Trump Tariffs = Tax Hike on all

[AZGrizFan]

Is it a good move? On the surface, probably not. Probably even deep down also.
But it's about time other countries get called out for the bullshit they pull at an ever(more ) increasing rate. Just like the NATO thing where countries were not making the AGREED UPON investments in their defense and instead diverting it to their economy.

And now Germany cannot field enough tanks to fulfill their exercise and readiness obligations

Which is why it is necessary for us to pull out of NATO - or at least demand that member nations pull their weight

Here's some food for thought-

How many people have we heard on this very forum - complaining about our military industrial complex and military spending - and those same people weigh in against the suggestion that we should leave NATO?

The same logic applies here - you cant complain about Wal Mart undercutting everybody and becoming the cheap sh1t Borg while wanting to protect trade structures that allow it to happen


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Not me. I complain about our military budget/spending AND I want out of NATO AND out of the UN.

[CAA Flagship]

You know what I'm talking about. We've never had a "they don't know what the hell they're doing" reputation like we have now with the election of Trump.

Talk to a professional poker player and he will tell you that they hate playing against non-professionals. Reason being is that their range of play is much wider and unpredictable. That is the Trump administration. They are difficult to read, and they can exploit you as easily as they can be exploited.

[Ibanez]

Is it a good move? On the surface, probably not. Probably even deep down also.
But it's about time other countries get called out for the bullshit they pull at an ever(more ) increasing rate. Just like the NATO thing where countries were not making the AGREED UPON investments in their defense and instead diverting it to their economy.

I agree. This is just the beginning. When the levee breaks, we'll see how many of these countries which depend on America, will put up or shut up.

[SeattleGriz]

Don't know if this has been said, but Trump keeps beating this to show how everyone sidesteps NAFTA.

China currently has 6% of the aluminum in the World sitting in Mexico. Why, so they can build something in Mexico with it and then bring it over to America.

Who would you rather deal with as far as business to gain access to America? America or Mexico?

Trump keeps pointing out NAFTAs flaw.

[SeattleGriz]

Where is all the Canadian steel that is produced by Canada? There isn't much, because they purchase Chinese raw material and then make it in Canada.

Another way to sidestep NAFTA.

[Skjellyfetti]

Canada has quite a lot of iron.

I don't know what percentage of their steel is made from native iron - but, they have similar iron deposits to the US.

[Ibanez]

Canada has quite a lot of iron.

I don't know what percentage of their steel is made from native iron - but, they have similar iron deposits to the US.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/01/news/ec ... index.html

Trump will implement the tariffs under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act, a little-known trade law from 1962. To do that, Trump must claim that steel and aluminum imports hurt the country's national security.

Canada - a national security threat.

The US imports the most steel — 16% — from Canada. It imports 13% from Brazil, 10% from South Korea, 9% from Mexico and 9% from Russia, according to a Department of Commerce report from December 2017. China clocks in at number 11.

In terms of value, Canada, South Korea and Mexico are the top three exporters to the US.

The top five countries from which the United States imported aluminum in 2017 were Canada, China, Russia, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, according to Panjiva, a global trade research firm recently acquired by S&P Global.

[SeattleGriz]

Canada has quite a lot of iron.

I don't know what percentage of their steel is made from native iron - but, they have similar iron deposits to the US.

Canada isn't in the top 10. Not sure where they should be, just a link.

https://www.worldsteel.org/media-centre ... -2017.html

Watch. With a name like World Steel, the site turns out to be propaganda!!

[BDKJMU]

Canada has quite a lot of iron.

I don't know what percentage of their steel is made from native iron - but, they have similar iron deposits to the US.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/01/news/ec ... index.html

Trump will implement the tariffs under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act, a little-known trade law from 1962. To do that, Trump must claim that steel and aluminum imports hurt the country's national security.

Canada - a national security threat.

The US imports the most steel — 16% — from Canada. It imports 13% from Brazil, 10% from South Korea, 9% from Mexico and 9% from Russia, according to a Department of Commerce report from December 2017. China clocks in at number 11.

In terms of value, Canada, South Korea and Mexico are the top three exporters to the US.

The top five countries from which the United States imported aluminum in 2017 were Canada, China, Russia, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, according to Panjiva, a global trade research firm recently acquired by S&P Global.

I think it could be argued that if you can't produce domestically with US steel everything you would need for a large scale conventional war (ships, tanks, planes, vehicles, missiles, bombs, ammo, etc, etc) it could be a threat to national security no matter where you had to import from, even Canada..

[CID1990]

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/01/news/ec ... index.html
Canada - a national security threat.

I think it could be argued that if you can't produce domestically with US steel everything you would need for a large scale conventional war (ships, tanks, planes, vehicles, missiles, bombs, ammo, etc, etc) it could be a threat to national security no matter where you had to import from, even Canada..

I see you

using The Force, young Padawan




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[Ibanez]

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/01/news/ec ... index.html
Canada - a national security threat.

I think it could be argued that if you can't produce domestically with US steel everything you would need for a large scale conventional war (ships, tanks, planes, vehicles, missiles, bombs, ammo, etc, etc) it could be a threat to national security no matter where you had to import from, even Canada..

You seriously have no sense of humor.

[JohnStOnge]

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/01/news/ec ... index.html
Canada - a national security threat.

I think it could be argued that if you can't produce domestically with US steel everything you would need for a large scale conventional war (ships, tanks, planes, vehicles, missiles, bombs, ammo, etc, etc) it could be a threat to national security no matter where you had to import from, even Canada..

Maybe you could at least make the argument. But we all know Trump isn't doing this because of concern over national security. He's basically lying again. Shocker.

[BDKJMU]

I think it could be argued that if you can't produce domestically with US steel everything you would need for a large scale conventional war (ships, tanks, planes, vehicles, missiles, bombs, ammo, etc, etc) it could be a threat to national security no matter where you had to import from, even Canada..

Maybe you could at least make the argument. But we all know Trump isn't doing this because of concern over national security. He's basically lying again. Shocker.

I think he #1 wants leverage with Mexcico & Canada to get a better deal out of NAFTA, and is using the threat of tarriffs to do it. But he can't openly say that. So he's citing this Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act, claiming that steel and aluminum imports hurt the country's national security. And that isn't a lie if we couldn't produce all that we needed for a large scale conventional war.

[houndawg]

Okay Mr. Smoot. I'll check you in on the "support Trump" column on this one. I'm sure it will all end up just fine.

This can't be a long term game we play - long term and lasting trade barriers have always proven to be a detriment to long term economic growth. Scare the rest of the world and get a better bargaining position is one thing - heading down the path of Fortress America when it comes to trade is something else.

Question: Given that we're now one of the largest oil producers in the world and could easily live on the oil we pump, is there ANYTHING on the planet that we don't have enough of inside our own borders?

Plutonium, maybe?

rare earth elements

[houndawg]

Bauxite (main source of aluminum)
Most Rare-earth minerals

No worries, the Aussies are one of the biggest suppliers of bauxite and they still like us. Still good feelings over the "Crocodile Dundee" films.

I see you haven't talked to many Australians recently.

[houndawg]

Yet they are light-years less naive, feckless and arrogant than Trump.


Clinton/Obama screwed up in Libya. When will our country ever learn that trying to force democracy on countries not ready is a recipe for disaster (Bush-Iraq, Obama-Libya)

Jon Jon Jon

Your defense of the Obama admin is cute, and even noble loyalty in the face of the body of work and facts to the contrary

In the short term the Obama fp writ large was a fumbling, make it up as you go fiasco- arrogant because the only plan was "we're smart and oh did we mention we're not Bush"

In the long term they were no different from Bush or Bill Clinton in terms of short sightedness and overall decline of US credibility in the world


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old news, we've picked up the pace since then

[houndawg]

No

Evermore

A battle was fought there once


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Zeppelin references always work for me.

I refused to pay $6 to see them at Kezar Stadium back in the day. Damned if I was going to pay that to see a junkie play guitar sloppily when I could see a better band with a better guitarist for $3 and an hour closer. (Alvin Lee/Ten Years After)

[93henfan]

Zeppelin references always work for me.

I refused to pay $6 to see them at Kezar Stadium back in the day. Damned if I was going to pay that to see a junkie play guitar sloppily when I could see a better band with a better guitarist for $3 and an hour closer. (Alvin Lee/Ten Years After)

In your defense, Page was a famished, H-sweats mess by the late 70s. Could still wield that axe though.

[Ivytalk]

Maybe you could at least make the argument. But we all know Trump isn't doing this because of concern over national security. He's basically lying again. Shocker.

I think he #1 wants leverage with Mexcico & Canada to get a better deal out of NAFTA, and is using the threat of tarriffs to do it. But he can't openly say that. So he's citing this Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act, claiming that steel and aluminum imports hurt the country's national security. And that isn't a lie if we couldn't produce all that we needed for a large scale conventional war.

Jeezus, BDK. Are you Sarah Sanders in drag?

[houndawg]

I refused to pay $6 to see them at Kezar Stadium back in the day. Damned if I was going to pay that to see a junkie play guitar sloppily when I could see a better band with a better guitarist for $3 and an hour closer. (Alvin Lee/Ten Years After)

In your defense, Page was a famished, H-sweats mess by the late 70s. Could still wield that axe though.

This was the early 70s and I liked led Zeppelin a lot but TYA was better.

[kalm]

In your defense, Page was a famished, H-sweats mess by the late 70s. Could still wield that axe though.

This was the early 70s and I liked led Zeppelin a lot but TYA was better.

I’ve also heard Robin Trower was an under the radar wizard.

[houndawg]

This was the early 70s and I liked led Zeppelin a lot but TYA was better.

I’ve also heard Robin Trower was an under the radar wizard.

he wasn't really under the radar, everybody knew who he was from his time with Procul Harum

[dbackjon]

BREAKING: President Trump’s top economic adviser Gary Cohn has resigned just hours after President Trump insisted there was no “chaos” at the White House and “everybody” wanted to work there.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... hite-house

[CID1990]

I’ve also heard Robin Trower was an under the radar wizard.

he wasn't really under the radar, everybody knew who he was from his time with Procul Harum

When you play guitar and your band's most iconic song doesn't feature guitar, you're under the radar.


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[JohnStOnge]

"Bridge of Sighs" was one of my favorite 8 track tapes then cassette tapes then CDs ever. I used to love to get high while driving and listen to that.

The guitar stuff that starts at about 1 minute into "Little Bit of Sympathy" and continues through about 1:50 is one of my favorite guitar things ever. Really, really good when you're huffing pot.

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