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I started a new thread for this because I noticed something I hadn't noticed before when watching a report on how the Democrat margin among union household members in 2016 was much smaller than it was in 2012. Obama beat Romney 18 percentage points among union household members while Clinton only beat Trump by 9 percentage points among some people.

But here's the thing: It was MUCH more a matter of people voting third party rather than the Democrat than it was an increase for the Republican candidate. Obama beat Romney by 58% to 40% among union household members. That accounts for 98% of the vote among that group going to one of the two major party candidates.

In 2012 Clinton beat Trump by 51% to 42% among union household members. Note that the Republicans didn't do all that much better. 42% vs. 40%. But we went from having 98% of union household members voting for one of the two major party candidates in 2012 to 93% in 2016.

It wasn't as much union household members switching to Republican as it was union household members NOT voting for the Democrat and instead voting for neither of the major party candidates.

So basically, even lefty union households voted (or didn't vote) for economic concerns

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Unions are modern day dinosaurs.


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But here's the thing: It was MUCH more a matter of people voting third party rather than the Democrat than it was an increase for the Republican candidate. Obama beat Romney by 58% to 40% among union household members. That accounts for 98% of the vote among that group going to one of the two major party candidates.

In the meantime 2012 Clinton beat Trump by 51% to 42% among union household members. Note that the Republicans didn't do all that much better. 42% vs. 40%. But we went from having 98% of union household members voting for one of the two major party candidates in 2012 to 93% in 2016.

It wasn't as much union household members switching to Republican as it was union household members NOT voting for the Democrat and instead voting for neither of the major party candidates.[/quote]


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The union vote isn't even worth courting anymore.

ECONOMY

CAA Flagship wrote:ECONOMY

Yep

Absotively no doubt about it

CID1990 wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:ECONOMY

Yep

Absotively no doubt about it

JSO is finally beginning to come around.

I know you guys are jerking my chain but I'll go ahead and say: No, I do not interpret the fact that it wasn't Union household member switching to the Republican but rather was Union household members opting not to vote for EITHER major party candidate that reduced the margin for Democrats among such people as meaning the economy was, on balance, a factor favoring the Republican during this past election.

It simply wasn't. The economy issue, on balance, favored the Democratic candidate. And it favored the Democratic candidate more in 2016 than it did in 2012. That's not hard to figure out since it favored the Republican candidate in 2012 then switched to favoring the Democrat in 2016.

JohnStOnge wrote:I know you guys are jerking my chain but I'll go ahead and say: No, I do not interpret the fact that it wasn't Union household member switching to the Republican but rather was Union household members opting not to vote for EITHER major party candidate that reduced the margin for Democrats among such people as meaning the economy was, on balance, a factor favoring the Republican during this past election.

It simply wasn't. The economy issue, on balance, favored the Democratic candidate. And it favored the Democratic candidate more in 2016 than it did in 2012. That's not hard to figure out since it favored the Republican candidate in 2012 then switched to favoring the Democrat in 2016.

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