And Old Hickory made the 20 dollar bill.UNI88 wrote:Trump is Andy Jackson reborn. Popular for his lack of couth and culture.Chizzang wrote:
Meh...
Trump is loved
even by the people that recognize he's a ridiculous twat as well as shockingly uninformed
he's still loved
even by the people that claim they didn't vote for him
like the 20 some odd conservatives on this website that all claim they voted for somebody else
Trump 2020
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I have seen what happens when one is too prescriptive in the standards world. You get products that have features that are 10, 20, and 30 years out of date just so the box can get checked and it is salable in a particular market.kalm wrote:GannonFan wrote:
Agreed. Making college tuition-free wouldn't result in a really more educated workforce, it would just result in a workforce with more college credits and possibly more college degrees. But forcing that to happen through free tuition in no way has any direct relation to innovation and productivity improvements. I could make every college football team in America an "FBS" school by forcing all of them to play in FBS, but the number of NFL-ready QB's year after year would remain the same no matter how fancy I called their colleges. Handing out degrees doesn't improve innovation.
I don’t recall anyone’s shitty/meaningless free tuition plan.
Like I replied, there needs to be vocational options as well and regulation of which degrees are eligible.
But Old Hickory kicked some serious enemy ass in the military. Drumpf had bone spurs.Winterborn wrote:And Old Hickory made the 20 dollar bill.UNI88 wrote:Trump is Andy Jackson reborn. Popular for his lack of couth and culture.
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Well, who was manning the keyboard under your username when you said this a few posts ago...kalm wrote:GannonFan wrote:
Agreed. Making college tuition-free wouldn't result in a really more educated workforce, it would just result in a workforce with more college credits and possibly more college degrees. But forcing that to happen through free tuition in no way has any direct relation to innovation and productivity improvements. I could make every college football team in America an "FBS" school by forcing all of them to play in FBS, but the number of NFL-ready QB's year after year would remain the same no matter how fancy I called their colleges. Handing out degrees doesn't improve innovation.
I don’t recall anyone’s shitty/meaningless free tuition plan.
Like I replied, there needs to be vocational options as well and regulation of which degrees are eligible.
kalm wrote:I’d rather have free college than tax free defense spending. At least education investments can lead to innovation and productivity.
I know how much you struggle with big picture concepts but yes, there’s more to it than just waving the magic everything is free wand.GannonFan wrote:Well, who was manning the keyboard under your username when you said this a few posts ago...kalm wrote:
I don’t recall anyone’s shitty/meaningless free tuition plan.
Like I replied, there needs to be vocational options as well and regulation of which degrees are eligible.
kalm wrote:I’d rather have free college than tax free defense spending. At least education investments can lead to innovation and productivity.
I'm assuming by "innovation and productivity" you were implying more vocational degrees.
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Always keep your receipts.
1. We didn’t send them for college for “free”kalm wrote:I know how much you struggle with big picture concepts but yes, there’s more to it than just waving the magic everything is free wand.GannonFan wrote:
Well, who was manning the keyboard under your username when you said this a few posts ago...
I'm assuming by "innovation and productivity" you were implying more vocational degrees.
If I told you that part of our post war growth/innovation/productivity was a result of sending an entire generation of vets to college for free you’d just respond...”but Europe and Japan were in shambles!”
If you’d like I’ll produce a 129 page policy paper on the deets to satisfy your curiosity.
1. CorrectCID1990 wrote:1. We didn’t send them for college for “free”kalm wrote:
I know how much you struggle with big picture concepts but yes, there’s more to it than just waving the magic everything is free wand.
If I told you that part of our post war growth/innovation/productivity was a result of sending an entire generation of vets to college for free you’d just respond...”but Europe and Japan were in shambles!”
If you’d like I’ll produce a 129 page policy paper on the deets to satisfy your curiosity.
2. That “free” college scheme is still available to anyone who wants it
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increases education levels and productivity. And yes there are valid concerns with how government handles it and abuses and lack of efficiency in the system. Still... Yes, I would tell you that we were dealing with a less competitive world, but I would also challenge your assertion that US productivity increases came as a result of the post WWII GI bill. Productivity increases in the US didn't start to really take off until the 1990's and onward, which is well after the impact of the GI bill folks into the workforce. Heck, most of those folks were already retired or were retiring by the time the US saw its biggest increases in productivity. Furthermore, although the GI bill was great, the idea that "an entire generation" go to go to college for free is undermined by the fact that not that many actually did go to college. By 1950, 5 years after the war, only 7.3% of American males had a bachelor's degree (granted, up from 5.5% in 1940, but not really a huge increase). Growth has been pretty normal for the past 50 years in terms of folks getting their bachelor's degree in terms of year on year growth, so there's never been an isolated surge. The biggest innovations we've had have had almost nothing to do with free college.kalm wrote:I know how much you struggle with big picture concepts but yes, there’s more to it than just waving the magic everything is free wand.GannonFan wrote:
Well, who was manning the keyboard under your username when you said this a few posts ago...
I'm assuming by "innovation and productivity" you were implying more vocational degrees.
If I told you that part of our post war growth/innovation/productivity was a result of sending an entire generation of vets to college for free you’d just respond...”but Europe and Japan were in shambles!”
If you’d like I’ll produce a 129 page policy paper on the deets to satisfy your curiosity.
Trump has a higher calling in fighting his "Twitter War". That should be enough to get him on a 3 dollar bill by some future generations.Ivytalk wrote:But Old Hickory kicked some serious enemy ass in the military. Drumpf had bone spurs.Winterborn wrote:
And Old Hickory made the 20 dollar bill.
All that twisting and smoke aside-kalm wrote:1. CorrectCID1990 wrote:
1. We didn’t send them for college for “free”
2. That “free” college scheme is still available to anyone who wants it
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2. Correct
How many would have gone to college back then or would go today without the GI bill...more or less?
So again, tuition you don't have to pay for
Yes...you said that and I agreed. Would you like some reaffirmation?CID1990 wrote:All that twisting and smoke aside-kalm wrote:
1. Correct
2. Correct
How many would have gone to college back then or would go today without the GI bill...more or less?
So again, tuition you don't have to pay for
anyone who wants “free” college can have it
(Ask not what your country can do for you)
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Interesting stuff. Care to share a link to the stats? I’m genuinely interested.GannonFan wrote:Yes, I would tell you that we were dealing with a less competitive world, but I would also challenge your assertion that US productivity increases came as a result of the post WWII GI bill. Productivity increases in the US didn't start to really take off until the 1990's and onward, which is well after the impact of the GI bill folks into the workforce. Heck, most of those folks were already retired or were retiring by the time the US saw its biggest increases in productivity. Furthermore, although the GI bill was great, the idea that "an entire generation" go to go to college for free is undermined by the fact that not that many actually did go to college. By 1950, 5 years after the war, only 7.3% of American males had a bachelor's degree (granted, up from 5.5% in 1940, but not really a huge increase). Growth has been pretty normal for the past 50 years in terms of folks getting their bachelor's degree in terms of year on year growth, so there's never been an isolated surge. The biggest innovations we've had have had almost nothing to do with free college.kalm wrote:
I know how much you struggle with big picture concepts but yes, there’s more to it than just waving the magic everything is free wand.
If I told you that part of our post war growth/innovation/productivity was a result of sending an entire generation of vets to college for free you’d just respond...”but Europe and Japan were in shambles!”
If you’d like I’ll produce a 129 page policy paper on the deets to satisfy your curiosity.
College degree stuff is here:kalm wrote:Interesting stuff. Care to share a link to the stats? I’m genuinely interested.GannonFan wrote:
Yes, I would tell you that we were dealing with a less competitive world, but I would also challenge your assertion that US productivity increases came as a result of the post WWII GI bill. Productivity increases in the US didn't start to really take off until the 1990's and onward, which is well after the impact of the GI bill folks into the workforce. Heck, most of those folks were already retired or were retiring by the time the US saw its biggest increases in productivity. Furthermore, although the GI bill was great, the idea that "an entire generation" go to go to college for free is undermined by the fact that not that many actually did go to college. By 1950, 5 years after the war, only 7.3% of American males had a bachelor's degree (granted, up from 5.5% in 1940, but not really a huge increase). Growth has been pretty normal for the past 50 years in terms of folks getting their bachelor's degree in terms of year on year growth, so there's never been an isolated surge. The biggest innovations we've had have had almost nothing to do with free college.
Also...please define “the biggest innovations we’ve had”...
Thanks, Ganny. I’ll read up on them.GannonFan wrote:College degree stuff is here:kalm wrote:
Interesting stuff. Care to share a link to the stats? I’m genuinely interested.
Also...please define “the biggest innovations we’ve had”...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/184 ... by-gender/
Productivity stuff here:
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2002/06/art4full.pdf
As for the innovation, entirely subjective, but seeing how the biggest productivity improvements in the US happened post 1973, I'm going to go with the technological innovations (internet, computers, etc) in the 80's and 90's as the biggest ones for the US right now. You're certainly entitled to disagree with that.
I didn't do any background checks on the sources so if you find any skeletons let me know!kalm wrote:Thanks, Ganny. I’ll read up on them.GannonFan wrote:
College degree stuff is here:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/184 ... by-gender/
Productivity stuff here:
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2002/06/art4full.pdf
As for the innovation, entirely subjective, but seeing how the biggest productivity improvements in the US happened post 1973, I'm going to go with the technological innovations (internet, computers, etc) in the 80's and 90's as the biggest ones for the US right now. You're certainly entitled to disagree with that.
1) Sliced Breadkalm wrote:Interesting stuff. Care to share a link to the stats? I’m genuinely interested.GannonFan wrote:
Yes, I would tell you that we were dealing with a less competitive world, but I would also challenge your assertion that US productivity increases came as a result of the post WWII GI bill. Productivity increases in the US didn't start to really take off until the 1990's and onward, which is well after the impact of the GI bill folks into the workforce. Heck, most of those folks were already retired or were retiring by the time the US saw its biggest increases in productivity. Furthermore, although the GI bill was great, the idea that "an entire generation" go to go to college for free is undermined by the fact that not that many actually did go to college. By 1950, 5 years after the war, only 7.3% of American males had a bachelor's degree (granted, up from 5.5% in 1940, but not really a huge increase). Growth has been pretty normal for the past 50 years in terms of folks getting their bachelor's degree in terms of year on year growth, so there's never been an isolated surge. The biggest innovations we've had have had almost nothing to do with free college.
Also...please define “the biggest innovations we’ve had”...
JSO is a work in progress - he’s evolvingIvytalk wrote:Hey, JSO, who is your favorite in this motley crew from your party? Just answer: DO NOT show your work.
CID1990 wrote:JSO is a work in progress - he’s evolvingIvytalk wrote:Hey, JSO, who is your favorite in this motley crew from your party? Just answer: DO NOT show your work.
Give him a few more weeks and he’ll be a Che tshirt wearing BernieBro
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Ivytalk wrote:Hey, JSO, who is your favorite in this motley crew from your party? Just answer: DO NOT show your work.
I'd be shocked if he just gave a nameThen bring it back on point by answering the question I just asked you.JohnStOnge wrote:I think it's safe to say that this thread has swerved off topic.
