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US Ambassador picks

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:25 pm
by CID1990
I've noticed that around the Foggy Bottom halls there hasn't been a lot of criticism of Trump's picks for Ambassadorships

Partly (probably) because they are pretty good. I haven't seen actual numbers yet, but it seems like there are more career types and less political contributors. Less than with the last three admins for sure. Yes, Callista Gingrich is AMB to the Holy See, but that's relatively insignificant.

Generally speaking, people with real policy chops are getting the nod, like the nominee to go to Berlin (he's gay, too):

https://diplopundit.net/2017/09/05/form ... o-germany/

There are things happening outside the limelight that are at least relatively encouraging. It might be that Americans really don't care that much about who goes to London or Berlin (foreign policy only matters in election years). Perhaps if they DID pay attention, we'd be getting Sarah Palin or Ted Nugent - so maybe it is a good thing


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Re: US Ambassador picks

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:32 pm
by Col Hogan
Doesn't the Conservative, Christian negate the Gay...

Re: US Ambassador picks

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:38 pm
by CAA Flagship
Col Hogan wrote:Doesn't the Conservative, Christian negate the Gay...
Say what? :lol:

Re: US Ambassador picks

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:44 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Thought this was a bit of a surprising statement from Tillerson
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was so disturbed by the clash of protesters in Charlottesville that he made a policy decision he may have to reverse: In a speech at the State Department on August 19, he repudiated hatred and racism before addressing what he called “a great diversity gap” in employment and ambassadorships. He meant that there are too few employees and ambassadors who are “diverse” on account of their race, or ethnicity, or sex, or sexual orientation. He did not say how many of this or that diversity group the department needed among its employees or ambassadors to be sufficiently diverse. Tillerson’s point was simply that there must be more.

How to get more? Tillerson said there would be changes in the process used to recruit and hire employees and choose ambassadorships. The most important of those changes concerns ambassador selection.

“Every time we have an opening for an ambassador position, at least one of the candidates must be a minority candidate,” he said. Tillerson seemed to mean candidates who are black and Hispanic, but not Asian or other racial and ethnic minorities. The new policy could result in discrimination against a non-preferred minority candidate. Necessarily it will result in discrimination against someone lacking the “right” race or ethnicity but who is better qualified than the diversity candidate included in the competition for a particular ambassadorship.

Federal civil rights law and the Constitution would not seem to permit racial preferences in the selection of ambassadors and department employees. Someone needs to tell that to Tillerson. Perhaps Attorney General Sessions could do so.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/why-does- ... le/2009539

Re: US Ambassador picks

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:47 pm
by Col Hogan
CAA Flagship wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:Doesn't the Conservative, Christian negate the Gay...
Say what? :lol:
SJWs usually rule a gay, or a black, or a woman a non-member of that group if said person also claims to be Chrisiian and Conservative, as Ambassador-designee Richard Grenell is...

Re: US Ambassador picks

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:11 pm
by CID1990
Skjellyfetti wrote:Thought this was a bit of a surprising statement from Tillerson
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was so disturbed by the clash of protesters in Charlottesville that he made a policy decision he may have to reverse: In a speech at the State Department on August 19, he repudiated hatred and racism before addressing what he called “a great diversity gap” in employment and ambassadorships. He meant that there are too few employees and ambassadors who are “diverse” on account of their race, or ethnicity, or sex, or sexual orientation. He did not say how many of this or that diversity group the department needed among its employees or ambassadors to be sufficiently diverse. Tillerson’s point was simply that there must be more.

How to get more? Tillerson said there would be changes in the process used to recruit and hire employees and choose ambassadorships. The most important of those changes concerns ambassador selection.

“Every time we have an opening for an ambassador position, at least one of the candidates must be a minority candidate,” he said. Tillerson seemed to mean candidates who are black and Hispanic, but not Asian or other racial and ethnic minorities. The new policy could result in discrimination against a non-preferred minority candidate. Necessarily it will result in discrimination against someone lacking the “right” race or ethnicity but who is better qualified than the diversity candidate included in the competition for a particular ambassadorship.

Federal civil rights law and the Constitution would not seem to permit racial preferences in the selection of ambassadors and department employees. Someone needs to tell that to Tillerson. Perhaps Attorney General Sessions could do so.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/why-does- ... le/2009539
Why?

He ran Exxon Mobil pretty much the same way.


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Re: US Ambassador picks

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:24 am
by houndawg
CID1990 wrote:I've noticed that around the Foggy Bottom halls there hasn't been a lot of criticism of Trump's picks for Ambassadorships

Partly (probably) because they are pretty good. I haven't seen actual numbers yet, but it seems like there are more career types and less political contributors. Less than with the last three admins for sure. Yes, Callista Gingrich is AMB to the Holy See, but that's relatively insignificant.

Generally speaking, people with real policy chops are getting the nod, like the nominee to go to Berlin (he's gay, too):

https://diplopundit.net/2017/09/05/form ... o-germany/

There are things happening outside the limelight that are at least relatively encouraging. It might be that Americans really don't care that much about who goes to London or Berlin (foreign policy only matters in election years). Perhaps if they DID pay attention, we'd be getting Sarah Palin or Ted Nugent - so maybe it is a good thing


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Judging by his cabinet, the policy chops were accidental. :coffee:

Re: US Ambassador picks

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:41 am
by CID1990
houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:I've noticed that around the Foggy Bottom halls there hasn't been a lot of criticism of Trump's picks for Ambassadorships

Partly (probably) because they are pretty good. I haven't seen actual numbers yet, but it seems like there are more career types and less political contributors. Less than with the last three admins for sure. Yes, Callista Gingrich is AMB to the Holy See, but that's relatively insignificant.

Generally speaking, people with real policy chops are getting the nod, like the nominee to go to Berlin (he's gay, too):

https://diplopundit.net/2017/09/05/form ... o-germany/

There are things happening outside the limelight that are at least relatively encouraging. It might be that Americans really don't care that much about who goes to London or Berlin (foreign policy only matters in election years). Perhaps if they DID pay attention, we'd be getting Sarah Palin or Ted Nugent - so maybe it is a good thing


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Judging by his cabinet, the policy chops were accidental. :coffee:
Like klam, you dont read too carefully



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Re: US Ambassador picks

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:40 am
by GannonFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:Thought this was a bit of a surprising statement from Tillerson
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was so disturbed by the clash of protesters in Charlottesville that he made a policy decision he may have to reverse: In a speech at the State Department on August 19, he repudiated hatred and racism before addressing what he called “a great diversity gap” in employment and ambassadorships. He meant that there are too few employees and ambassadors who are “diverse” on account of their race, or ethnicity, or sex, or sexual orientation. He did not say how many of this or that diversity group the department needed among its employees or ambassadors to be sufficiently diverse. Tillerson’s point was simply that there must be more.

How to get more? Tillerson said there would be changes in the process used to recruit and hire employees and choose ambassadorships. The most important of those changes concerns ambassador selection.

“Every time we have an opening for an ambassador position, at least one of the candidates must be a minority candidate,” he said. Tillerson seemed to mean candidates who are black and Hispanic, but not Asian or other racial and ethnic minorities. The new policy could result in discrimination against a non-preferred minority candidate. Necessarily it will result in discrimination against someone lacking the “right” race or ethnicity but who is better qualified than the diversity candidate included in the competition for a particular ambassadorship.

Federal civil rights law and the Constitution would not seem to permit racial preferences in the selection of ambassadors and department employees. Someone needs to tell that to Tillerson. Perhaps Attorney General Sessions could do so.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/why-does- ... le/2009539
Neither of those sentences are correct based on what Tillerson said. All he said is that for every opening at least one of the candidates must be a minority. Doesn't mean that the minority will get hired, and it doesn't mean at all that a less qualified person will "necessarily" be hired. Sloppy journalism in that piece. Basically, Tillerson is saying they should have the "Rooney Rule" that the NFL uses. And yet, somehow the Eagles still hired Doug Pederson who has no other credential than the fact that he knew Andy Reid.

Re: US Ambassador picks

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:50 am
by kalm
CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Judging by his cabinet, the policy chops were accidental. :coffee:
Like klam, you dont read too carefully



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