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The Election was a repudiation of the Left
I strongly encourage everybody to listen to this seriously

The election was won and lost in just a handful of states.
He gave no evidence that he isolated his research and interviewing to people from those states to form his opinion. I wish he was more specific.

Trump won because people hate Republicans and Democrats

[quote="CAA Flagship"]The election was won and lost in just a handful of states.
quote]

Isn't that really the case in most elections, especially since 1992? But I don't think the reasons for people in a particular state to vote for someone are really that different in a different state. The only difference is the distribution of people in one state versus a next. Democrats and Republicans, or those who lean towards those definitions, vote the same in California as they do in Wyoming. It's just that there are a lot more Dems in California and there are a lot more Repubs in Wyoming compared to the other sides. The states that are battleground states are that way because neither side has a significant majority.

GannonFan wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:The election was won and lost in just a handful of states.
quote]

Isn't that really the case in most elections, especially since 1992? But I don't think the reasons for people in a particular state to vote for someone are really that different in a different state. The only difference is the distribution of people in one state versus a next. Democrats and Republicans, or those who lean towards those definitions, vote the same in California as they do in Wyoming. It's just that there are a lot more Dems in California and there are a lot more Repubs in Wyoming compared to the other sides. The states that are battleground states are that way because neither side has a significant majority.

Yes, but the topic was why Trump "won". Winning and losing the last election boiled down to the majority of votes in just a handful of states. It doesn't matter what the majority in Oregon or Alabama thought.
Football games are won and lost for a variety of reasons that sometimes boil down to one particular aspect (turnovers, for example), despite how each overall team played.

Chizzang wrote:The Election was a repudiation of the Left
I strongly encourage everybody to listen to this seriously

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Nothing but crickets from the Palouse???

klam is either fishing or playing golf.

Baldy wrote:

Chizzang wrote:The Election was a repudiation of the Left
I strongly encourage everybody to listen to this seriously

phpBB [video]

Nothing but crickets from the Palouse???

klam is either fishing or playing golf.

I wish!

My good friend, Chizzang, really likes Sam Harris. I'm trying my hardest to like him, but at first blush this still seems like more of him defending his stance on Islam rather than why Hillary lost.

For instance, does Sam or Chizzy realize Hillary isn't a liberal? Or that she was perhaps the most unlikable and untruthful candidate in History?

kalm wrote:

Baldy wrote:
Nothing but crickets from the Palouse???

klam is either fishing or playing golf.

I wish!

My good friend, Chizzang, really likes Sam Harris. I'm trying my hardest to like him, but at first blush this still seems like more of him defending his stance on Islam rather than why Hillary lost.

For instance, does Sam or Chizzy realize Hillary isn't a liberal? Or that she was perhaps the most unlikable and untruthful candidate in History?

Well if you actually listened to this clip in it's entirety
You'll notice he mentions her dishonesty in about 3 different ways

Also he mentions (and you ignore)
that charges of racism are claimed against ANYBODY who thinks BLM or college militants are wrong

Your inability to assess and filter three or four simultaneous ideas is duly noted
Islamism (your trigger) is only PART of what's being talked about here
He touches on a range of issues

Chizzang wrote:

kalm wrote:
I wish!

My good friend, Chizzang, really likes Sam Harris. I'm trying my hardest to like him, but at first blush this still seems like more of him defending his stance on Islam rather than why Hillary lost.

For instance, does Sam or Chizzy realize Hillary isn't a liberal? Or that she was perhaps the most unlikable and untruthful candidate in History?

Well if you actually listened to this clip in it's entirety
You'll notice he mentions her dishonesty in about 3 different ways

Also he mentions (and you ignore)
that charges of racism are claimed against ANYBODY who thinks BLM or college militants are wrong

Your inability to assess and filter three or four simultaneous ideas is duly noted
Islamism (your trigger) is only PART of what's being talked about here
He touches on a range of issues

I'm with you and Sam on the BLM, militant leftists, and militant muslims. I'm just not an extremist on these topics yet. Ha! Get it?

Also important to note that I haven't been accused of racism.

But I'll watch it again and see if I missed something.

To quote Sam...'And what bothered me the most all along was the left's inability to talk about Islam, terrorism, and the European refugee crisis' as he shows images of Affleck and Reza Azlan...

kalm wrote:To quote Sam...'And what bothered me the most all along was the left's inability to talk about Islam, terrorism, and the European refugee crisis' as he shows images of Affleck and Reza Azlan...

It's not his video its from his podcast
The Youtube video is by some other dude stealing audio from his podcast

You should subscribe to his podcast
He's pretty much all that and a bag of chips

The root of Harris's schtick is his hostility to organized religion-- Islam probably at the head of his shyt list. That's why Smug Prick regards him as an oracle. I find him tiresome.

Ivytalk wrote:The root of Harris's schtick is his hostility to organized religion-- Islam probably at the head of his shyt list. That's why Smug Prick regards him as an oracle. I find him tiresome.

The dangers of brainwashing
He's pretty sick and tired of the Liberal stupidity also
He seems more balanced to me than he gets credit for - every kind of ill conceived group think is fair game

The problem with that analysis is that there was a very credible poll by a very credible polling organization taken just before the election that repudiates it. I've written about it before. It's the Seltzer & Company poll that had Clinton up 3 in the popular vote (http://i.imgur.com/AiC0ac1.jpg). One of only 6 A+ rated polling organizations as rated by 538. And obviously 3 is very close to the actual final margin of 2.1.

That poll asked the question:

Hypothetically, if the general election were held today, and the candidates were [Donald Trump for the
Republicans] and [Barack Obama if he were allowed to run for a third term for the Democrats], for whom
would you vote?

The result was 53 percent saying they would vote for Obama and 41 percent saying they would vote for Trump. A 12 percentage point margin. Obama beat McCain by 7.2 percentage points in the popular vote. He beat Romney by 3.9 percentage points.

Notably, the same respondents who favored Clinton by only 3 over Trump favored Obama by 12 over the same guy. If the problem was a repudiation of the left in general, why was that the case? If people were so upset over the way Obama approached Islam, why is it that this poll that was very close to the actual outcome had Obama crushing Trump worse than he beat McCain and Romney?

Again: The problem was that the Democrats had a candidate that had all sorts of issues including being under FBI investigation. So many issues that even as bad a candidate as Trump was able to beat her.

There was a thing in there about how some people who voted for Obama voted for Trump this time. I think the results of that Seltzer & Company poll suggest that most of those people would've voted for Obama AGAIN if he'd been running.

JohnStOnge wrote:The problem with that analysis is that there was a very credible poll by a very credible polling organization taken just before the election that repudiates it. I've written about it before. It's the Seltzer & Company poll that had Clinton up 3 in the popular vote (http://i.imgur.com/AiC0ac1.jpg). One of only 6 A+ rated polling organizations as rated by 538. And obviously 3 is very close to the actual final margin of 2.1.

That poll asked the question:

Hypothetically, if the general election were held today, and the candidates were [Donald Trump for the
Republicans] and [Barack Obama if he were allowed to run for a third term for the Democrats], for whom
would you vote?

The result was 53 percent saying they would vote for Obama and 41 percent saying they would vote for Trump. A 12 percentage point margin. Obama beat McCain by 7.2 percentage points in the popular vote. He beat Romney by 3.9 percentage points.

Notably, the same respondents who favored Clinton by only 3 over Trump favored Obama by 12 over the same guy. If the problem was a repudiation of the left in general, why was that the case? If people were so upset over the way Obama approached Islam, why is it that this poll that was very close to the actual outcome had Obama crushing Trump worse than he beat McCain and Romney?

Again: The problem was that the Democrats had a candidate that had all sorts of issues including being under FBI investigation. So many issues that even as bad a candidate as Trump was able to beat her.

There was a thing in there about how some people who voted for Obama voted for Trump this time. I think the results of that Seltzer & Company poll suggest that most of those people would've voted for Obama AGAIN if he'd been running.

Boom!

And it's not as if Obama wasn't bombing the shit out of ISIS or...sitting back while Bahrain brutalized a democratic uprising or Saudi Arabia was bombing the shit out of Yemeni fisherman.

But yes, Trump was rhetorically tougher...

Here's some clarification on balanced
He uses Milo to make his point

BTW, I also think that it's important to remember that Trump got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Mitt Romney did. The Republican side won because we have the Electoral College system and they were able to win by very slim margins in three States they don't normally win. But, overall, more people voted for the Democrat.

This was not like some massive popular rejection of the "left." Conservatives who think it was are kidding themselves.

Chizzang wrote:Here's some clarification on balanced
He uses Milo to make his point

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He's absolutely spot on about one thing that I think about frequently -

With most people, if you know where they stand on one hot button issue, you can fairly predict where they fall on the others

It leads to a serious lack of consistency of logic and clear thought-

Case in point: the Women's March organizers also being jihad sympathizers if not jihadists in fact

But people who think like this guy are pariahs in all camps

It is like being stateless

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Here's some clarification on balanced
He uses Milo to make his point

phpBB [video]

He's absolutely spot on about one thing that I think about frequently -

With most people, if you know where they stand on one hot button issue, you can fairly predict where they fall on the others

It leads to a serious lack of consistency of logic and clear thought-

Case in point: the Women's March organizers also being jihad sympathizers if not jihadists in fact

But people who think like this guy are pariahs in all camps

It is like being stateless

Agreed,



Sam Harris wants to talk about any idea and see if it stands up under simple scrutiny
Isolate each specific point and let it stand or fall on it's own merits

Which is generally regarded as crazy talk around here

Don't know squat about Sam Harris. Probably wouldn't agree with him on a lot of issues. But I think he has this one dead on right!

I never thought I would say this, but I wish George Carlin was still around.

OL FU wrote:Don't know squat about Sam Harris. Probably wouldn't agree with him on a lot of issues. But I think he has this one dead on right!

The guy has no comfortable landing spot today

Liberals dislike him because he calls out the absurdity of BLM and Militant Social Justice
Liberals also dislike him because he has a common sense view on the 2nd amendment and gun violence
Liberals hate him because he holds Islam accountable for it's violence and it's broken dogma

Conservatives dislike him because he asks simple questions about their Religion
and because he thinks Ideologies need to "own their lunatic fringe" and deal with it
Conservatives dislike him because he argues the end-game of the Pro-Life movement
is insane and completely disconnected from reality



Everybody hates him

Chizzang wrote:

OL FU wrote:Don't know squat about Sam Harris. Probably wouldn't agree with him on a lot of issues. But I think he has this one dead on right!

The guy has no comfortable landing spot today

Liberals dislike him because he calls out the absurdity of BLM and Militant Social Justice
Liberals also dislike him because he has a common sense view on the 2nd amendment and gun violence
Liberals hate him because he holds Islam accountable for it's violence and it's broken dogma

Conservatives dislike him because he asks simple questions about their Religion
and because he thinks Ideologies need to "own their lunatic fringe" and deal with it
Conservatives dislike him because he argues the end-game of the Pro-Life movement
is insane and completely disconnected from reality



Everybody hates him

Having no comfortable landing spot in today's America could be worn as a badge of honor.

kalm wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

The guy has no comfortable landing spot today

Liberals dislike him because he calls out the absurdity of BLM and Militant Social Justice
Liberals also dislike him because he has a common sense view on the 2nd amendment and gun violence
Liberals hate him because he holds Islam accountable for it's violence and it's broken dogma

Conservatives dislike him because he asks simple questions about their Religion
and because he thinks Ideologies need to "own their lunatic fringe" and deal with it
Conservatives dislike him because he argues the end-game of the Pro-Life movement
is insane and completely disconnected from reality



Everybody hates him

Having no comfortable landing spot in today's America could be worn as a badge of honor.

I wear it like a beer foam mustache

CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Having no comfortable landing spot in today's America could be worn as a badge of honor.

I wear it like a beer foam mustache