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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:46 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Worse than Medicare for all?

Yang makes a very libertarian pitch for UBI. It has some predictable disadvantages but overall Yang articulates it convincingly


You should check out his policy positions - his biggest liabilities are over things that can’t happen... like Medicare for all-

On trade policy he came right out and said he wouldn’t immediately drop the tariff on China

On foreign policy he’s noninterventionist

TBH, I think Yang is too smart for the electorate he’s trying to woo



Why does it have to be one or the other? BOTH those ideas suck balls and are deal killers. And I HAVE checked out his policy positions...he's articulate, smart, and you're probably right: too bright for the donk sheeple he's trying to woo...but he's got a couple of waaaaay left things that make the little hairs on the back of my neck stand up....no can do.

We all know most of what candidates say won’t happen.

We still have Obamacare.
Mexico isn’t paying for a wall

It’s all pandering and BS.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:23 pm

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Why does it have to be one or the other? BOTH those ideas suck balls and are deal killers. And I HAVE checked out his policy positions...he's articulate, smart, and you're probably right: too bright for the donk sheeple he's trying to woo...but he's got a couple of waaaaay left things that make the little hairs on the back of my neck stand up....no can do.

We all know most of what candidates say won’t happen.

We still have Obamacare.
Mexico isn’t paying for a wall

It’s all pandering and BS.



I don't really care. If they're THINKING it, that's enough for me. Red flags and all. :nod: :nod:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby GannonFan » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:45 pm

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Why does it have to be one or the other? BOTH those ideas suck balls and are deal killers. And I HAVE checked out his policy positions...he's articulate, smart, and you're probably right: too bright for the donk sheeple he's trying to woo...but he's got a couple of waaaaay left things that make the little hairs on the back of my neck stand up....no can do.


UBI deserves a look because of the automation factor in job loss.

Or we could wait until they start cooking the rich over a bed of burning bankers... :luv:


I agree, but someone has to explain to me how UBI doesn't develop the same problems that minimum wage increases and student aid bumps have - how does it work so that inflation doesn't just take into account what the UBI is adjust so that ultimately, a person's buying power before and after the UBI isn't the same, especially if it was really low to start with?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:53 pm

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UBI deserves a look because of the automation factor in job loss.

Or we could wait until they start cooking the rich over a bed of burning bankers... :luv:


I agree, but someone has to explain to me how UBI doesn't develop the same problems that minimum wage increases and student aid bumps have - how does it work so that inflation doesn't just take into account what the UBI is adjust so that ultimately, a person's buying power before and after the UBI isn't the same, especially if it was really low to start with?


Besides...Trump's tax cut basically let anyone who's working already keep more of their income, so they got their UBI back from the government. 8-) 8-) 8-)

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:56 pm

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CID1990 wrote:
Worse than Medicare for all?

Yang makes a very libertarian pitch for UBI. It has some predictable disadvantages but overall Yang articulates it convincingly


You should check out his policy positions - his biggest liabilities are over things that can’t happen... like Medicare for all-

On trade policy he came right out and said he wouldn’t immediately drop the tariff on China

On foreign policy he’s noninterventionist

TBH, I think Yang is too smart for the electorate he’s trying to woo



Why does it have to be one or the other? BOTH those ideas suck balls and are deal killers. And I HAVE checked out his policy positions...he's articulate, smart, and you're probably right: too bright for the donk sheeple he's trying to woo...but he's got a couple of waaaaay left things that make the little hairs on the back of my neck stand up....no can do.


I’m not afraid of things that can’t happen, which is why I’m not afraid of Yang’s “deal killers”


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:50 pm

CID1990 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Why does it have to be one or the other? BOTH those ideas suck balls and are deal killers. And I HAVE checked out his policy positions...he's articulate, smart, and you're probably right: too bright for the donk sheeple he's trying to woo...but he's got a couple of waaaaay left things that make the little hairs on the back of my neck stand up....no can do.


I’m not afraid of things that can’t happen, which is why I’m not afraid of Yang’s “deal killers”


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Universal healthcare used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. Medicare for all used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. The list goes on and on. Those things have a way of worming their way into the mainstream and that’s how we’ve gotten where we are.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:04 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I’m not afraid of things that can’t happen, which is why I’m not afraid of Yang’s “deal killers”


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Universal healthcare used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. Medicare for all used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. The list goes on and on. Those things have a way of worming their way into the mainstream and that’s how we’ve gotten where we are.


Those things pretty fucking scary...
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Skjellyfetti » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:09 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:Universal healthcare used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. Medicare for all used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. The list goes on and on. Those things have a way of worming their way into the mainstream and that’s how we’ve gotten where we are.


maybe republicans could come up with their own plan that would be better?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:33 pm

CID1990 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Why does it have to be one or the other? BOTH those ideas suck balls and are deal killers. And I HAVE checked out his policy positions...he's articulate, smart, and you're probably right: too bright for the donk sheeple he's trying to woo...but he's got a couple of waaaaay left things that make the little hairs on the back of my neck stand up....no can do.


I’m not afraid of things that can’t happen, which is why I’m not afraid of Yang’s “deal killers”


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:35 pm

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I’m not afraid of things that can’t happen, which is why I’m not afraid of Yang’s “deal killers”


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I don’t understand the so-called libertarian intelligentsia’s infatuation with Yang. He’s just a straight Buttigieg and almost as statist. Yang throws a few crumbs to the “makers” but that’s about it.


What if I told you “not a cunt” was my main criteria?

Yang is the only one who is not a cunt


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:38 pm

CID1990 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:I don’t understand the so-called libertarian intelligentsia’s infatuation with Yang. He’s just a straight Buttigieg and almost as statist. Yang throws a few crumbs to the “makers” but that’s about it.


What if I told you “not a cunt” was my main criteria?

Yang is the only one who is not a cunt


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:51 pm

Ivytalk wrote:
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What if I told you “not a cunt” was my main criteria?

Yang is the only one who is not a cunt


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Mighty low bar there, CID


It’s where we are, really


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:35 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Universal healthcare used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. Medicare for all used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. The list goes on and on. Those things have a way of worming their way into the mainstream and that’s how we’ve gotten where we are.


maybe republicans could come up with their own plan that would be better?


Could we go back to 2007? That would be better.
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Re: RE: Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

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Ivytalk wrote:
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What if I told you “not a cunt” was my main criteria?

Yang is the only one who is not a cunt


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Mighty low bar there, CID
Is it? How many conk candidates from 2016 could clear it?

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:28 pm

Ivytalk wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I’m not afraid of things that can’t happen, which is why I’m not afraid of Yang’s “deal killers”


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I don’t understand the so-called libertarian intelligentsia’s infatuation with Yang. He’s just a straight Buttigieg and almost as statist. Yang throws a few crumbs to the “makers” but that’s about it.


If only the “makers” earned their crumbs... :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:35 pm

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Ivytalk wrote:Mighty low bar there, CID
Is it? How many conk candidates from 2016 could clear it?

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UNI88 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Mighty low bar there, CID
Is it? How many conk candidates from 2016 could clear it?

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:47 am

Skjellyfetti wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Universal healthcare used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. Medicare for all used to be a thing that “couldn’t happen”. The list goes on and on. Those things have a way of worming their way into the mainstream and that’s how we’ve gotten where we are.


maybe republicans could come up with their own plan that would be better?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:48 am

Ibanez wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
maybe republicans could come up with their own plan that would be better?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Oh, you were serious about that?


Right now, where we were in 2008 was a better plan


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:37 pm

If I had to bet now I'd bet they nominate Warren. That disappoints me. I think she has a good chance to beat Trump. Better than 50:50 at this point, I think. But if they do nominate her it'll be a situation in which they could have done much better in terms of putting up a candidate likely to beat Trump. Biden would be a virtual lock if he Democrats had said, "OK, we've identified the best shot and we're going to rally behind him."

Also it means we could end up with Warren as President. That's not as bad as having Trump as President. But it's not good. It's just too bad the Republicans put us in this position by coming up with Trump. No way we'd be looking at a realistic possibility of Elizabeth Warren being President if the Republicans hadn't come up with Trump on their side.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:13 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:If I had to bet now I'd bet they nominate Warren. That disappoints me. I think she has a good chance to beat Trump. Better than 50:50 at this point, I think. But if they do nominate her it'll be a situation in which they could have done much better in terms of putting up a candidate likely to beat Trump. Biden would be a virtual lock if he Democrats had said, "OK, we've identified the best shot and we're going to rally behind him."

Also it means we could end up with Warren as President. That's not as bad as having Trump as President. But it's not good. It's just too bad the Republicans put us in this position by coming up with Trump. No way we'd be looking at a realistic possibility of Elizabeth Warren being President if the Republicans hadn't come up with Trump on their side.


Good God that’s some convoluted logic. Exactly who would we be looking at if Trump weren’t president?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:07 am

JohnStOnge wrote:If I had to bet now I'd bet they nominate Warren. That disappoints me. I think she has a good chance to beat Trump. Better than 50:50 at this point, I think. But if they do nominate her it'll be a situation in which they could have done much better in terms of putting up a candidate likely to beat Trump. Biden would be a virtual lock if he Democrats had said, "OK, we've identified the best shot and we're going to rally behind him."

Also it means we could end up with Warren as President. That's not as bad as having Trump as President. But it's not good. It's just too bad the Republicans put us in this position by coming up with Trump. No way we'd be looking at a realistic possibility of Elizabeth Warren being President if the Republicans hadn't come up with Trump on their side.

After months and months of posts defending Donk policies and excusing the manifold shortcomings of Donk POTUS candidates, JSO makes watershed post hedging his bets and laying the groundwork for future CS attacks on the hard-left agenda of President Elizabeth Warren (if it happens). All in the name of preserving what’s left of his tattered “libertarian” street cred. What a profile in courage. :coffee:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby GannonFan » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:16 am

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JohnStOnge wrote:If I had to bet now I'd bet they nominate Warren. That disappoints me. I think she has a good chance to beat Trump. Better than 50:50 at this point, I think. But if they do nominate her it'll be a situation in which they could have done much better in terms of putting up a candidate likely to beat Trump. Biden would be a virtual lock if he Democrats had said, "OK, we've identified the best shot and we're going to rally behind him."

Also it means we could end up with Warren as President. That's not as bad as having Trump as President. But it's not good. It's just too bad the Republicans put us in this position by coming up with Trump. No way we'd be looking at a realistic possibility of Elizabeth Warren being President if the Republicans hadn't come up with Trump on their side.

After months and months of posts defending Donk policies and excusing the manifold shortcomings of Donk POTUS candidates, JSO makes watershed post hedging his bets and laying the groundwork for future CS attacks on the hard-left agenda of President Elizabeth Warren (if it happens). All in the name of preserving what’s left of his tattered “libertarian” street cred. What a profile in courage. :coffee:


He literally has no idea what he's for and what he's against anymore. He's done so many flips and turns he's just dizzy now.

Oh, and Warren isn't winning anything without winning the Black vote and the organized labor vote and I don't see any indication she's going to win that. She's like a weaker Bernie than Bernie was in 2016 and Bernie couldn't crack the Democratic establishment. She won't fare any better. It'll be a slow, long, slog to the nomination, but assuming Biden doesn't have a health scare or (god forbid) dies he's the nominee.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:42 am

GannonFan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:After months and months of posts defending Donk policies and excusing the manifold shortcomings of Donk POTUS candidates, JSO makes watershed post hedging his bets and laying the groundwork for future CS attacks on the hard-left agenda of President Elizabeth Warren (if it happens). All in the name of preserving what’s left of his tattered “libertarian” street cred. What a profile in courage. :coffee:


He literally has no idea what he's for and what he's against anymore. He's done so many flips and turns he's just dizzy now.

Oh, and Warren isn't winning anything without winning the Black vote and the organized labor vote and I don't see any indication she's going to win that. She's like a weaker Bernie than Bernie was in 2016 and Bernie couldn't crack the Democratic establishment. She won't fare any better. It'll be a slow, long, slog to the nomination, but assuming Biden doesn't have a health scare or (god forbid) dies he's the nominee.


Warren is not impressive in debates. She doesn’t exude leadership...more like panic. I think Biden, with his senility, and Warren’s lack of confident stage presence are significant liabilities that Trump can exploit. ‘ Murica has shown a tendency to look past quality...see McDonalds, Budlight, Dancing With The Stars, and the Dallas Cowboys.
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