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I'm wondering as things get squeezed tighter and tighter
will anybody actually turn on Trump to save their career ..?

It's risky because you don't want to jump ship too soon because he's a slippery con-man
and he might wriggle himself off the hook

and you don't want to jump ship too late
because then you have the stink on you as an insider aware of all the fraud



The Secret Service turned on Clinton first... when he was starting to get investigated
Which makes sense

What astounds me is that anybody in the Republican Party with previous credibility even associated themselves with Trump in the first place. Talk about a massive demonstration of zero integrity. If there is justice in the universe they will indeed pay for it.

Chizzang wrote:The Secret Service turned on Clinton first... when he was starting to get investigated
Which makes sense

SS agents were ordered to testify. Which ones "turned" on Clinton? Not trying to disagree or set a trap; I just don't remember that happening.

JohnStOnge wrote:What astounds me is that anybody in the Republican Party with previous credibility even associated themselves with Trump in the first place. Talk about a massive demonstration of zero integrity. If there is justice in the universe they will indeed pay for it.

Interesting. Tell us more!

93henfan wrote:

Chizzang wrote:The Secret Service turned on Clinton first... when he was starting to get investigated
Which makes sense

SS agents were ordered to testify. Which ones "turned" on Clinton? Not trying to disagree or set a trap; I just don't remember that happening.

I believe (and this might just be my old age) that actually a recently retired agent first came forward...



Which I think inspired others to come to his side and defend his statement

I thought Cohen just did?

kalm wrote:I thought Cohen just did?

I'm talking mostly about conservative Politicians presently holding office
but there's room for any conversation here as far as others

For example Paul Ryan

JohnStOnge wrote:What astounds me is that anybody in the Republican Party with previous credibility even associated themselves with Trump in the first place. Talk about a massive demonstration of zero integrity. If there is justice in the universe they will indeed pay for it.

McCain, Flake & Corker? One died and the faithful scared the other two away.

Didn't Romney just get elected to the Senate? He's been pretty critical.

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Some of the Senators deciding not to seek reelection have turned on him to some extent. Mostly with empty words.

But, Flake has been holding up federal judge nominations until the Mueller protection bill gets a vote.

Me thinks that's why Haley stepped away. The stink was getting too much to bear....

Skjellyfetti wrote:Some of the Senators deciding not to seek reelection have turned on him to some extent. Mostly with empty words.

But, Flake has been holding up federal judge nominations until the Mueller protection bill gets a vote.

I thought I read two more confirmed yesterday with Pence breaking the tie.

HI54UNI wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:Some of the Senators deciding not to seek reelection have turned on him to some extent. Mostly with empty words.

But, Flake has been holding up federal judge nominations until the Mueller protection bill gets a vote.

I thought I read two more confirmed yesterday with Pence breaking the tie.

He's holding them up in committee.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/ ... er-1025918

Farr - who Pence broke the tie on - made it out of committee last January.

Flake can prevent a judge from getting out of committee by himself. He can't do it by himself on a full Senate vote.

Skjellyfetti wrote:Some of the Senators deciding not to seek reelection have turned on him to some extent. Mostly with empty words.

But, Flake has been holding up federal judge nominations until the Mueller protection bill gets a vote.

Flake doesn’t know whether to scratch his watch or wind his ass. The Mueller-protection bill he wants the Senate to vote on is probably unconstitutional.

Ivytalk wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:Some of the Senators deciding not to seek reelection have turned on him to some extent. Mostly with empty words.

But, Flake has been holding up federal judge nominations until the Mueller protection bill gets a vote.

Flake doesn’t know whether to scratch his watch or wind his ass. The Mueller-protection bill he wants the Senate to vote on is probably unconstitutional.

That is perfect last name for Flake.


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I'm sure it will be Trump's real estate associates

Since it is his businesses are where the dirt is


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Skjellyfetti wrote:Some of the Senators deciding not to seek reelection have turned on him to some extent. Mostly with empty words.

But, Flake has been holding up federal judge nominations until the Mueller protection bill gets a vote.

Flake is just posturing for his Presidential bid in '20......... against Pence.

Chizzang wrote:

kalm wrote:I thought Cohen just did?

I'm talking mostly about conservative Politicians presently holding office
but there's room for any conversation here as far as others

For example Paul Ryan

Putin will dump his body in a shallow grave behind a rest stop on the Interstate. Ryan will disappear from view for a while for the same reason Z attributed to Haley - trying to let the stink that permeates everybody who gets near Trump wear off.

Chizzang wrote:

kalm wrote:I thought Cohen just did?

I'm talking mostly about conservative Politicians presently holding office
but there's room for any conversation here as far as others

For example Paul Ryan

Ah got ya. Yes, it will be interesting indeed. There are a few who quietly have but it will be much more difficult for those in leadership. Place principle over career? Place country over personal gain?

CID1990 wrote:I'm sure it will be Trump's real estate associates

Since it is his businesses are where the dirt is


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Maybe Don Jr. or Eric will flip if they face time in a poundmeintheazz federal prison.

Ivytalk wrote:

CID1990 wrote:I'm sure it will be Trump's real estate associates

Since it is his businesses are where the dirt is


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Maybe Don Jr. or Eric will flip if they face time in a poundmeintheazz federal prison.

No way. They'd never turn on their dad and he'd never allow them to get in trouble.

AZGrizFan wrote:Me thinks that's why Haley stepped away. The stink was getting too much to bear....

Flake and Haley are both preparing for the primary.

Chizzang wrote:

kalm wrote:I thought Cohen just did?

I'm talking mostly about conservative Politicians presently holding office
but there's room for any conversation here as far as others

For example Paul Ryan

Pence will feast on his carcass if he can avoid getting dragged down by the undertow of the sinking ship..dude is holding his breath and about to piss himself with anticipation..

houndawg wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Me thinks that's why Haley stepped away. The stink was getting too much to bear....

Flake and Haley are both preparing for the primary.

Flake should run as a Democrat. He'd have a better chance in that primary.

CID1990 wrote:I'm sure it will be Trump's real estate associates

Since it is his businesses are where the dirt is


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Selling a condo to a Russian oligarch for more than double the going price is just good bidniz.

AZGrizFan wrote:Me thinks that's why Haley stepped away. The stink was getting too much to bear....

She's thinking if she gets out now and lays low for a couple of years she may still be able to salvage something like a political career..