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We trust apps and cloud technology with our money, social security numbers, birthday, names, addresses, phone numbers, driver licenses, passport information and soooo much more. Why not with our 1 vote?
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Bye bye CA, hello Texas
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Missed my point. I was laughing at the “easily auditable” part.
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My bad, buddy.
But that's a feature. We have the technology. We can do it.
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Signed into law today. I predict brisk sales of existing equipment and further exacerbation of Cali's electrical woes.
On the flip side, I bet alot of no maintenance yards will be going in. Should help with their water shortages.
BTW: No commercial lawn care company is riding around in a $2k mower. At that price, it is a residential unit.
On the flip side, I bet alot of no maintenance yards will be going in. Should help with their water shortages.
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/10/11 ... ry-n421595The new law will require all such products to be “zero-emission” so they will only be allowed to be sold if they run off batteries or can be plugged in. As to the ambiguity of the date of enactment, a study is currently taking place to determine the impact this will have on small businesses. Newsom wants to see the rule in place by January 1, 2024, or “as soon as regulators determine is ‘feasible,’ whichever date is later.”
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So how feasible is it? According to trade associations representing lawn care companies (the vast majority of which are small businesses), it’s not feasible at all. They note that battery-powered riding lawnmowers cost, on average, twice as much as the ones using internal combustion engines. Making matters worse, the battery models are only half as efficient. They don’t have anywhere near the same range before requiring recharging as you get out of a standard model with one tank of gas. And it takes a lot longer to recharge than it does to refill the fuel tank, so major equipment will be sidelined for far longer.
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The bill includes $30 million to help small businesses make the adjustment, but those same industry representatives say that we’re talking about more than 50,000 businesses in the state. That works out to approximately $600 each. At a quick glance, you will find that a single, larger-model riding mower costs more than $2,000 for a conventional, gas-powered model. The electric versions cost twice as much. And most lawn care companies have to have more than one. This doesn’t even take into account all of the leaf blowers, lawn edgers, and hedge trimmers they use. Offering them $600 to make the transition is an insulting joke.
BTW: No commercial lawn care company is riding around in a $2k mower. At that price, it is a residential unit.
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We've been well on our way to 3rd world status, laws like this certainly will quicken things up.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:54 pm Signed into law today. I predict brisk sales of existing equipment and further exacerbation of Cali's electrical woes.
On the flip side, I bet alot of no maintenance yards will be going in. Should help with their water shortages.
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/10/11 ... ry-n421595The new law will require all such products to be “zero-emission” so they will only be allowed to be sold if they run off batteries or can be plugged in. As to the ambiguity of the date of enactment, a study is currently taking place to determine the impact this will have on small businesses. Newsom wants to see the rule in place by January 1, 2024, or “as soon as regulators determine is ‘feasible,’ whichever date is later.”
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So how feasible is it? According to trade associations representing lawn care companies (the vast majority of which are small businesses), it’s not feasible at all. They note that battery-powered riding lawnmowers cost, on average, twice as much as the ones using internal combustion engines. Making matters worse, the battery models are only half as efficient. They don’t have anywhere near the same range before requiring recharging as you get out of a standard model with one tank of gas. And it takes a lot longer to recharge than it does to refill the fuel tank, so major equipment will be sidelined for far longer.
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The bill includes $30 million to help small businesses make the adjustment, but those same industry representatives say that we’re talking about more than 50,000 businesses in the state. That works out to approximately $600 each. At a quick glance, you will find that a single, larger-model riding mower costs more than $2,000 for a conventional, gas-powered model. The electric versions cost twice as much. And most lawn care companies have to have more than one. This doesn’t even take into account all of the leaf blowers, lawn edgers, and hedge trimmers they use. Offering them $600 to make the transition is an insulting joke.
BTW: No commercial lawn care company is riding around in a $2k mower. At that price, it is a residential unit.
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I have heard rumblings about cutting farmers water supplies and make it state owned. Granted it is only 2.6% total of their GDP (about 50 billion) but it would still be a hefty chunk to gut. Because that is what would happen if one revoked farmers water rights.SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:30 pmWe've been well on our way to 3rd world status, laws like this certainly will quicken things up.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:54 pm Signed into law today. I predict brisk sales of existing equipment and further exacerbation of Cali's electrical woes.
On the flip side, I bet alot of no maintenance yards will be going in. Should help with their water shortages.
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/10/11 ... ry-n421595
BTW: No commercial lawn care company is riding around in a $2k mower. At that price, it is a residential unit.
Only rumors at this point, and in all honestly I have heard them everytime California goes through a drought so it is probably all hot air, but then California has surprised me before.
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As far as I know, farmers can pump as much groundwater as they want. I imagine politicians are trying to regulate that, but the farmers have plenty of money to throw at lobbyists here so should be an interesting fight to watch.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:40 pmI have heard rumblings about cutting farmers water supplies and make it state owned. Granted it is only 2.6% total of their GDP (about 50 billion) but it would still be a hefty chunk to gut. Because that is what would happen if one revoked farmers water rights.
Only rumors at this point, and in all honestly I have heard them everytime California goes through a drought so it is probably all hot air, but then California has surprised me before.
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Yep.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:54 pm Signed into law today. I predict brisk sales of existing equipment and further exacerbation of Cali's electrical woes.
On the flip side, I bet alot of no maintenance yards will be going in. Should help with their water shortages.
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/10/11 ... ry-n421595The new law will require all such products to be “zero-emission” so they will only be allowed to be sold if they run off batteries or can be plugged in. As to the ambiguity of the date of enactment, a study is currently taking place to determine the impact this will have on small businesses. Newsom wants to see the rule in place by January 1, 2024, or “as soon as regulators determine is ‘feasible,’ whichever date is later.”
...
So how feasible is it? According to trade associations representing lawn care companies (the vast majority of which are small businesses), it’s not feasible at all. They note that battery-powered riding lawnmowers cost, on average, twice as much as the ones using internal combustion engines. Making matters worse, the battery models are only half as efficient. They don’t have anywhere near the same range before requiring recharging as you get out of a standard model with one tank of gas. And it takes a lot longer to recharge than it does to refill the fuel tank, so major equipment will be sidelined for far longer.
...
The bill includes $30 million to help small businesses make the adjustment, but those same industry representatives say that we’re talking about more than 50,000 businesses in the state. That works out to approximately $600 each. At a quick glance, you will find that a single, larger-model riding mower costs more than $2,000 for a conventional, gas-powered model. The electric versions cost twice as much. And most lawn care companies have to have more than one. This doesn’t even take into account all of the leaf blowers, lawn edgers, and hedge trimmers they use. Offering them $600 to make the transition is an insulting joke.
BTW: No commercial lawn care company is riding around in a $2k mower. At that price, it is a residential unit.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ?_amp=trueFor example, a gas-powered commercial riding lawn mower costs $7,000 to $11,000, but its zero-emission equivalent costs more than twice that amount, he said.
Another major expense will be batteries. Bray said a three-person landscaping crew will need to carry 30 to 40 fully charged batteries to power its equipment during a full day’s work.
“These companies are going to have to completely retrofit their entire workshops to be able to handle this massive change in voltage so they’re going to be charged every day,” Bray said.
Going to be an awful lot of gas powered equipment sold in Nevada in a few years..
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Yeah, none of these small mom and pop landscaping outfits will comply, especially the ones that employ illegal labor. I'd like to see how exactly this gets enforced, and by who.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:42 pmYep.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:54 pm Signed into law today. I predict brisk sales of existing equipment and further exacerbation of Cali's electrical woes.
On the flip side, I bet alot of no maintenance yards will be going in. Should help with their water shortages.
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/10/11 ... ry-n421595
BTW: No commercial lawn care company is riding around in a $2k mower. At that price, it is a residential unit.https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ?_amp=trueFor example, a gas-powered commercial riding lawn mower costs $7,000 to $11,000, but its zero-emission equivalent costs more than twice that amount, he said.
Another major expense will be batteries. Bray said a three-person landscaping crew will need to carry 30 to 40 fully charged batteries to power its equipment during a full day’s work.
“These companies are going to have to completely retrofit their entire workshops to be able to handle this massive change in voltage so they’re going to be charged every day,” Bray said.
Going to be an awful lot of gas powered equipment sold in Nevada in a few years..
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Yeah, are they going to say to people moving to CA in a few years that they can’t bring their gas powered lawn mover, trimmers, blowers, generators, etc with them?SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:49 amYeah, none of these small mom and pop landscaping outfits will comply, especially the ones that employ illegal labor. I'd like to see how exactly this gets enforced, and by who.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:42 pm Yep.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ?_amp=true
Going to be an awful lot of gas powered equipment sold in Nevada in a few years..
Then again, who in their right mind who isn’t a raging lib would move to CA?
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https://thehill.com/policy/energy-envir ... af-blowers
This is pure feel-good environmentalism that will be loved by Whole Foods liberals who have probably done no yard work in their life.
And what's worse these idiots will shut down Diablo Canyon so people will be running these devices on coal power.
This is pure feel-good environmentalism that will be loved by Whole Foods liberals who have probably done no yard work in their life.
And what's worse these idiots will shut down Diablo Canyon so people will be running these devices on coal power.
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Yep, we’ve been talking about this for the last week.Pwns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:50 pm https://thehill.com/policy/energy-envir ... af-blowers
This is pure feel-good environmentalism that will be loved by Whole Foods liberals who have probably done no yard work in their life.
And what's worse these idiots will shut down Diablo Canyon so people will be running these devices on coal power.
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CA reaps what it sows.
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Can’t call them looters. That would be racist.
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Leaders of the legal marijuana industry in California have told the Governor the industry is about to collapse…
Imagine that…and untaxed and unregulated, freely operating underground industry is doing better than a highly taxed, highly regulated industry…
https://news.yahoo.com/california-pot-c ... 04687.htmlThe letter signed by more than two dozen executives, industry officials and legalization advocates followed years of complaints that the heavily taxed and regulated industry was unable to compete with the widespread illegal economy, where consumer prices are far lower and sales are double or triple the legal business.
Four years after broad legal sales began, “our industry is collapsing,” said the letter, which also was sent to legislative leaders in Sacramento.
Imagine that…and untaxed and unregulated, freely operating underground industry is doing better than a highly taxed, highly regulated industry…
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Shocker.Col Hogan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:46 pm Leaders of the legal marijuana industry in California have told the Governor the industry is about to collapse…
https://news.yahoo.com/california-pot-c ... 04687.htmlThe letter signed by more than two dozen executives, industry officials and legalization advocates followed years of complaints that the heavily taxed and regulated industry was unable to compete with the widespread illegal economy, where consumer prices are far lower and sales are double or triple the legal business.
Four years after broad legal sales began, “our industry is collapsing,” said the letter, which also was sent to legislative leaders in Sacramento.
Imagine that…and untaxed and unregulated, freely operating underground industry is doing better than a highly taxed, highly regulated industry…
"Murder Mountain" Netflix series touches on this a bit (premise of the series is a lot of missing people in Humboldt County). Basically illegal growers back in the day had to make a decision on whether to be legit or not. Lots of the small timers took out loans to pay all the fees and stuff to be legit...
...well big growing operations came in and made the small grower less competitive plus the folks who stayed illegal anyways. Based on the interviews (and common sense of a gubmint touching something and turning it to shit) it seemed like this was always doomed to fail.
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Apparently nobody in California legislature does a cost/benefit analysis on bills before they are introduced.
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/12/18/ ... ry-n436450At least, that was the deal. Enter the California Public Utilities Commission which has apparently decided it’s time to alter the deal. This new plan called Net Metering 3.0 hasn’t been passed yet but is expected to be voted on next month. If it does pass, the state will start charging new solar installations a fee based on the size of their system. The fee is $8 per month for every kW of generating equipment you have installed on the roof. So if you have an 8kW system, you’ll owe SCE an additional $64 per month or over $700 per year. You don’t get anything for that money, it’s basically just a tax on everyone who installs solar equipment.
...
Summing all of this up, anyone looking at installing solar has to add that new costs into the calculation about when they could break even on an install. And in my case it would have moved my break even point from around 10 years to more like 18-20 years. If you assume the system lasts 25 years, there’s still some meager advantage overall but it hardly seems worth it.
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California has been providing a blueprint of the consequences of an actualized progressive wishlist for literally yearsWinterborn wrote:Apparently nobody in California legislature does a cost/benefit analysis on bills before they are introduced.
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/12/18/ ... ry-n436450At least, that was the deal. Enter the California Public Utilities Commission which has apparently decided it’s time to alter the deal. This new plan called Net Metering 3.0 hasn’t been passed yet but is expected to be voted on next month. If it does pass, the state will start charging new solar installations a fee based on the size of their system. The fee is $8 per month for every kW of generating equipment you have installed on the roof. So if you have an 8kW system, you’ll owe SCE an additional $64 per month or over $700 per year. You don’t get anything for that money, it’s basically just a tax on everyone who installs solar equipment.
...
Summing all of this up, anyone looking at installing solar has to add that new costs into the calculation about when they could break even on an install. And in my case it would have moved my break even point from around 10 years to more like 18-20 years. If you assume the system lasts 25 years, there’s still some meager advantage overall but it hardly seems worth it.
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Reality is setting in. The utility is the "storage" for the excess kWh these people are producing. They expect to freeload and not pay anything but still want power at night or other times when the sun isn't shining. Utility companies can't keep doing it forever or they won't have the revenue to maintain their system.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:06 am Apparently nobody in California legislature does a cost/benefit analysis on bills before they are introduced.
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/12/18/ ... ry-n436450At least, that was the deal. Enter the California Public Utilities Commission which has apparently decided it’s time to alter the deal. This new plan called Net Metering 3.0 hasn’t been passed yet but is expected to be voted on next month. If it does pass, the state will start charging new solar installations a fee based on the size of their system. The fee is $8 per month for every kW of generating equipment you have installed on the roof. So if you have an 8kW system, you’ll owe SCE an additional $64 per month or over $700 per year. You don’t get anything for that money, it’s basically just a tax on everyone who installs solar equipment.
...
Summing all of this up, anyone looking at installing solar has to add that new costs into the calculation about when they could break even on an install. And in my case it would have moved my break even point from around 10 years to more like 18-20 years. If you assume the system lasts 25 years, there’s still some meager advantage overall but it hardly seems worth it.
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So they DO get something for it. Just something they were getting for free before. Boy if that ain’t the liberal way.HI54UNI wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:42 pmReality is setting in. The utility is the "storage" for the excess kWh these people are producing. They expect to freeload and not pay anything but still want power at night or other times when the sun isn't shining. Utility companies can't keep doing it forever or they won't have the revenue to maintain their system.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:06 am Apparently nobody in California legislature does a cost/benefit analysis on bills before they are introduced.
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My above statement is a bit tongue in cheek as I know it is complicated and storage has been (and will continue to be) the major issue plaguing "renewable" energy sources (agreeing with your statement). What I find funny is that California would not be in this situation if they had a better electrical grid infrastructure and power generation capabilities. There are also ways of promoting solar without taking away all the incentive of installing it in the first place. Especially in a place that is so suited to solar and has grid problems to start with.HI54UNI wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:42 pmReality is setting in. The utility is the "storage" for the excess kWh these people are producing. They expect to freeload and not pay anything but still want power at night or other times when the sun isn't shining. Utility companies can't keep doing it forever or they won't have the revenue to maintain their system.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:06 am Apparently nobody in California legislature does a cost/benefit analysis on bills before they are introduced.
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A good way to do that is let the solar panel subsidies subside and push battery storage systems with some type of incentive. That way one is not penalizing putting in solar but leaving that portion up to the market, while promoting what they really need, which is storage.
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A very interesting and telling thread. Well worth the read. Some of the comments are just as interesting and telling.
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