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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:32 am

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby BDKJMU » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:32 pm

BDKJMU wrote:Current scorecard: "200+ individuals have filed with the Federal Election Commission to run for president in the Democratic Party primary, as of April 25, 2019".
"the candidates in this section have held public office, been included in a minimum of five independent national polls or have otherwise received substantial coverage
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Dates they officially declared their candidacy, their ages, current job(s):
1. 11/6/17 Andrew Yang, 44, former CEO Venture for America.
2. 1/11 Tulsi Gabbard, 38, Rep HI 2013-present.
3. 1/12 Julian Castro, 44, Mayor of San Antonio 2009-2014; Sec HUD 2014-2017.
4. 1/21 Kamala Harris, 54, Sen CA 2017-present.
5. 1/28 John Delaney, 56, Rep MD 2013-2019.
6. 1/28 Marianne Williamson, 67, NYT best selling author.
7. 2/1 Spartacus, 50, Mayor Newark, NJ, 2006-2013; Senator NJ 2013-present.
8. 2/9 Pocahontas, 70, Sen MA 2013-present.
9. 2/10 Amy Klochbar, 59, Sen MN, 2007-present.
10. 2/19 Bernie Sanders, 77, Sen VT 2007-present.
11. 3/14 Robert O'Rourke, 46, Rep El Paso 2013-2019.
12. 4/14 Peter Buttigieg, 37, Mayor of South Bend, ND 2012-present, 1st openly gay donk candidate.
13. 3/28 Wayne Messam, 44, Mayor of Miramar, FL, 2015-present.
14. 4/4 Tim Ryan, 46, Rep OH 2003-present.
15. 4/25 Joe Biden, 76, former DE Senator & VP.
16. 5/2 Michael Bennet, 54, Sen CO 2009-present.
17. 5/14 Steve Bullock, 53, Gov Montana 2013-present.
18. 5/16 Bill De Blasio, 58, Mayor NYC 2014-present.

Withdrawn candidates:
1. 11/25/18 Richard Ojeda, 48, WV State Senator 2016-2019. 25 yrs Army. Withdrew 1/25.
2 4/8 Eric Swalwell, 38, Rep CA 2013-present. Withdrew 7/8.
3. 4/8 Mike Gravel, 89, former AK Senator. Withdrew 8/6.
4. 3/4 John Hickenlooper, 67, Mayor of Denver (2003–2011), Gov of Colorado (2011–2019). Withdrew 8/15.
5. 3/1 Jay Inslee, 68, Gov WA 2013-present.Withdrew 8/21.
6. 4/22 Seth Moulton, 40, Rep MA 2015-current. Withdrew 8/23.
7. 1/15 Kirsten Gillibrand, 52, Rep NY 2007-2009, Sen NY 2009-present. Withdrew 8/28
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:42 pm

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AZGrizFan wrote: :tothehand: :tothehand:

Just pointing out that it’s physically impossible to be decked with chin music when you’re bent over. :dunce:


Depends on which side they're nailing you from (maybe both, it's been THAT bad...)
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:43 pm

While I was driving back from field work today I heard Andrew Yang being interviewed on NPR and I was blown away. Just very impressive. When he was asked a question there was no equivocating. Very direct and substantive answers.

Like the discussion of his guaranteed income proposal. Twice he was hit with questions about pilot studies on the effects of a minimum guaranteed income. Once it was a caller referencing a study done in Mississippi and once it was the NPR host referencing a study done in Sweden. In both cases he was clearly familiar with the studies and provided detailed responses. He appeared to know more about the details of the studies than the people who asked him questions did.

Also, during the discussion, he pointed out that conservative economist icon Milton Friedman proposed a guaranteed minimum income. When I got home I Googled it an confirmed that he was correct.

He provided extremely compelling analysis of the effect of automation on jobs. He talked about the need to focus on "non repetitive cognitive" and "non repetitive manual" jobs because automation is going to largely eliminate "repetitive cognitive" and "repetitive manual" jobs. He cited plumber as a "non repetitive" manual job.

A caller called in about unions and he started spouting specific stats about union membership in the 1940s vs. now. I looked that up and he was correct.

It was by far the most intelligent presentation and set of responses I've ever heard from anybody running for office in my lifetime. No matter what he was asked he had a substantive answer. No evasion. No trying to focus on talking points. Just answered the question. And he seemed to be well informed about anything he was asked about. The guy has not shot. But if there were to be real debates based on substance he would destroy anybody else in the race on either side.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:57 pm

Agreed. He has no shot.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Skjellyfetti » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:58 pm

Yeah, he would be a great candidate. I've tried to bring up the minimum guaranteed income on here a few times... prefacing it with Milton Friedman and Nixon to see if I could get the Conks to even entertain the idea. Nope.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Pwns » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:58 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:While I was driving back from field work today I heard Andrew Yang being interviewed on NPR and I was blown away. Just very impressive. When he was asked a question there was no equivocating. Very direct and substantive answers.

Like the discussion of his guaranteed income proposal. Twice he was hit with questions about pilot studies on the effects of a minimum guaranteed income. Once it was a caller referencing a study done in Mississippi and once it was the NPR host referencing a study done in Sweden. In both cases he was clearly familiar with the studies and provided detailed responses. He appeared to know more about the details of the studies than the people who asked him questions did.

Also, during the discussion, he pointed out that conservative economist icon Milton Friedman proposed a guaranteed minimum income. When I got home I Googled it an confirmed that he was correct.

He provided extremely compelling analysis of the effect of automation on jobs. He talked about the need to focus on "non repetitive cognitive" and "non repetitive manual" jobs because automation is going to largely eliminate "repetitive cognitive" and "repetitive manual" jobs. He cited plumber as a "non repetitive" manual job.

A caller called in about unions and he started spouting specific stats about union membership in the 1940s vs. now. I looked that up and he was correct.

It was by far the most intelligent presentation and set of responses I've ever heard from anybody running for office in my lifetime. No matter what he was asked he had a substantive answer. No evasion. No trying to focus on talking points. Just answered the question. And he seemed to be well informed about anything he was asked about. The guy has not shot. But if there were to be real debates based on substance he would destroy anybody else in the race on either side.


I have a high amount of respect for him. He's the John Huntsman of the Democrats. I'm not sure about the concept of UBI, but it's not like an idea that was pulled out of someone's arse with no consideration whatsoever for practicality.

His discussion with Ben Shapiro on Youtube is actually really good and substantive and sadly not like anything you see anymore in media.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby css75 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:33 pm

Bernie’s latest climate change control: pay for abortions in other countries to help control population and thusly climate change.

He is totally warped.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:08 pm

Pwns wrote:Donk Cliamte town hall on CNN was basically a long GOP political commercial, but kudos to Cory Booker and Andrew Yang for being realists on nuclear power.


I would vote for Yang if he were the nominee. He’s like this cycle’s Jim Webb.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:43 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Pwns wrote:Donk Cliamte town hall on CNN was basically a long GOP political commercial, but kudos to Cory Booker and Andrew Yang for being realists on nuclear power.


I would vote for Yang if he were the nominee. He’s like this cycle’s Jim Webb.


Joe Sestak seems like another you’d like.
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Postby UNI88 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:50 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Yeah, he would be a great candidate. I've tried to bring up the minimum guaranteed income on here a few times... prefacing it with Milton Friedman and Nixon to see if I could get the Conks to even entertain the idea. Nope.


I don't remember the details but I believe CID has stated that he has reservations but isn't opposed to a minimum income.

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Postby Ivytalk » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:19 pm

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Skjellyfetti wrote:Yeah, he would be a great candidate. I've tried to bring up the minimum guaranteed income on here a few times... prefacing it with Milton Friedman and Nixon to see if I could get the Conks to even entertain the idea. Nope.


I don't remember the details but I believe CID has stated that he has reservations but isn't opposed to a minimum income.

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Postby CID1990 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:28 pm

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Skjellyfetti wrote:Yeah, he would be a great candidate. I've tried to bring up the minimum guaranteed income on here a few times... prefacing it with Milton Friedman and Nixon to see if I could get the Conks to even entertain the idea. Nope.


I don't remember the details but I believe CID has stated that he has reservations but isn't opposed to a minimum income.

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That's pretty much it.

I know the potential repercussions (as well as the absolutely certain ones) but I'm not opposed outright

The more I hear Yang, the more I like him. He is VERY strong on policy - and outside of the guaranteed basic income thing, I think he's far and away the smartest person on the stage. He's straightforward and just a generally pleasant dude. He's also data driven and that's the kind of decision maker I like. He's a foreign policy realist and I suspect he will take a pragmatic approach to Russia and China. He's a bit quiet on China for the child of Taiwanese immigrants, but I know he understands the threat picture

He's for Medicare for all and that's a drawback for me, but I also think it is a political dead letter and he won't ultimately push it (and it won't matter if he does).

He might well be a statist but at the end of the day his ups outweigh his downs for me.

Edit- I'd vote for Amash over Yang but I suspect Amash isn't going to run and if that's the case, I'd vote for Yang. If Yang isn't the nominee then I'll throw my vote to the LP as long as it isn't some nutjob
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Pwns » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:27 pm

What CID said, and I'll add to that.

I also like that he seems to mostly avoid "SJW" talking points such as the "equal pay for equal work" canard and the idea being black and poor is different than being white and poor because of what happened 200 years ago. I also doubt you'll hear him suggest that monitoring 4chan for the next Dylan Roof is going to be more important than monitoring Islamist groups just because it's been a while since we had a 9/11.

You might say he's the first serious "Intellectual Dark Web" candidate. He's more Sam Harris or Bill Maher type of lefty, and I'll take that over Trump, a neocon, or for damn sure a wokescold.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Skjellyfetti » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:33 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Pwns wrote:Donk Cliamte town hall on CNN was basically a long GOP political commercial, but kudos to Cory Booker and Andrew Yang for being realists on nuclear power.


I would vote for Yang if he were the nominee. He’s like this cycle’s Jim Webb.


Except he won't pussy out and close up shop before a vote is cast.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:48 pm

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I would vote for Yang if he were the nominee. He’s like this cycle’s Jim Webb.


Except he won't pussy out and close up shop before a vote is cast.


Pussy?

:rofl:

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:35 am

This came across my FB timeline. Interesting in that the image shows Harris but no Bernie (the Democratic establishment and media might still just have teentsie weentsie bias towards him :lol: ).

Then note the first reply. I responded with "ageist, racist, and sexist all in one post. good job!"

cs.com has taught me well. :mrgreen:

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Postby houndawg » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:02 am

Pwns wrote:The only candidate who managed to piss off every arm of the Democratic party except for nutters who think getting a president with a vagina is our most pressing issue.


You say that like its abad thing.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby houndawg » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:10 am

CID1990 wrote:
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Except he won't pussy out and close up shop before a vote is cast.


Pussy?

:rofl:

You couldn’t carry Jim Webb’s jock, Reek


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:rofl:

Webb would make a good solid staff guy, but he is, or certainly was, anyway, a bit parochial in his outlook to lead a diverse nation. Women can't fight? Really? :roll:
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Postby GannonFan » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:30 am

kalm wrote:This came across my FB timeline. Interesting in that the image shows Harris but no Bernie (the Democratic establishment and media might still just have teentsie weentsie bias towards him :lol: ).

Then note the first reply. I responded with "ageist, racist, and sexist all in one post. good job!"

cs.com has taught me well. :mrgreen:

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Kelly Morgan No!!!! No more old, white men!!! I loved Biden as a VP, but it’s time for a new paradigm.


Don't doubt the establisment's and the media's aversion to Bernie - I've seen things like that for the past year on my FB feed and Bernie is never promoted in anyway whatsoever. The only certainty I have is that Bernie will never win the Democratic nomination - that will never be allowed to happen.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby 89Hen » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:39 am

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CID1990 wrote:
Pussy?

:rofl:

You couldn’t carry Jim Webb’s jock, Reek


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:rofl:

Webb would make a good solid staff guy, but he is, or certainly was, anyway, a bit parochial in his outlook to lead a diverse nation. Women can't fight? Really? :roll:

Jim Webb is easily one of the most creepy guys around. :suspicious:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:43 am

GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:This came across my FB timeline. Interesting in that the image shows Harris but no Bernie (the Democratic establishment and media might still just have teentsie weentsie bias towards him :lol: ).

Then note the first reply. I responded with "ageist, racist, and sexist all in one post. good job!"

cs.com has taught me well. :mrgreen:



Don't doubt the establisment's and the media's aversion to Bernie - I've seen things like that for the past year on my FB feed and Bernie is never promoted in anyway whatsoever. The only certainty I have is that Bernie will never win the Democratic nomination - that will never be allowed to happen.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby GannonFan » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:46 am

kalm wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Don't doubt the establisment's and the media's aversion to Bernie - I've seen things like that for the past year on my FB feed and Bernie is never promoted in anyway whatsoever. The only certainty I have is that Bernie will never win the Democratic nomination - that will never be allowed to happen.


:nod:


With that said, I think Warren is pretty much Bernie-lite and she could win. And I kinda like Buttigeg and Yang - if you could combine the former's everyperson appeal with the latter's intelligence you'd have one heck of a candidate.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Skjellyfetti » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:06 am

I don't think Buttigieg is lacking intelligence
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Postby GannonFan » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:09 am

Skjellyfetti wrote:I don't think Buttigieg is lacking intelligence


Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing him in the same circle of stupid that say, a Beto lives in. I just put Yang that much further ahead of him, that's all I'm saying.
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