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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Chizzang » Mon May 13, 2019 10:49 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:We'll likely never grow out of the "Flip-Flop is bad" mentality...
Mostly because the idea of accepting new data and adjusting your thoughts to correlate

at it's core this kind of open rational application of new information is too "science like"
and played out to it's logical end means the death of hardened ideological nonsense

and the world revolves around hardened ideological nonsense
See: Islam and Catholicism

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Changing one’s position isn’t fundamentally bad. It’s just that politicians ONLY do it when it’s politically expedient to do so. Kind of like how all the mainstream dems were all for a wall 5 years ago to stop the “crisis at the border”, but because TRUMP promised a wall, suddenly dems en masse think it’s immoral and inhumane to build a wall. It’s pandering for votes at the basest of levels.....truly pathetic.


I'm pretty sure you're confusing increased border security funding and a 700 mile fence with a wall
but okay

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Mon May 13, 2019 11:51 am

Chizzang wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Changing one’s position isn’t fundamentally bad. It’s just that politicians ONLY do it when it’s politically expedient to do so. Kind of like how all the mainstream dems were all for a wall 5 years ago to stop the “crisis at the border”, but because TRUMP promised a wall, suddenly dems en masse think it’s immoral and inhumane to build a wall. It’s pandering for votes at the basest of levels.....truly pathetic.


I'm pretty sure you're confusing increased border security funding and a 700 mile fence with a wall
but okay

:coffee:


Either way, now the Dems do anything they can to torpedo anything border related, including getting on the "Ban ICE" bandwagon and limiting the # of beds in the detention centers. If it was a crisis 5 years ago, it's a crisis that's never been dealt with and is still a crisis....unless it's not politically expedient to BE a crisis...
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Chizzang » Mon May 13, 2019 12:24 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
I'm pretty sure you're confusing increased border security funding and a 700 mile fence with a wall
but okay

:coffee:


Either way, now the Dems do anything they can to torpedo anything border related, including getting on the "Ban ICE" bandwagon and limiting the # of beds in the detention centers. If it was a crisis 5 years ago, it's a crisis that's never been dealt with and is still a crisis....unless it's not politically expedient to BE a crisis...


The Dems passed the funding bill in 2006
and the extended fence (it was called a fence in the bill) was passed in 2006

so I think that was like 13 years ago

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Mon May 13, 2019 12:45 pm

Chizzang wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Either way, now the Dems do anything they can to torpedo anything border related, including getting on the "Ban ICE" bandwagon and limiting the # of beds in the detention centers. If it was a crisis 5 years ago, it's a crisis that's never been dealt with and is still a crisis....unless it's not politically expedient to BE a crisis...


The Dems passed the funding bill in 2006
and the extended fence (it was called a fence in the bill) was passed in 2006

so I think that was like 13 years ago

:coffee:


There's lots of video of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, et. al., during Obama's presidency wailing on and on about what a crisis it was.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

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A grade A two term schmuck.


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That second term hasn't been one yet.

But it's good to see you'd vote for a schmuck. Why? B/c he isn't a democrat?



Much more than that.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Gil Dobie » Wed May 15, 2019 7:36 am

New interview with Rogan

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Wed May 15, 2019 12:18 pm

Great Reason piece on Biden — the ultimate throwback candidate.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby BDKJMU » Wed May 15, 2019 2:33 pm

"Mark Cuban leaves open possibility of running for president as an independent

....“We’ll see what happens. It would take the perfect storm for me to do it,” the billionaire entrepreneur and Dallas Mavericks owner said. “There’s some things that could open the door, but I’m not projecting or predicting it right now.”...

When asked who on the Democratic side has the best chance of winning, Cuban said “nobody right now.”
“If you look at why people voted for Donald Trump, in my opinion, first and foremost it was because he wasn’t a politician. ”

Cuban said the more than 20 Democratic candidates so far are all politicians. “Politicians are the least trusted of every profession,” he said....

...Cuban said most of the Democratic proposals so far are just “headline porn.” “I don’t think they believe what they’re proposing is passable,” he said. He said most of them include trickle-down taxation, which in his opinion “does not work.”

“I think that trickle-down economics is a failure. I think trickle-down taxation is just as big a failure,” Cuban said.

Cuban isn’t the first billionaire businessman contemplating an independent bid for the White House in 2020. Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz..."
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Wed May 15, 2019 2:41 pm

Cuban is a fucking moron that makes Biden look highly intelligent
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Chizzang » Wed May 15, 2019 3:19 pm

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Cuban is a fucking moron that makes Biden look highly intelligent


Mark Cuban's IQ is easily 30 points higher than Trumps
add to that Mark Cuban is also actually a Billionaire and will prove it

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Wed May 15, 2019 5:43 pm

Chizzang wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Cuban is a **** moron that makes Biden look highly intelligent


Mark Cuban's IQ is easily 30 points higher than Trumps
add to that Mark Cuban is also actually a Billionaire and will prove it

:lol:


If he's really that smart, and I think he is, he's not going to run for President as an Independent. You don't have to have a really high IQ to realize that under the current system there is zero chance that someone running as an Independent could win.

Change to "automatic runoff" voting and we might be able to start a conversation.
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Postby UNI88 » Wed May 15, 2019 5:49 pm

Chizzang wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Cuban is a **** moron that makes Biden look highly intelligent


Mark Cuban's IQ is easily 30 points higher than Trumps
add to that Mark Cuban is also actually a Billionaire and will prove it

How much did he start with? Cuban built his wealth (sorry Obama).

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Wed May 15, 2019 6:14 pm

Good news from the most recent Quinnipiac poll of Pennsylvania:

https://poll.qu.edu/pennsylvania/releas ... aseID=2620

Before you say, "But the polls were wrong in Pennsylvania in 2016" understand that the Real Clear Politics average of polls had Clinton up by only 1.9 percentage points on election eve. The biggest lead she had in any poll used to calculate the average was 4 percentage points. Her lead was within poll margin of error in every case.

Quinnipiac is a quality poll. And it's got Biden up on Trump by 11 percentage points. It's got Sanders up by Trump by 7 percentage points. Only Biden is leading beyond the margin of error for the difference. But the only Democrat candidate among the 6 tested who ended up behind Trump among respondents is O'Rourke.

If the election were held tomorrow and the candidates were Biden and Trump, Biden would win in Pennsylvania. Very high confidence that would happen. Of course the election is not tomorrow and we don't know who the Democrat is going to be. But it's yet another indication that Trump is a vulnerable incumbent.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Wed May 15, 2019 6:34 pm

There's a particularly cool thing about that Quinnipiac poll of Pennsylvania. You can see some trend information at https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/pa/p ... otp20.pdf/. You can see the question, "Would you describe the state of Pennsylvania's economy these days as excellent,
good, not so good, or poor?"

They list results going all the way back through a poll released February 20, 2003. Until this last May 15, 2019 poll, there is no case in which more than 46 percent of respondents said the economy in the State was either Good or Excellent. In this last poll 71 percent said it was either Good or Excellent.

Yet the same respondents favored Biden over Trump by 11 percentage points and favored Sanders over Trump by 7 percenage points. They even favored WARREN over Trump by 3 percentage points.

That says people aren't buying the idea that they need Trump because of the economy. That's a good sign even if we don't have the next downturn at an opportune time. Of course it'd still be better if we have the next downturn at an opportune time. But even if we don't, at least for now, it doesn't look like the economy is necessarily helping Trump that much.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby BDKJMU » Thu May 16, 2019 8:54 am

BDKJMU wrote:Current scorecard: "200+ individuals have filed with the Federal Election Commission to run for president in the Democratic Party primary, as of April 25, 2019".
"the candidates in this section have held public office, been included in a minimum of five independent national polls or have otherwise received substantial coverage
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Dates they officially declared their candidacy, their ages, current job(s):
1. 11/6/17 Andrew Yang, 44, former CEO Venture for America.
2. 1/11 Tulsi Gabbard, 38, Rep HI 2013-present.
3. 1/12 Julian Castro, 44, Mayor of San Antonio 2009-2014; Sec HUD 2014-2017.
4. 1/21 Kamala Harris, 54, Sen CA 2017-present.
5. 1/28 John Delaney, 56, Rep MD 2013-2019.
6. 1/28 Marianne Williamson, 66, NYT best selling author.
7. 2/1 Spartacus, 49, Mayor Newark, NJ, 2006-2013; Senator NJ 2013-present.
8. 2/9 Pocahontas, 69, Sen MA 2013-present.
9. 2/10 Amy Klochbar, 58, Sen MN, 2007-present.
10. 2/19 Bernie Sanders, 77, Sen VT 2007-present.
11. 3/14 Robert O'Rourke, 46, Rep El Paso 2013-2019.
12. 4/14 Peter Buttigieg, 37, Mayor of South Bend, ND 2012-present, 1st openly gay donk candidate.
13. 3/28 Wayne Messam, 44, Mayor of Miramar, FL, 2015-present.
14. 4/4 Tim Ryan, 45, Rep OH 2003-present.
15. 4/25 Joe Biden, 76, former DE Senator & VP.
16. 5/2 Michael Bennet, 54, Sen CO 2009-present.
17. 5/14 Steve Bullock, 53, Gov Montana 2013-present.
18. 5/16 Bill De Blasio, 58, Mayor NYC 2014-present.

Withdrawn candidates:
1. 11/25/18 Richard Ojeda, 48, WV State Senator 2016-2019. 25 yrs Army. Withdrew 1/25.
2 4/8 Eric Swalwell, 38, Rep CA 2013-present. Withdrew 7/8.
3. 4/8 Mike Gravel, 89, former AK Senator. Withdrew 8/6.
4. 3/4 John Hickenlooper, 67, Mayor of Denver (2003–2011), Gov of Colorado (2011–2019). Withdrew 8/15.
5. 3/1 Jay Inslee, 68, Gov WA 2013-present.Withdrew 8/21.
6. 4/22 Seth Moulton, 40, Rep MA 2015-current. Withdrew 8/23.
7. 1/15 Kirsten Gillibrand, 52, Rep NY 2007-2009, Sen NY 2009-present. Withdrew 8/28
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby css75 » Thu May 16, 2019 10:19 am

BDKJMU wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Current scorecard: "200+ individuals have filed with the Federal Election Commission to run for president in the Democratic Party primary, as of April 25, 2019".
"the candidates in this section have held public office, been included in a minimum of five independent national polls or have otherwise received substantial coverage
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Dates they officially declared their candidacy, their ages, current job(s):
1. 11/6/17 Andrew Yang, 44, former CEO Venture for America.
2. 1/11 Tulsi Gabbard, 38, Rep HI 2013-present.
3. 1/12 Julian Castro, 44, Mayor of San Antonio 2009-2014; Sec HUD 2014-2017.
4. 1/15 Kirsten Gillibrand, 52, Rep NY 2007-2009, Sen NY 2009-present.
5. 1/21 Kamala Harris, 54, Sen CA 2017-present.
6. 1/28 John Delaney, 56, Rep MD 2013-2019.
7. 1/28 Marianne Williamson, 66, NYT best selling author.
8. 2/1 Spartacus, 49, Mayor Newark, NJ, 2006-2013; Senator NJ 2013-present.
9. 2/9 Pocahontas, 69, Sen MA 2013-present.
10. 2/10 Amy Klochbar, 58, Sen MN, 2007-present.
11. 2/19 Bernie Sanders, 77, Sen VT 2007-present.
12. 3/1 Jay Inslee, 68, Gov WA 2013-present.
13. 3/4 John Hickenlooper, 67, Mayor of Denver (2003–2011), Gov of Colorado (2011–2019).
14. 3/14 Robert O'Rourke, 46, Rep El Paso 2013-2019.
15. 4/14 Alfred E Neuman 37, Mayor of South Bend, ND 2012-present, 1st openly gay donk candidate.
16. 3/28 Wayne Messam, 44, Mayor of Miramar, FL, 2015-present.
17. 4/8 Mike Gravel, 88, former AK Senator.
18. 4/4 Tim Ryan, 45, Rep OH 2003-present.
19. 4/8 Eric Swalwell, 38, Rep CA 2013-present.
20. 4/22 Seth Moulton, 40, Rep MA 2015-current.
21. 4/25 Joe Biden, 76, former DE Senator & VP.
22. 5/2 Michael Bennet, 54, Sen CO 2009-present.
23. 5/14 Steve Bullock, 53, Gov Montana 2013-present.
24. 5/16 Bill De Blasio, 58, Mayor NYC 2014-present.

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Bump. Updated with the May additions of Bennet, Bullock, and De Blasio.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Thu May 16, 2019 10:45 am

DeBlasio? :roll:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Postby Gil Dobie » Thu May 16, 2019 11:15 am

Ivytalk wrote:DeBlasio? :roll:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This bunch of Donks makes the 2016 GOP crew look like the Founding Fathers.


I see only 1 good one, and see's the Betsy Ross of the crew.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:DeBlasio? :roll:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This bunch of Donks makes the 2016 GOP crew look like the Founding Fathers.


I see only 1 good one, and see's the Betsy Ross of the crew.


Who is that?


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Gil Dobie » Thu May 16, 2019 11:39 am

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I see only 1 good one, and see's the Betsy Ross of the crew.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Thu May 16, 2019 4:59 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing Harris make it through. Right now I'd have to say the odds of her making it through the Democrat primary are not good. But I think if she did make it through she would absolutely destroy Trump. The debates would be particularly entertaining as he would be absolutely no match for her. He'd be seen as getting the crap kicked out of him by a woman. It'd be fun.

And once minorities saw that it was realistic that she could win they'd juice up for her. I think Trump would absolutely get his head handed to him by that woman.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Thu May 16, 2019 5:03 pm

Ivytalk wrote:DeBlasio? :roll:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This bunch of Donks makes the 2016 GOP crew look like the Founding Fathers.


Every one of them is better than Trump. The 2016 GOP crew wasn't so bad. They actually did have some pretty impressive people in their number. The problem is that the GOP picked a guy who is a total atrocity. They had some good options. But they didn't pick any of them.
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Postby SDHornet » Thu May 16, 2019 5:34 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:New interview with Rogan


How many times did you complete while watching/listening to this?

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JohnStOnge wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:DeBlasio? :roll:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This bunch of Donks makes the 2016 GOP crew look like the Founding Fathers.


Every one of them is better than Trump. The 2016 GOP crew wasn't so bad. They actually did have some pretty impressive people in their number. The problem is that the GOP picked a guy who is a total atrocity. They had some good options. But they didn't pick any of them.

Trump was so bad that he won.

Still mad he is your President? 8-) :lol:

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby BDKJMU » Thu May 16, 2019 6:12 pm

22 of those 24 are politicians. All except Yang and Williamson. Cuban is right- people now don’t want to vote for politicians. If the donks were smart, besides not trying to see who can go the most lefttard, they would have less politicians, and more non politicians, running among the major candidates..


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