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2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:20 am
by Ivytalk
Just started Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign. Should be a ripsnorter! Almost all the sources are campaign insiders who spoke on condition of anonymity. They're still scared of the vengeful old bitch.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:32 am
by Skjellyfetti
Ivytalk wrote:who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Fake News! Sad!

Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:40 am
by Ivytalk
Skjellyfetti wrote:Ivytalk wrote:who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Fake News! Sad!

Well, AJ, it was either anonymity or no book. I'm looking forward to reading how atrocious a candidate she was.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:57 am
by Ibanez
Ivytalk wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:
Fake News! Sad!

Well, AJ, it was either anonymity or no book. I'm looking forward to reading how atrocious a candidate she was.
- Spoiler: show
- She's terrible.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:06 am
by Grizalltheway
Ivytalk wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:
Fake News! Sad!

Well, AJ, it was either anonymity or no book. I'm looking forward to reading how atrocious a candidate she was.
You done pulled a BDK, IT.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:33 am
by CitadelGrad
Ivytalk wrote:Just started Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign. Should be a ripsnorter! Almost all the sources are campaign insiders who spoke on condition of anonymity. They're still scared of the vengeful old bitch.
Don't skip to the last chapter to see how it ends.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:37 am
by CID1990
CitadelGrad wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Just started Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign. Should be a ripsnorter! Almost all the sources are campaign insiders who spoke on condition of anonymity. They're still scared of the vengeful old bitch.
Don't skip to the last chapter to see how it ends.
I was about to ask
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:31 pm
by Ivytalk
CitadelGrad wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Just started Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign. Should be a ripsnorter! Almost all the sources are campaign insiders who spoke on condition of anonymity. They're still scared of the vengeful old bitch.
Don't skip to the last chapter to see how it ends.
No, I thrive on drama ( no homo). I will read every page with undisguised glee.
My guess is that she still loses.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:34 am
by Ivytalk
Almost halfway through Shattered. It's very good: the authors are fair and balanced. Lots of interesting stuff about both Bernie and Hildabeast that I didn't know before.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:10 am
by Ibanez
Ivytalk wrote:Almost halfway through Shattered. It's very good: the authors are fair and balanced. Lots of interesting stuff about both Bernie and Hildabeast that I didn't know before.
Yeah? Like what?
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:06 pm
by Pwns
Ivytalk wrote:Just started Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign. Should be a ripsnorter! Almost all the sources are campaign insiders who spoke on condition of anonymity. They're still scared of the vengeful old bitch.
Anonymous sources don't count when they speak about how much Hillary mistreats the white house staff or has contempt for the secret service.
They only count when it's something about Trump.

Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:21 pm
by Ivytalk
Ibanez wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Almost halfway through Shattered. It's very good: the authors are fair and balanced. Lots of interesting stuff about both Bernie and Hildabeast that I didn't know before.
Yeah? Like what?
Buy the book, you cheapskate!

Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:17 pm
by Col Hogan
I just downloaded "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg to read on my upcoming road trip...
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:18 pm
by Grizalltheway
Col Hogan wrote:I just downloaded "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg to read on my upcoming road trip...
Heard about that one on Rush last week!
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:34 pm
by Col Hogan
Grizalltheway wrote:Col Hogan wrote:I just downloaded "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg to read on my upcoming road trip...
Heard about that one on Rush last week!
You really need to stop listening to him...he's affecting your health...
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:14 pm
by CID1990
Col Hogan wrote:I just downloaded "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg to read on my upcoming road trip...
It isn't fascism.
It's Maoism
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Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:36 am
by Ivytalk
Well, I finished Shattered last week. The authors are clearly Donks, so it was a more sympathetic portrait of Hildabitch than I expected. A few themes emerged: (1) Hillary never could articulate a persuasive rationale for people to vote for her; (2) her campaign staff, riven by infighting, relied too much on "analytics" and not enough on retail politics, particularly in the key swing states; (3) Hillary ignored working class white men who had supported Obama, favoring an appeal to women and minorities that helped her against Sanders but doomed her in the general; (4) Hildabeast grossly underestimated Trump ; and (5) she never accepted even partial blame for her own defeat.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:52 am
by Ibanez
Ivytalk wrote:Well, I finished Shattered last week. The authors are clearly Donks, so it was a more sympathetic portrait of Hildabitch than I expected. A few themes emerged: (1) Hillary never could articulate a persuasive rationale for people to vote for her; (2) her campaign staff, riven by infighting, relied too much on "analytics" and not enough on retail politics, particularly in the key swing states; (3) Hillary ignored working class white men who had supported Obama, favoring an appeal to women and minorities that helped her against Sanders but doomed her in the general; (4) Hildabeast grossly underestimated Trump ; and (5) she never accepted even partial blame for her own defeat.
Points 3-5 were painfully obvious from just watching that dumpster fire of a campaign and its aftermath.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:54 am
by Ibanez
Found this of $2 in an old bookstore.
I've visited his home in NYC and have some knowledge about him, but so far it's quite fascinating. I'm only 1 chapter in (Birth to 1870). What an impressive mind this guy had.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:00 am
by Grizalltheway
Ibanez wrote:Found this of $2 in an old bookstore.
I've visited his home in NYC and have some knowledge about him, but so far it's quite fascinating. I'm only 1 chapter in (Birth to 1870).
What an impressive mind this guy had.
They don't make Republicans like him anymore.
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:46 am
by CID1990
Grizalltheway wrote:Ibanez wrote:Found this of $2 in an old bookstore.
I've visited his home in NYC and have some knowledge about him, but so far it's quite fascinating. I'm only 1 chapter in (Birth to 1870).
What an impressive mind this guy had.
They don't make Republicans like him anymore.
Sure they do.
Now they're just libertarians and they're completely unelectable.
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Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:54 am
by Skjellyfetti
Teddy Roosevelt? Libertarian?
Teddy Roosevelt wrote:There once was a time in history when the limitation of governmental power meant increasing liberty for the people. In the present day the limitation of governmental power, of governmental action, means the enslavement of the people by the great corporations, who can only be held in check through the extension of governmental power.
Libertarian is quickly becoming a word that has lost all meaning like "literally", "ironic", and "covfefe."
Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:02 am
by CID1990
I forgot you're desperately checking my posts for a win
For your benefit, I'll say that people today who would most closely resemble conservatives like T Roosevelt, are libertarians. He was a big government guy in a day when many people did not understand that all bureaucratic creep builds on the bureaucratic creep that came before it.
He wasn't a libertarian.
The people today who would most closely resemble him are libertarians.
And like Kennedy or Reagan, he wouldn't sniff a nomination
Is that parsed out enough for you, Nancy?
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Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:17 am
by Grizalltheway
CID1990 wrote:
I forgot you're desperately checking my posts for a win
For your benefit, I'll say that people today who would most closely resemble conservatives like T Roosevelt, are libertarians. He was a big government guy in a day when many people did not understand that all bureaucratic creep builds on the bureaucratic creep that came before it.
He wasn't a libertarian.
The people today who would most closely resemble him are libertarians.
And like Kennedy or Reagan, he wouldn't sniff a nomination
Is that parsed out enough for you, Nancy?
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So was I wrong to say they don't make Republicans like him anymore?

Re: 2017 Poli/History Summer Reading List
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:19 am
by CID1990
Grizalltheway wrote:CID1990 wrote:
I forgot you're desperately checking my posts for a win
For your benefit, I'll say that people today who would most closely resemble conservatives like T Roosevelt, are libertarians. He was a big government guy in a day when many people did not understand that all bureaucratic creep builds on the bureaucratic creep that came before it.
He wasn't a libertarian.
The people today who would most closely resemble him are libertarians.
And like Kennedy or Reagan, he wouldn't sniff a nomination
Is that parsed out enough for you, Nancy?
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So was I wrong to say they don't make Republicans like him anymore?

Not really
smh