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Will congress use legislation to reign in executive power?
Will we see more celebrities and non-career politicians run for president?
Will political parties give their elites and leaders (e.g. "superdelegates") more power to choose the nominee?
Will the norms or strategies of elections and campaigns change?

Pwns wrote:Will congress use legislation to reign in executive power?

Pwns wrote:Will we see more celebrities and non-career politicians run for president?

Yeah, I think this is likely. Could be good in some cases and bad in others.

Pwns wrote:Will political parties give their elites and leaders (e.g. "superdelegates") more power to choose the nominee?

No.

Pwns wrote:Will the norms or strategies of elections and campaigns change?

No.

Well one change is that Trump is setting the bar higher for future Presidents to actually do something that,
1. they promised during their campaigns
2. boost the economy and give people the opportunity to get jobs
3. curtails cheating by other nations

CAA Flagship wrote:Well one change is that Trump is setting the bar higher for future Presidents to actually do something that,
1. they promised during their campaigns
2. boost the economy and give people the opportunity to get jobs
3. curtails cheating by other nations

He didn't boost the economy or increase opportunity to get jobs. If you believe he's done that you've been deceived.

He also hasn't curtailed anything by other nations so far. He's claimed a lot. But what he's actually done is zero.

If you believe he's actually done something you're like the investors who were taken in when he had bulldozers move dirt around to create the impression that work as being done. You're being scammed.

Oh, and BTW, I'd say the most prominent campaign promise he made was that he'd build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. Where are we on that one? Especially the "Mexico will pay for it" part? Last i heard he's threatening to shut done the government unless Congress passes legislation to have us pay for his wall.

JohnStOnge wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:Well one change is that Trump is setting the bar higher for future Presidents to actually do something that,
1. they promised during their campaigns
2. boost the economy and give people the opportunity to get jobs
3. curtails cheating by other nations

He didn't boost the economy or increase opportunity to get jobs. If you believe he's done that you've been deceived.

He also hasn't curtailed anything by other nations so far. He's claimed a lot. But what he's actually done is zero.

If you believe he's actually done something you're like the investors who were taken in when he had bulldozers move dirt around to create the impression that work as being done. You're being scammed.

It's way too early to give Trump credit for anything other than a Tariff War (which I'm actually enjoying)
Beyond that - there's still time for everything to descend into madness



1) He's certainly the most "uninformed" President on record...
2) without question he has the most lies in print


He's like a misinformation factory

And yet my TSP continues to get bigger and bigger and bigger. I hope he keeps sucking like this.

Chizzang wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
He didn't boost the economy or increase opportunity to get jobs. If you believe he's done that you've been deceived.

He also hasn't curtailed anything by other nations so far. He's claimed a lot. But what he's actually done is zero.

If you believe he's actually done something you're like the investors who were taken in when he had bulldozers move dirt around to create the impression that work as being done. You're being scammed.

It's way too early to give Trump credit for anything other than a Tariff War (which I'm actually enjoying)
Beyond that - there's still time for everything to descend into madness



1) He's certainly the most "uninformed" President on record...
2) without question he has the most lies in print


He's like a misinformation factory

He tends to over hype things, but he hasn’t tried to deceive to the extent that “If you like your doctor you can keep him.” like others did.

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Pwns wrote:Will congress use legislation to reign in executive power?

The question is, will Congress finally take back the power it has given to the Executive Branch over the last few decades???

css75 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
It's way too early to give Trump credit for anything other than a Tariff War (which I'm actually enjoying)
Beyond that - there's still time for everything to descend into madness



1) He's certainly the most "uninformed" President on record...
2) without question he has the most lies in print


He's like a misinformation factory

He tends to over hype things, but he hasn’t tried to deceive to the extent that “If you like your doctor you can keep him.” like others did.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

His "Mexico will pay for it" is on par with that.

JohnStOnge wrote:
He didn't boost the economy or increase opportunity to get jobs. If you believe he's done that you've been deceived.

If you haven't received an economic benefit personally since Trump defeated Hillary or haven't seen it around you, I just feel bad for you, you're blind or you just are like the fake news who don't want to give him credit for anything.

My 401(k) has been on overdrive and more people are working and more people are making more money. It's not just the 1%ers - blacks & Hispanic communities are also seeing the growth.

bluehenbillk wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
He didn't boost the economy or increase opportunity to get jobs. If you believe he's done that you've been deceived.

If you haven't received an economic benefit personally since Trump defeated Hillary or haven't seen it around you, I just feel bad for you, you're blind or you just are like the fake news who don't want to give him credit for anything.

My 401(k) has been on overdrive and more people are working and more people are making more money. It's not just the 1%ers - blacks & Hispanic communities are also seeing the growth.

Don't waste your ink. JSO doesn't understand the economy or the importance of it.

bluehenbillk wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
He didn't boost the economy or increase opportunity to get jobs. If you believe he's done that you've been deceived.

If you haven't received an economic benefit personally since Trump defeated Hillary or haven't seen it around you, I just feel bad for you, you're blind or you just are like the fake news who don't want to give him credit for anything.

My 401(k) has been on overdrive and more people are working and more people are making more money. It's not just the 1%ers - blacks & Hispanic communities are also seeing the growth.

Yup...my YTD performance is 9.32%. That's not shabby.

Better than those days in 2008 when it was dropping like a hot potato.

Ibanez wrote:

bluehenbillk wrote:
If you haven't received an economic benefit personally since Trump defeated Hillary or haven't seen it around you, I just feel bad for you, you're blind or you just are like the fake news who don't want to give him credit for anything.

My 401(k) has been on overdrive and more people are working and more people are making more money. It's not just the 1%ers - blacks & Hispanic communities are also seeing the growth.

Yup...my YTD performance is 9.32%. That's not shabby.

Better than those days in 2008 when it was dropping like a hot potato.

And that includes a full recovery from a badly needed correction that started in late January. Trump has this market jumping.

bluehenbillk wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
He didn't boost the economy or increase opportunity to get jobs. If you believe he's done that you've been deceived.

If you haven't received an economic benefit personally since Trump defeated Hillary or haven't seen it around you, I just feel bad for you, you're blind or you just are like the fake news who don't want to give him credit for anything.

My 401(k) has been on overdrive and more people are working and more people are making more money. It's not just the 1%ers - blacks & Hispanic communities are also seeing the growth.

It must be nice to live in the bubble. Most Americans are minimally in the stock market, especially people my age because we're paid less than past generations, have more student loans, can't afford our own homes, and barely have enough at the end of each month to save up for retirement.

But hey, at least your 401K is doing well. Glad you had all those awesome economic opportunities growing up, and nice of you to pull the ladder up behind you. Companies took away pension plans, unions became demonized, inflation outgrew wages and educational costs (the latter by a significant percent), homes stopped being homes and became investment opportunities, and America borrowed against our future.

But again, congrats on your 401K.

∞∞∞ wrote:

bluehenbillk wrote:
If you haven't received an economic benefit personally since Trump defeated Hillary or haven't seen it around you, I just feel bad for you, you're blind or you just are like the fake news who don't want to give him credit for anything.

My 401(k) has been on overdrive and more people are working and more people are making more money. It's not just the 1%ers - blacks & Hispanic communities are also seeing the growth.

It must be nice to live in the bubble. Most Americans are minimally in the stock market, especially people my age because we're paid less than past generations, have more student loans, can't afford our own homes, and barely have enough at the end of each month to save up for retirement.

But hey, at least your 401K is doing well. Glad you had all those awesome economic opportunities growing up, and nice of you to pull the ladder up behind you. Companies took away pension plans, unions became demonized, inflation outgrew wages and educational costs (the latter by a significant percent), homes stopped being homes and became investment opportunities, and America borrowed against our future.

But again, congrats on your 401K.

∞∞∞ wrote:

bluehenbillk wrote:
If you haven't received an economic benefit personally since Trump defeated Hillary or haven't seen it around you, I just feel bad for you, you're blind or you just are like the fake news who don't want to give him credit for anything.

My 401(k) has been on overdrive and more people are working and more people are making more money. It's not just the 1%ers - blacks & Hispanic communities are also seeing the growth.

It must be nice to live in the bubble. Most Americans are minimally in the stock market, especially people my age because we're paid less than past generations, have more student loans, can't afford our own homes, and barely have enough at the end of each month to save up for retirement.

But hey, at least your 401K is doing well. Glad you had all those awesome economic opportunities growing up, and nice of you to pull the ladder up behind you. Companies took away pension plans, unions became demonized, inflation outgrew wages and educational costs (the latter by a significant percent), homes stopped being homes and became investment opportunities, and America borrowed against our future.

But again, congrats on your 401K.

Cry me a freaking river. And yes, I said freaking.

Pension plans have basically been gone for anyone working anytime in the past 30 years. I started working in the early 90's and never had a pension. Get over it. As Clint Eastwood so eloquently said in the movie "Heartbreak Ridge" - adapt, improvise.

Unions? You're relying on a union to do what for you exactly? Unless you're a teacher, then unions don't really do a lot of value today anyway. Workplaces are extremely safe (not perfect, but pretty good), the environment is largely clean (again, not perfect, but infinitely better than 40 years ago) - unions deserve a lot of credit for those improvements. But what are they doing today other than protecting the least common denominator?

Inflation? Seriously, you're complaining about inflation? Do you even know what inflation is? There have been countless threads on here about people spending beyond their means to keep up with what they see as the "required things" to spend on. Spend within your means and it's amazing how much more affordable life is. As for the education part of it, again, cry me a river. People have been talking about how overpriced college has been for more than two decades now. Don't want to be saddled with all that student debt? Then don't get into it to begin with. Either take up a trade or go to a more reasonably priced college, of which there are plenty of them. Kids spending $40k plus a year to get a sociology degree from some private school like Clemson made a bad choice. There are plenty of cheaper options out there that give you the same education.

Homes being too expensive? Again, look around. Maybe you'll need to commute a little farther than you want to (heck, I still drive up to an hour each day in my commute and I've been working almost 25 years), maybe you're looking for a house that you can't afford anyway. I lived in an apartment where bugs came to die for the first several years of my working life (again, not ancient history, we're talking the 90's) with a freight train railroad right next door that had train traffic anytime during a 24 hour period. I didn't move into a McMansion when I graduated college. Suck it up and live somewhere where you can save money and then buy the house you want.

America borrowed against our future??? Seriously, how is the national debt impacting you every day? They had a national debt clock up in Times Square when I was a kid - might still have one somewhere now. It has had zero impact on my working life and will continue to have no impact long after I'm retired a couple of decades from now. Stop being a snowflake and get over it.

Your post is a quintessential piece of whiny, weak-kneed, infantile crap. And again, I said crap. Stop whining and stop looking for people to carry you or your generation. Nothing replaces hard work and smart managing of your life and your own money. Your generational group-think-whine is starting to be farcical. Grow up.

∞∞∞ wrote:

bluehenbillk wrote:
If you haven't received an economic benefit personally since Trump defeated Hillary or haven't seen it around you, I just feel bad for you, you're blind or you just are like the fake news who don't want to give him credit for anything.

My 401(k) has been on overdrive and more people are working and more people are making more money. It's not just the 1%ers - blacks & Hispanic communities are also seeing the growth.

It must be nice to live in the bubble. Most Americans are minimally in the stock market, especially people my age because we're paid less than past generations, have more student loans, can't afford our own homes, and barely have enough at the end of each month to save up for retirement.

But hey, at least your 401K is doing well. Glad you had all those awesome economic opportunities growing up, and nice of you to pull the ladder up behind you. Companies took away pension plans, unions became demonized, inflation outgrew wages and educational costs (the latter by a significant percent), homes stopped being homes and became investment opportunities, and America borrowed against our future.

But again, congrats on your 401K.

I assume this is American workers...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.c ... ement.html

GannonFan wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote: It must be nice to live in the bubble. Most Americans are minimally in the stock market, especially people my age because we're paid less than past generations, have more student loans, can't afford our own homes, and barely have enough at the end of each month to save up for retirement.

But hey, at least your 401K is doing well. Glad you had all those awesome economic opportunities growing up, and nice of you to pull the ladder up behind you. Companies took away pension plans, unions became demonized, inflation outgrew wages and educational costs (the latter by a significant percent), homes stopped being homes and became investment opportunities, and America borrowed against our future.

But again, congrats on your 401K.

Cry me a freaking river. And yes, I said freaking.

Pension plans have basically been gone for anyone working anytime in the past 30 years. I started working in the early 90's and never had a pension. Get over it. As Clint Eastwood so eloquently said in the movie "Heartbreak Ridge" - adapt, improvise.

Unions? You're relying on a union to do what for you exactly? Unless you're a teacher, then unions don't really do a lot of value today anyway. Workplaces are extremely safe (not perfect, but pretty good), the environment is largely clean (again, not perfect, but infinitely better than 40 years ago) - unions deserve a lot of credit for those improvements. But what are they doing today other than protecting the least common denominator?

Inflation? Seriously, you're complaining about inflation? Do you even know what inflation is? There have been countless threads on here about people spending beyond their means to keep up with what they see as the "required things" to spend on. Spend within your means and it's amazing how much more affordable life is. As for the education part of it, again, cry me a river. People have been talking about how overpriced college has been for more than two decades now. Don't want to be saddled with all that student debt? Then don't get into it to begin with. Either take up a trade or go to a more reasonably priced college, of which there are plenty of them. Kids spending $40k plus a year to get a sociology degree from some private school like Clemson made a bad choice. There are plenty of cheaper options out there that give you the same education.

Homes being too expensive? Again, look around. Maybe you'll need to commute a little farther than you want to (heck, I still drive up to an hour each day in my commute and I've been working almost 25 years), maybe you're looking for a house that you can't afford anyway. I lived in an apartment where bugs came to die for the first several years of my working life (again, not ancient history, we're talking the 90's) with a freight train railroad right next door that had train traffic anytime during a 24 hour period. I didn't move into a McMansion when I graduated college. Suck it up and live somewhere where you can save money and then buy the house you want.

America borrowed against our future??? Seriously, how is the national debt impacting you every day? They had a national debt clock up in Times Square when I was a kid - might still have one somewhere now. It has had zero impact on my working life and will continue to have no impact long after I'm retired a couple of decades from now. Stop being a snowflake and get over it.

Your post is a quintessential piece of whiny, weak-kneed, infantile crap. And again, I said crap. Stop whining and stop looking for people to carry you or your generation. Nothing replaces hard work and smart managing of your life and your own money. Your generational group-think-whine is starting to be farcical. Grow up.

Clemson isn't private.


But overall -

GannonFan wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote: It must be nice to live in the bubble. Most Americans are minimally in the stock market, especially people my age because we're paid less than past generations, have more student loans, can't afford our own homes, and barely have enough at the end of each month to save up for retirement.

But hey, at least your 401K is doing well. Glad you had all those awesome economic opportunities growing up, and nice of you to pull the ladder up behind you. Companies took away pension plans, unions became demonized, inflation outgrew wages and educational costs (the latter by a significant percent), homes stopped being homes and became investment opportunities, and America borrowed against our future.

But again, congrats on your 401K.

Cry me a freaking river. And yes, I said freaking.

Pension plans have basically been gone for anyone working anytime in the past 30 years. I started working in the early 90's and never had a pension. Get over it. As Clint Eastwood so eloquently said in the movie "Heartbreak Ridge" - adapt, improvise.

Unions? You're relying on a union to do what for you exactly? Unless you're a teacher, then unions don't really do a lot of value today anyway. Workplaces are extremely safe (not perfect, but pretty good), the environment is largely clean (again, not perfect, but infinitely better than 40 years ago) - unions deserve a lot of credit for those improvements. But what are they doing today other than protecting the least common denominator?

Inflation? Seriously, you're complaining about inflation? Do you even know what inflation is? There have been countless threads on here about people spending beyond their means to keep up with what they see as the "required things" to spend on. Spend within your means and it's amazing how much more affordable life is. As for the education part of it, again, cry me a river. People have been talking about how overpriced college has been for more than two decades now. Don't want to be saddled with all that student debt? Then don't get into it to begin with. Either take up a trade or go to a more reasonably priced college, of which there are plenty of them. Kids spending $40k plus a year to get a sociology degree from some private school like Clemson made a bad choice. There are plenty of cheaper options out there that give you the same education.

Homes being too expensive? Again, look around. Maybe you'll need to commute a little farther than you want to (heck, I still drive up to an hour each day in my commute and I've been working almost 25 years), maybe you're looking for a house that you can't afford anyway. I lived in an apartment where bugs came to die for the first several years of my working life (again, not ancient history, we're talking the 90's) with a freight train railroad right next door that had train traffic anytime during a 24 hour period. I didn't move into a McMansion when I graduated college. Suck it up and live somewhere where you can save money and then buy the house you want.

America borrowed against our future??? Seriously, how is the national debt impacting you every day? They had a national debt clock up in Times Square when I was a kid - might still have one somewhere now. It has had zero impact on my working life and will continue to have no impact long after I'm retired a couple of decades from now. Stop being a snowflake and get over it.

Your post is a quintessential piece of whiny, weak-kneed, infantile crap. And again, I said crap. Stop whining and stop looking for people to carry you or your generation. Nothing replaces hard work and smart managing of your life and your own money. Your generational group-think-whine is starting to be farcical. Grow up.

There’s some truth in this but the reality is our current economic success is based on spending rather than saving for retirement and emergencies. Those chickens might come home to roost someday.

Don't worry, we'll do something about it.

But people like Bluehen and Gannon won't like it because it'll create an equal playing field and make America a fairer nation. They've been milking other Americans for way too long.

∞∞∞ wrote:Don't worry, we'll do something about it.

But you're not going to enjoy it because it'll create an equal playing field and make America a fairer nation. People like Gannon and Bluehen, among others, have been milking other Americans for way too long.

No...I don't think any of that will happen. Unless there's a revolution and a massive upheaval in our government and politics, American was continue BAU.

There are plenty of people in the middle, like me, that hate the socialist left as much as we abhor the evangelical right.

Spoiler: show

But - if you are going to do it, forgive all student loans first. That's the only sore spot I have.

Nothing socialist about making the playing field equal. What's done on the field is up to the players.

∞∞∞ wrote:Don't worry, we'll do something about it.

But people like Bluehen and Gannon won't like it because it'll create an equal playing field and make America a fairer nation. They've been milking other Americans for way too long.

Who is “we”???

∞∞∞ wrote:Nothing socialist about making the playing field equal. What's done on the field is up to the players.

The only thing fair in life...is that it isn't.

And I brought up socialist b/c that seems to be the DNC trend.....well really fascist but you get my meaning.

∞∞∞ wrote:Nothing socialist about making the playing field equal. What's done on the field is up to the players.

Equality of outcome - which is exactly what you are advocating - is one of the cornerstones of the modern (just hasn’t been done right, yet) iteration of “democratic” socialism

None of your pie in the sky dreams come to fruition without coercion of a majority of the population