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Has anyone asked yet why Franken seems to be getting something of a free pass, while Conyers is being vilified? I could understand it if the left were going after someone on the right who had screwed up, but BOTH of these poor schmucks are Donkeys....

Well Conyers is black

even though it is a mortal sin against the church of womyn to say so, some harrassment/assault is more egregious than others

did I mention Conyers is black and white people like Pelosi are inherently racist?

and

If it is politically possible to keep your guy in office, then you will do so

Plus Conyers is black


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CID1990 wrote:Well Conyers is black

even though it is a mortal sin against the church of womyn to say so, some harrassment/assault is more egregious than others

did I mention Conyers is black and white people like Pelosi are inherently racist?

and

If it is politically possible to keep your guy in office, then you will do so

Plus Conyers is black


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Ah yes...the Dems are the REAL racists bit...

There's a difference between playing grab ass and tickle fanny and asking a subordinate to touch it. They're both wrong but I'd rather see make some distinctions than lump everything in the same rapey box.

Next thing ya know, attending the sirens crab feed in face paint will be considered stalking/sexual misconduct.

Probably the same reason football coaches are less likely to suspend the all-conference defensive end than the second-string safety.

kalm wrote:

CID1990 wrote:Well Conyers is black

even though it is a mortal sin against the church of womyn to say so, some harrassment/assault is more egregious than others

did I mention Conyers is black and white people like Pelosi are inherently racist?

and

If it is politically possible to keep your guy in office, then you will do so

Plus Conyers is black


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Ah yes...the Dems are the REAL racists bit...

There's a difference between playing grab ass and tickle fanny and asking a subordinate to touch it. They're both wrong but I'd rather see make some distinctions than lump everything in the same rapey box.

Next thing ya know, attending the sirens crab feed in face paint will be considered stalking/sexual misconduct.

you know

I was being 100% sarcastic and ironical

Not expecting anyone to be triggered

yet here you are


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I think Franken should resign if he really cares about the causes he espouses but, at least as far as I have heard, his transgressions do not involve people who worked for him. Conyers' transgressions involve people who work for him. If you want to try to find a difference that may be one.

Again, though: I can't believe Franken just won't go ahead and resign. Well, I guess I can believe it because I see that sort of thing a lot. I guess I should say that I don't understand why people in situations like that can't step outside of the situation and see the light.

CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Ah yes...the Dems are the REAL racists bit...

There's a difference between playing grab ass and tickle fanny and asking a subordinate to touch it. They're both wrong but I'd rather see make some distinctions than lump everything in the same rapey box.

Next thing ya know, attending the sirens crab feed in face paint will be considered stalking/sexual misconduct.

you know

I was being 100% sarcastic and ironical

Not expecting anyone to be triggered

yet here you are


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Oh...sorry. My bad I guess.

Fire them both. Why should these guys get a pass when private enterprise people get booted? Says some more about government corruption.


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Jjoey52 wrote:Fire them both. Why should these guys get a pass when private enterprise people get booted? Says some more about government corruption.

Do you give Trump a pass? Or no?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Jjoey52 wrote:Fire them both. Why should these guys get a pass when private enterprise people get booted? Says some more about government corruption.

Do you give Trump a pass? Or no?

Fair question. No side has the high moral ground on this one.

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My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?


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Jjoey52 wrote:My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?


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Good questions. I don't think we know where the line is yet. For some offenses there should be no "I was young" defense. I get making mistakes as a kid but IMO you should know better by your mid 20s.

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Well for starters, the congressional rule that was set up to shield these assholes from scrutiny and pay settlements out of taxpayer dollars needs to be done away with. Note- that wouldn't change Franken's position.

I get the idea behind wanting to protect duly elected public servants from frivolous complaints, but at the end of the day these critters have enough immunities and privileges as it is. I say that at the very least, no more tax funded settlements, and complaints are subject to FOIA. Don't like it? Don't be a congresscritter. Teachers, cops, doctors and all kinds of public trust types work under these conditions.

My arguments against term limits are dwindling down to zero


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CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Ah yes...the Dems are the REAL racists bit...

There's a difference between playing grab ass and tickle fanny and asking a subordinate to touch it. They're both wrong but I'd rather see make some distinctions than lump everything in the same rapey box.

Next thing ya know, attending the sirens crab feed in face paint will be considered stalking/sexual misconduct.

you know

I was being 100% sarcastic and ironical

Not expecting anyone to be triggered

yet here you are


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There's another reason to be here?

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
you know

I was being 100% sarcastic and ironical

Not expecting anyone to be triggered

yet here you are


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There's another reason to be here?

Sure

Sometimes I post what Im really thinking

(which is usually sarcastic)


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Jjoey52 wrote:My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?


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You should know better in your 20s. As to what crosses the line - maybe forcing yourself upon someone or a sexual quid pro quo....maybe anything that is or could be as unethical, immoral, illegal is crossing a line.

I don't know.. is it really that difficult to keep your hands to yourself and not pressure anyone into sexual activity?

Ibanez wrote:

Jjoey52 wrote:My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?


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You should know better in your 20s. As to what crosses the line - maybe forcing yourself upon someone or a sexual quid pro quo....maybe anything that is or could be as unethical, immoral, illegal is crossing a line.

I don't know.. is it really that difficult to keep your hands to yourself and not pressure anyone into sexual activity?

Agreed - this isn't something that turning 30 or 40 all of sudden "matures" you. This kind of behavior isn't even suitable for a high school dance when kids are 14-18 years old. If you're still behaving in your 20's and 30's the way you behaved in high school then this is just the tip of the iceberg for the problems you have.

CID1990 wrote:Well for starters, the congressional rule that was set up to shield these assholes from scrutiny and pay settlements out of taxpayer dollars needs to be done away with. Note- that wouldn't change Franken's position.

I get the idea behind wanting to protect duly elected public servants from frivolous complaints, but at the end of the day these critters have enough immunities and privileges as it is. I say that at the very least, no more tax funded settlements, and complaints are subject to FOIA. Don't like it? Don't be a congresscritter. Teachers, cops, doctors and all kinds of public trust types work under these conditions.

My arguments against term limits are dwindling down to zero


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There’s only one argument left: term limits are enacted by the guvmint and are ergo bad.

Jjoey52 wrote:My question is how far back do you go? Someone in their 20s and 30s when they did this stuff may have matured and grown out of it by their 60s. Also, what exactly crosses the line and what kind of roof is needed?


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There is absolutely no indication that Trump has "matured and grown out" of anything. The latest allegation of sexual misconduct by Trump involves a 2013 incident. Meanwhile any sensible person can see that Trump has the emotional stability and maturity of something like a 10 year old.

Do not get the idea I am defending Trump or anyone else. But some sexual harassment is greater than other. When a person gets to touching, groping and other physical stuff it seems that is greater than a stupid inappropriate joke. Also, I have learned when a person is a sex offender multiple claims are likely.


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Jjoey52 wrote:Do not get the idea I am defending Trump or anyone else. But some sexual harassment is greater than other. When a person gets to touching, groping and other physical stuff it seems that is greater than a stupid inappropriate joke. Also, I have learned when a person is a sex offender multiple claims are likely.


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Trump has been accused of groping and other physical stuff. And there are multiple claims.

Plus he pretty much validated the claims with his own statements on that Access Hollywood video.

It's just ridiculous that anybody voted for the guy. If you voted for him you should be ashamed of yourself.