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BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:10 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:39 am
It is. It just happens to coincide with your political leanings. Nobody is shocked that you are a flip flopping hypocrite on this.

If you're too dense to see there's a big difference between now and 2016, I can't help you.

If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump’s term, and the primary process has started, we’ll wait to the next election,” Graham said at an event hosted by The Atlantic magazine. Reminded that he was speaking on the record, Graham doubled down: “Yeah. Hold the tape.”

On Saturday, Harrison also posted video from a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting in 2016, where Graham declared, “If there’s a Republican president (elected) in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said, ‘Let’s let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination.’”

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:13 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:42 am

You saying we’ve never had a SC justice nominated by one party and confirmed by another???

No. I'm saying the notion that you can't confirm a justice in an election year if the same party controls the White House and the Senate is hogwash.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:51 pm

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:53 am

Leave Trump out of it. He would be doing the job he was elected to do. This solely rests on the Senate.

Harry Reid set this up by getting rid of the filibuster. Now you don't need any buy in from the other side. If the filibuster was in, the Dems wouldn't be sweating this.

The other big difference in ‘16 was a Dem president and R senate. That’s obviously not the case now.

If the shoe were on the other foot, and it was a Dem President and a Dem senate you goddamned know they’d be ramming through another candidate...anyone who says otherwise is 100% full of shit.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:15 am

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:13 am
No. I'm saying the notion that you can't confirm a justice in an election year if the same party controls the White House and the Senate is hogwash.

Yeah - because this time you agree the situation and all those involved. You had no problem being against it when it was a Democratic nominee. But NOW that it's a Republican, you're all for it. That's the only thing that has changed.

BDK - you seem to be the only one unaware of your hyper-partisanship. You're like the alt-right Trip.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:29 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:15 am

Yeah - because this time you agree the situation and all those involved. You had no problem being against it when it was a Democratic nominee. But NOW that it's a Republican, you're all for it. That's the only thing that has changed.

BDK - you seem to be the only one unaware of your hyper-partisanship. You're like the alt-right Trip.

Go back and look up the history of SCOTUS vacancies in election years. I heard this stated yesterday:
When its been a different party controlling the WH and the Senate (8 times), like 2016, every time but 1 you've not had an election yr confirmation.
When its been the same party controlling the WH and the Senate (10 times), like now, every time but 1 you have had an election yr confirmation.

Its not hypocrisy. Its called elections have consequences. If you think the donks wouldn't be doing the same thing if they controlled the WH and Senate, then I have some oceanfront property in AZ to sell you.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:58 am

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:29 am
Go back and look up the history of SCOTUS vacancies in election years. I heard this stated yesterday:
When its been a different party controlling the WH and the Senate (8 times), like 2016, every time but 1 you've not had an election yr confirmation.
When its been the same party controlling the WH and the Senate (10 times), like now, every time but 1 you have had an election yr confirmation.

Its not hypocrisy. Its called elections have consequences. If you think the donks wouldn't be doing the same thing if they controlled the WH and Senate, then I have some oceanfront property in AZ to sell you.

I appreciate you trying to read my mind. Maybe read the post above yours.

You still aren't following the logic. I'm not saying Trump shouldn't nominate someone. In fact - he's got the authority to do so. I had no problem with Obama nominating someone. My problem comes when Republicans say they can't replace a justice so close to an election in 1 year and then 4 years later they say they will and it has everything to do with partisan politics instead of the integrity/capabilities of the candidate or anything else. It's just political flip-flopping.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:58 am My problem comes when Republicans say they can't replace a justice so close to an election in 1 year and then 4 years later they say they will and it has everything to do with partisan politics instead of the integrity/capabilities of the candidate or anything else. It's just political flip-flopping.

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:23 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:58 am My problem comes when Republicans say they can't replace a justice so close to an election in 1 year and then 4 years later they say they will and it has everything to do with partisan politics instead of the integrity/capabilities of the candidate or anything else. It's just political flip-flopping.

There's not a single politician on either side that hasn't done a 180 on this.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:32 am How long until Democrats are quoting Strom Thurmond?

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:36 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:32 am How long until Democrats are quoting Strom Thurmond?

That's one of the funniest things about this situation is the Democrats quoting Republicans and vice versa and then stating that they're not hypocrites but the other side is.

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:20 am

JoltinJoe wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:01 pm

That's because our national government is a federation of the states. The system is designed to prevent larger population masses of certain states from imposing their will on the smaller populations in other states.

All of those aspects of the system which the Democrats want to cast aside -- they exist precisely so the Democrats cannot do the things they want to do.

So you’re agreeing with JSO then? Or was the constitution written specifically with a Democratic Party in mind?

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:55 am Yes! 4D Chess

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:43 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:55 am Yes! 4D Chess

That's some funny shit there.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:17 am

89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:23 am

There's not a single politician on either side that hasn't done a 180 on this.

They're all scum. I keep waiting for someone to have the integrity to admit its politics and they're wrong. I'll keep waiting.


Actually - If a politician did come out and say what we're all thinking then I'd probably have some respect for them.

JoltinJoe wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:35 am

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:20 am

So you’re agreeing with JSO then? Or was the constitution written specifically with a Democratic Party in mind?

How did you get through college?

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:27 am You can even read what Mcconnell had to say back in 2016. He was very clear. There is no hypocrisy here.

Elections have consequences.

Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:53 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:17 am
They're all scum. I keep waiting for someone to have the integrity to admit its politics and they're wrong. I'll keep waiting.


Actually - If a politician did come out and say what we're all thinking then I'd probably have some respect for them.

Don't hold your breath. Politicians haven't changed since the first cave men gathered together and held an election to be the leader.

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:33 pm

JoltinJoe wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:35 am
How did you get through college?

Natural light, a few bong rips, and lots of coffee. Why?

Just asking for clarification from you because you seem to be agreeing with JSO while that those aspects protect the Republicans and imply they were designed as such.

I’d just insult and avoid answering if I were you too.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:31 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:33 pm

Natural light, a few bong rips, and lots of coffee. Why?

Just asking for clarification from you because you seem to be agreeing with JSO while that those aspects protect the Republicans and imply they were designed as such.

I’d just insult and avoid answering if I were you too.

What are you trying to say?

Those measures were put in place to give the smaller population states and their citizens a voice in their government. They might be protecting a more conservative minority from a more liberal majority now but I would hazard a guess that over the course of our nations history they have protected a liberal minority from a conservative majority and that they will do so again in the future. If liberals don't like them, there is a process designed to change them and throwing temper tantrums is not a part of the process.

Question - why are liberals so quick to defend race, gender or (certain) religious minorities but completely willing to throw ideological minorities to the wolves? Shouldn't diversity of thought being celebrated and encouraged?

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:36 pm

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:27 am You can even read what Mcconnell had to say back in 2016. He was very clear. There is no hypocrisy here.

Elections have consequences.

There is.

Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:28 pm Well, Cory Gardner pretty much seals the votes for Republicans. Although, no nominee has been announced... they'll have the votes.

Only solace is that John Roberts has been a fairly moderating influence (at least Trump hasn't nominated the Chief Justice) and that hopefully this seals the fate of ever Blue State Conk Senator up in 2020 and flips enough state legislators to gerrymander the fuck out of as many states as possible.