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A Southern Baptist adviser to President Donald Trump says it is “absolutely ludicrous” to call Trump’s evangelical supporters hypocrites for standing by the president amid allegations that he had an adulterous relationship with an adult film star.

“Evangelicals know they are not compromising their beliefs in order to support this great president,” Robert Jeffress, pastor of the 12,000-member First Baptist Church in Dallas, said March 8 on Fox News.

Jeffress predicted a lawsuit by porn star Stormy Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford and who is seeking to void a nondisclosure agreement about their relationship made days before the 2016 election, would do little to erode Trump’s evangelical base.

“Evangelicals still believe in the commandment: Thou shalt not have sex with a porn star,” Jeffress said. “However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him.”

Jeffress, a spiritual adviser to the president who prayed at Trump rallies during his campaign, said evangelicals “knew they weren’t voting for an altar boy” when they cast their ballots in 2016.

“We supported him because of his policies and his strong leadership,” Jeffress said, citing Tuesday’s announcement that Trump will meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in May as the latest example.

“Evangelicals understand the concept of sin and forgiveness,” Jeffress said. “We are all sinners. We all need forgiveness. That forgiveness is available through Christ for anyone who asks. Whether the president needs that forgiveness for this particular allegation, whether he’s asked for it, is between him, his family and his God.”



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JohnStOnge wrote:And it's more than just something like screwing a porn star while his wife is at home taking care of their new child. He lies all the time. He's got a long history of conning people. He's got a long history of cheating people. And there is absolutely nothing to indicate that he's changed.

kalm wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:And it's more than just something like screwing a porn star while his wife is at home taking care of their new child. He lies all the time. He's got a long history of conning people. He's got a long history of cheating people. And there is absolutely nothing to indicate that he's changed.

Are you still describing Trump or are you describing evangelical ministers, catholic priests, and the sort?

93henfan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Are you still describing Trump or are you describing evangelical ministers, catholic priests, and the sort?

I think he's describing politicians.

kalm wrote:

93henfan wrote:
I think he's describing politicians.

Could be...and most of them are lawyers.

Boom...in in your face IT!

(An attorney who attended seminary school and later becomes a politician is probably some sort of super human that cannot be defeated)

TheDancinMonarch wrote:

kalm wrote:
Could be...and most of them are lawyers.

Boom...in in your face IT!

(An attorney who attended seminary school and later becomes a politician is probably some sort of super human that cannot be defeated)

Al Gore! Except he didn't finish law school.

CID1990 wrote:I’m not even sure what this thread is about.

And I never comment on threads when I don’t know something about the subject

This one really has me perturbed... I want to participate, but I’m afraid my IQ might take a hit

93henfan wrote:

CID1990 wrote:I’m not even sure what this thread is about.

And I never comment on threads when I don’t know something about the subject

This one really has me perturbed... I want to participate, but I’m afraid my IQ might take a hit

It makes an assumption that evangelicals were 100% moral before Trump was elected. I could see where that might throw it into logical fallacy land for you.

CID1990 wrote:I’m not even sure what this thread is about.

And I never comment on threads when I don’t know something about the subject

This one really has me perturbed... I want to participate, but I’m afraid my IQ might take a hit

kalm wrote:

93henfan wrote:
I think he's describing politicians.

Could be...and most of them are lawyers.

Boom...in in your face IT!

(An attorney who attended seminary school and later becomes a politician is probably some sort of super human that cannot be defeated)

JohnStOnge wrote:The problem for people like Jeffress is that those looking at White Evangelical Christians from the outside know damn well that if a Democrat acted like Trump they would be apoplectic. They'd be saying character matters in a President and there is no way a thoroughly dishonest atrocity like that should be in the office.

And it's more than just something like screwing a porn star while his wife is at home taking care of their new child. He lies all the time. He's got a long history of conning people. He's got a long history of cheating people. And there is absolutely nothing to indicate that he's changed.

People like Jeffress can say they're not hypocrites until their blue in the face but everybody's still going to recognize them as what they are: Hypocrites.

HI54UNI wrote:

CID1990 wrote:I’m not even sure what this thread is about.

And I never comment on threads when I don’t know something about the subject

This one really has me perturbed... I want to participate, but I’m afraid my IQ might take a hit

I think it's about trying to get JSO to understand why his wife pulled the lever for Trump when she got in the voting booth.

93henfan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Are you still describing Trump or are you describing evangelical ministers, catholic priests, and the sort?

I think he's describing politicians.

JohnStOnge wrote:

93henfan wrote:
I think he's describing politicians.

Trump is way above and beyond the normal range displayed by politicians. He's way more dishonest. He's got way more of a history of cheating people. He is way more of a bald faced and obvious serial liar.

I know that's part of the schtick to say, "All politicians are like that."

No. They're not. Trump is beyond the pale even in the context of what politicians are like.

And that's been actually documented by multiple fact checking efforts. But, of course, the Trump zombies claim the fact checkers aren't reliable. But they are. Not perfect. But the basic picture they present is true. Trump is WAY worse than other politicians when it comes to making false statements.

And there aren't a whole lot of politicians, if any, who have the history of stiffing people they made agreements with that Trump has. Or doing something as cheesy as that Trump University scam.

No, it's not a "typical politician" thing. It's way worse.

JohnStOnge wrote:

93henfan wrote:
I think he's describing politicians.

Trump is way above and beyond the normal range displayed by politicians. He's way more dishonest. He's got way more of a history of cheating people. He is way more of a bald faced and obvious serial liar.

I know that's part of the schtick to say, "All politicians are like that."

No. They're not. Trump is beyond the pale even in the context of what politicians are like.

And that's been actually documented by multiple fact checking efforts. But, of course, the Trump zombies claim the fact checkers aren't reliable. But they are. Not perfect. But the basic picture they present is true. Trump is WAY worse than other politicians when it comes to making false statements.

And there aren't a whole lot of politicians, if any, who have the history of stiffing people they made agreements with that Trump has. Or doing something as cheesy as that Trump University scam.

No, it's not a "typical politician" thing. It's way worse.

JohnStOnge wrote:

93henfan wrote:
I think he's describing politicians.

Trump is way above and beyond the normal range displayed by politicians. He's way more dishonest. He's got way more of a history of cheating people. He is way more of a bald faced and obvious serial liar.

I know that's part of the schtick to say, "All politicians are like that."

No. They're not. Trump is beyond the pale even in the context of what politicians are like.

And that's been actually documented by multiple fact checking efforts. But, of course, the Trump zombies claim the fact checkers aren't reliable. But they are. Not perfect. But the basic picture they present is true. Trump is WAY worse than other politicians when it comes to making false statements.

And there aren't a whole lot of politicians, if any, who have the history of stiffing people they made agreements with that Trump has. Or doing something as cheesy as that Trump University scam.

No, it's not a "typical politician" thing. It's way worse.

kalm wrote:It's Sunday and millions of people are filling churches because they like to follow.

JohnStOnge wrote:

93henfan wrote:
I think he's describing politicians.

Trump is way above and beyond the normal range displayed by politicians. He's way more dishonest. He's got way more of a history of cheating people. He is way more of a bald faced and obvious serial liar.

I know that's part of the schtick to say, "All politicians are like that."

No. They're not. Trump is beyond the pale even in the context of what politicians are like.

And that's been actually documented by multiple fact checking efforts. But, of course, the Trump zombies claim the fact checkers aren't reliable. But they are. Not perfect. But the basic picture they present is true. Trump is WAY worse than other politicians when it comes to making false statements.

And there aren't a whole lot of politicians, if any, who have the history of stiffing people they made agreements with that Trump has. Or doing something as cheesy as that Trump University scam.

No, it's not a "typical politician" thing. It's way worse.

andy7171 wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
Trump is way above and beyond the normal range displayed by politicians. He's way more dishonest. He's got way more of a history of cheating people. He is way more of a bald faced and obvious serial liar.

I know that's part of the schtick to say, "All politicians are like that."

No. They're not. Trump is beyond the pale even in the context of what politicians are like.

And that's been actually documented by multiple fact checking efforts. But, of course, the Trump zombies claim the fact checkers aren't reliable. But they are. Not perfect. But the basic picture they present is true. Trump is WAY worse than other politicians when it comes to making false statements.

And there aren't a whole lot of politicians, if any, who have the history of stiffing people they made agreements with that Trump has. Or doing something as cheesy as that Trump University scam.

No, it's not a "typical politician" thing. It's way worse.

Where does Hillary fall in comparison?

89Hen wrote:

kalm wrote:It's Sunday and millions of people are filling churches because they like to follow.

I prayed for you Sunday. Hope it helps.

kalm wrote:

89Hen wrote: I prayed for you Sunday. Hope it helps.

Thanks, I need all the help I can get!