate.

Get rid of the income tax

It is something you pay as you go. Politicians aren't able to hide a tax hike in the Byzantine tax code, so they will have much more immediate pain at the ballot box... the torches and pitchforks will come out

No more income tax evasion

No more IRS hanky panky

Tax attorneys won't like it, though

What would your base percentage rate be, roughly?

Skjellyfetti wrote:What would your base percentage rate be, roughly?

That would depend on a number of factors- and it would have its own set of problems, such as how people deciding not to "consume" can cause fluctuations in revenue. Plus, in a way, you'd be somewhat in control of how much tax you pay (I'll buy the Old Navy jeans instead of the Wranglers)

But the Tax Policy Center has some numbers:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing ... -sales-tax

I would be in favor of a tax-inclusive policy that gets the middle class down to paying around 5% of their income, in addition to whatever they buy.

CID1990 wrote:I'm ALL FOR sales tax - on everything.... a consumption tax at a base percentage rate.

Get rid of the income tax

It is something you pay as you go. Politicians aren't able to hide a tax hike in the Byzantine tax code, so they will have much more immediate pain at the ballot box... the torches and pitchforks will come out

No more income tax evasion

No more IRS hanky panky

Tax attorneys won't like it, though

The problem is that the higher the sales tax rate is, the more "under the table" business will be conducted, especially from flimsy businesses like comic book and tee-shirt shops, and the like. And it is a difficult thing to catch.

CAA Flagship wrote:

CID1990 wrote:I'm ALL FOR sales tax - on everything.... a consumption tax at a base percentage rate.

Get rid of the income tax

It is something you pay as you go. Politicians aren't able to hide a tax hike in the Byzantine tax code, so they will have much more immediate pain at the ballot box... the torches and pitchforks will come out

No more income tax evasion

No more IRS hanky panky

Tax attorneys won't like it, though

The problem is that the higher the sales tax rate is, the more "under the table" business will be conducted, especially from flimsy businesses like comic book and tee-shirt shops, and the like. And it is a difficult thing to catch.

So...we should stick with something that's broken? Why can't we try something new?

CAA Flagship wrote:

CID1990 wrote:I'm ALL FOR sales tax - on everything.... a consumption tax at a base percentage rate.

Get rid of the income tax

It is something you pay as you go. Politicians aren't able to hide a tax hike in the Byzantine tax code, so they will have much more immediate pain at the ballot box... the torches and pitchforks will come out

No more income tax evasion

No more IRS hanky panky

Tax attorneys won't like it, though

The problem is that the higher the sales tax rate is, the more "under the table" business will be conducted, especially from flimsy businesses like comic book and tee-shirt shops, and the like. And it is a difficult thing to catch.

Correct

Though I doubt very seriously the loss of revenue from that type of fraud will rival the losses from our current tax code which provides thousands of loopholes, voids in the international banking system which allows for the squirreling away of billions of unreported dollars, and good old fashioned working off the books that goes on under the current system

Ibanez wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: The problem is that the higher the sales tax rate is, the more "under the table" business will be conducted, especially from flimsy businesses like comic book and tee-shirt shops, and the like. And it is a difficult thing to catch.

So...we should stick with something that's broken? Why can't we try something new?

You fix the PART that is broken, which is Income Tax.

CID1990 wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: The problem is that the higher the sales tax rate is, the more "under the table" business will be conducted, especially from flimsy businesses like comic book and tee-shirt shops, and the like. And it is a difficult thing to catch.

Correct

Though I doubt very seriously the loss of revenue from that type of fraud will rival the losses from our current tax code which provides thousands of loopholes, voids in the international banking system which allows for the squirreling away of billions of unreported dollars, and good old fashioned working off the books that goes on under the current system

I don't disagree. But higher sales tax will promote more under the table transactions.
I think the balance is fine, but clearly the income tax code needs adjustments.

CAA Flagship wrote:

Ibanez wrote:
So...we should stick with something that's broken? Why can't we try something new?

You fix the PART that is broken, which is Income Tax.

Well I'm also a proponent of a flat tax, but that idea is also always DOA


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CID1990 wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:
You fix the PART that is broken, which is Income Tax.

Well I'm also a proponent of a flat tax, but that idea is also always DOA


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The devil is in the details, but yeah, on the surface it sounds like a good idea (with a few considerations such as charitable contributions).

CID1990 wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:
You fix the PART that is broken, which is Income Tax.

Well I'm also a proponent of a flat tax, but that idea is also always DOA


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But a sales tax is regressive! The progtards will never go along with it. Hurts the poor worse than the rich, etc. Liz Warren will blow a gasket. Which is a good thing.

Ivytalk wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Well I'm also a proponent of a flat tax, but that idea is also always DOA


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But a sales tax is regressive! The progtards will never go along with it. Hurts the poor worse than the rich, etc. Liz Warren will blow a gasket. Which is a good thing.

I've always wondered about that. The rich will still buy things (and probably continue to buy more expensive things). The poor, having to pay their share for the society they live in will of course pay more money (b/c they aren't paying income tax now). Perhaps there can be some refund at the end of the year if you live below the poverty line.

Ibanez wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: But a sales tax is regressive! The progtards will never go along with it. Hurts the poor worse than the rich, etc. Liz Warren will blow a gasket. Which is a good thing.

I've always wondered about that. The rich will still buy things (and probably continue to buy more expensive things). The poor, having to pay their share for the society they live in will of course pay more money (b/c they aren't paying income tax now). Perhaps there can be some refund at the end of the year if you live below the poverty line.

I also wonder how a national sales tax will impact states like Texas and Florida that have higher state sales taxes to make up for not having an income tax???

Col Hogan wrote:

Ibanez wrote: I've always wondered about that. The rich will still buy things (and probably continue to buy more expensive things). The poor, having to pay their share for the society they live in will of course pay more money (b/c they aren't paying income tax now). Perhaps there can be some refund at the end of the year if you live below the poverty line.

I also wonder how a national sales tax will impact states like Texas and Florida that have higher state sales taxes to make up for not having an income tax???

Texas and Florida would actually be in better shape than other states.

The other states would have to adjust because they would also lose their income tax (they all rely on the IRS).

Other states would be raising their sales taxes to Texas and Florida levels (or higher).

Grover Norquist's daughter's $35 guitar would quickly turn into a $50 guitar.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:
I also wonder how a national sales tax will impact states like Texas and Florida that have higher state sales taxes to make up for not having an income tax???

Texas and Florida would actually be in better shape than other states.

The other states would have to adjust because they would also lose their income tax (they all rely on the IRS).

Other states would be raising their sales taxes to Texas and Florida levels (or higher).

Grover Norquist's daughter's $35 guitar would quickly turn into a $50 guitar.

True. Another irony we've all ignored: he published this crap on the internet- which wouldn't exist if it weren't for tax payer money


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Simple solution: List prices with taxes added. The distributive property of arithmatic means the taxes on a group of items is the same as the sum of taxes you'd pay on each item alone.