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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:11 am

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Well, if you're stipulating that we've started down that slippery slope and it's inevitable, then what the fuck, I guess I can vote for him and just accelerate the process... :lol: :lol:

I have stipulated no such thing. "Around the time 2A is repealed" can be read as " when pigs fly."


Can I still vote for him to accelerate the process? :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby HI54UNI » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:58 am

AZGrizFan wrote:I saw a presidential ad for a guy yesterday I've NEVER heard of.

Tom Steyer? Who the fuck?


You're lucky you don't live in Iowa. That dumbass has been on TV since Trump took office. First he was pushing impeachment and now his campaign ads.

I wish I was a billionaire so I could just light money on fire. I read something awhile back about how much money Steyer has spent between backing congressional candidates (virtually none of which one), impeachment, and now his candidacy. The consultants working for him have to be laughing all the way to the bank.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:38 am

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Ibanez wrote:I have stipulated no such thing. "Around the time 2A is repealed" can be read as " when pigs fly."


Can I still vote for him to accelerate the process? :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

:lol: :lol: Sure why not. Do you live in a state where your vote counts? Mine doesn't.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:38 pm

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Can I still vote for him to accelerate the process? :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

:lol: :lol: Sure why not. Do you live in a state where your vote counts? Mine doesn't.


It only counts if I vote for Trump.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:40 pm

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AZGrizFan wrote:I saw a presidential ad for a guy yesterday I've NEVER heard of.

Tom Steyer? Who the fuck?


You're lucky you don't live in Iowa. That dumbass has been on TV since Trump took office. First he was pushing impeachment and now his campaign ads.

I wish I was a billionaire so I could just light money on fire. I read something awhile back about how much money Steyer has spent between backing congressional candidates (virtually none of which one), impeachment, and now his candidacy. The consultants working for him have to be laughing all the way to the bank.


His whole ad was about big bad bankers and how they've stolen so much money from Americans since the recession...and how he and his benevolent wife started a "community non-profit bank" to share profits with the community. Yeah, motherfucker, it's called a CREDIT UNION. Acts like he fucking invented a concept that's been around for 150 years.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby HI54UNI » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:44 pm

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You're lucky you don't live in Iowa. That dumbass has been on TV since Trump took office. First he was pushing impeachment and now his campaign ads.

I wish I was a billionaire so I could just light money on fire. I read something awhile back about how much money Steyer has spent between backing congressional candidates (virtually none of which one), impeachment, and now his candidacy. The consultants working for him have to be laughing all the way to the bank.


His whole ad was about big bad bankers and how they've stolen so much money from Americans since the recession...and how he and his benevolent wife started a "community non-profit bank" to share profits with the community. Yeah, motherfucker, it's called a CREDIT UNION. Acts like he fucking invented a concept that's been around for 150 years.


Today he rants about climate change and yet he made a big chunk of his money by investing in fossil fuels, particularly coal. :roll:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:57 pm

Deval Patrick getting in? WTF?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:59 pm

Ibanez wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:I saw a presidential ad for a guy yesterday I've NEVER heard of.

Tom Steyer? Who the fuck?

His ads have been plastered all over the Carolina's for months.


The Carolina’s what?


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:01 pm

Ivytalk wrote:Deval Patrick getting in? WTF?


This is what happens when your top three candidates are a borderline senile octogenarian, a near-death octogenarian Socialist, and a Cherokee squaw

Everybody thinks they have a shot


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby BDKJMU » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:09 pm

BDKJMU wrote:Current scorecard: "200+ individuals have filed with the Federal Election Commission to run for president in the Democratic Party primary, as of April 25, 2019".
"the candidates in this section have held public office, been included in a minimum of five independent national polls or have otherwise received substantial coverage
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Announced
Dates they officially declared their candidacy:
1. 11/6/17 Andrew Yang, 44, former CEO Venture for America.
2. 1/11 Tulsi Gabbard, 38, Rep HI 2013-present.
3. 1/12 Julian Castro, 45, Mayor of San Antonio 2009-2014; Sec HUD 2014-2017.
4. 1/21 Kamala Harris, 55, Sen CA 2017-present.
5. 1/28 John Delaney, 56, Rep MD 2013-2019.
6. 1/28 Marianne Williamson, 67, NYT best selling author.
7. 2/1 Spartacus, 50, Mayor Newark, NJ, 2006-2013; Senator NJ 2013-present.
8. 2/9 Pocahontas, 70, Sen MA 2013-present.
9. 2/10 Amy Klochbar, 59, Sen MN, 2007-present.
10. 2/19 Bernie Sanders, 78, Rep VT 91-2007; Sen VT 2007-present.
11. 4/14 Peter Buttigieg, 37, Mayor of South Bend, ND 2012-present, 1st openly gay donk candidate.
12. 3/28 Wayne Messam, 45, Mayor of Miramar, FL, 2015-present.
13. 4/25 Joe Biden, 76, former DE Senator & VP.
14. 5/2 Michael Bennet, 54, Sen CO 2009-present.
15. 5/14 Steve Bullock, 53, Gov Montana 2013-present.
16. 6/22 Joe Sestak, 67, former Navy admiral & Rep PA 2007-2011.
17. 7/9 Tom Steyer, 62, hedge fund manager.
18. 11/14 Duval Patrick, former Gov Mass 2007-2015.

Withdrew:
1. Richard Ojeda, retired Army major & former WV state senator 2016-2019. Announced candidacy 11/11/18, withdrew 1/25.
2. Eric Swalwell, 38, Rep CA 2013-present. Announced candidacy 4/8, withdrew 7/8.
3. Mike Gravel, 89, former AK Senator. Announced candidacy 4/2, withdrew 8/6.
4. John Hickenlooper, 67, Mayor of Denver (2003–2011), Gov of Colorado (2011–2019).Announced candidacy 4/2, withdrew 8/15.
5. Jay Inslee, 68, Gov WA 2013-present. Announced candidacy 3/1, withdrew 8/21.
6. Seth Moulton, 41, Rep MA 2015-current. Announced candidacy 3/1, withdrew 8/23.
7. Kirsten Gillibrand, 52, Rep NY 2007-2009, Sen NY 2009-present. Announced candidacy 1/15, withdrew 8/28.
8. Bill De Blasio, 58, Mayor NYC 2014-present. Announced candidacy 5/16, withdrew 9/20.
9. Tim Ryan, 46, Rep OH 2003-present. Announced candidacy 4/4, withdrew 10/24.
10. Robert O'Rourke, 47, Rep El Paso 2013-2019. Announced candidacy 3/14, withdrew 11/1 .
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Bump. 1st update since 5/16. Added Patrick with expected formal announcement tomorrow. Updated ages also.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby houndawg » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:31 am

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You're lucky you don't live in Iowa. That dumbass has been on TV since Trump took office. First he was pushing impeachment and now his campaign ads.

I wish I was a billionaire so I could just light money on fire. I read something awhile back about how much money Steyer has spent between backing congressional candidates (virtually none of which one), impeachment, and now his candidacy. The consultants working for him have to be laughing all the way to the bank.


His whole ad was about big bad bankers and how they've stolen so much money from Americans since the recession...and how he and his benevolent wife started a "community non-profit bank" to share profits with the community. Yeah, motherfucker, it's called a CREDIT UNION. Acts like he fucking invented a concept that's been around for 150 years.


I think we cab all agree that bankers are parasitic scum, albeit well-dressed.

Move money from this pile to that pile and keep some for yourself. Tough gig.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:39 am

Booker is still in this? Jeez - where has he been the past few months. I haven't heard his name in a while.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:12 am

Ibanez wrote:Booker is still in this? Jeez - where has he been the past few months. I haven't heard his name in a while.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:28 am

Ivytalk wrote:Deval Patrick getting in? WTF?


BTW

We should all embrace the absolute cunt-tacular spectacle of his entry into the race

There are even rumors that Obsma hisself encouraged Patrick to jump in

The rehabilitation of Bain Capital begins now! <me running to git the popcorn>


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

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Support for something and actually making it happen are two different things.

Neither of those things will come to pass in our lifetimes.


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Yes, I realize that. We’ve had this discussion before. And I stand by my assertion that there’s lots of things we have now that started out as “support” for something.



Agree, best not to even get to the has my support stage.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby css75 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:26 am

I need to clarify something here. I voted for Trump last election and will again. Though, I am not enamored by his personality, tweets and other nonsense, the Democrats have not one candidate that comes even close to representing what I stand for, so my options are limited to him. In addition, he has done some good things for the country.




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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:04 pm

css75 wrote:
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Yes, I realize that. We’ve had this discussion before. And I stand by my assertion that there’s lots of things we have now that started out as “support” for something.



Agree, best not to even get to the has my support stage.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:06 pm

css75 wrote:I need to clarify something here. I voted for Trump last election and will again. Though, I am not enamored by his personality, tweets and other nonsense, the Democrats have not one candidate that comes even close to representing what I stand for, so my options are limited to him. In addition, he has done some good things for the country.




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That's the problem. You do have options, even you don't think so.

1) Don't vote
2) Vote 3rd party
3) Vote Democrat


Our system could use a good 3rd Party. The other 2 have such a monopoly on the industry.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:33 pm

Ibanez wrote:
css75 wrote:I need to clarify something here. I voted for Trump last election and will again. Though, I am not enamored by his personality, tweets and other nonsense, the Democrats have not one candidate that comes even close to representing what I stand for, so my options are limited to him. In addition, he has done some good things for the country.




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That's the problem. You do have options, even you don't think so.

1) Don't vote
2) Vote 3rd party
3) Vote Democrat


Our system could use a good 3rd Party. The other 2 have such a monopoly on the industry.


Why would you "not vote"? That's as good as casting a vote for the opponent, with whom you don't agree.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:45 pm

Ibanez wrote:
css75 wrote:

Agree, best not to even get to the has my support stage.


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Honest question - what makes the Republican ideas any better? :coffee:


Depends on what's important to you, I guess.

I believe in/support:

1A rights - can't STAND the PC/cancel culture when you disagree with someone
2A rights - including 50-state concealed carry permits
Importance of strong, secure borders
low taxes/graduated flat tax or national sales tax in lieu of income tax
reduced regulation across the board
Kick out the UN & make NATO countries pay their fair share
Reduced government (including elimination of several departments)
Constitutional support (i.e., not scrubbing the system WRT electoral college, # of judges, etc.)
Climate change - but the answer is not death to capitalism
You borrow it, you pay it back (looking at YOU, student loan borrowers)
Balance budget amendment requirement

Where I diverge from typical "conservative" thought:

Shrink the military (and their mission), including majority of overseas bases
Legalize marijuana nationwide
Don't care what gays do or don't do - bake the fucking cake
Pro choice
Don't care much about any of the social/PC issues (gender, sexuality, bathrooms, etc)

I'm sure there are a few others....honestly the "social" issues carry zero weight with me. As far as I'm concerned, those are just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic if we don't get a few of the other "big" things figured out fairly soon.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CAA Flagship » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:51 pm

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Agree, best not to even get to the has my support stage.


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Honest question - what makes the Republican ideas any better? :coffee:

The ideas from the left. :coffee:

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:53 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Honest question - what makes the Republican ideas any better? :coffee:

The ideas from the left. :coffee:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:57 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:That's the problem. You do have options, even you don't think so.

1) Don't vote
2) Vote 3rd party
3) Vote Democrat


Our system could use a good 3rd Party. The other 2 have such a monopoly on the industry.


Why would you "not vote"? That's as good as casting a vote for the opponent, with whom you don't agree.

Because you have the freedom to. Because you live in a county/state that is going to go for someone you have no intention voting for.

Trump will win York County and South Carolina. What good is my vote for a major party?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby UNI88 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:02 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Honest question - what makes the Republican ideas any better? :coffee:


Depends on what's important to you, I guess.

I believe in/support:

1A rights - can't STAND the PC/cancel culture when you disagree with someone
2A rights - including 50-state concealed carry permits
Importance of strong, secure borders
low taxes/graduated flat tax or national sales tax in lieu of income tax
reduced regulation across the board
Kick out the UN & make NATO countries pay their fair share
Reduced government (including elimination of several departments)
Constitutional support (i.e., not scrubbing the system WRT electoral college, # of judges, etc.)
Climate change - but the answer is not death to capitalism
You borrow it, you pay it back (looking at YOU, student loan borrowers)
Balance budget amendment requirement

Where I diverge from typical "conservative" thought:

Shrink the military (and their mission), including majority of overseas bases
Legalize marijuana nationwide
Don't care what gays do or don't do - bake the fucking cake
Pro choice
Don't care much about any of the social/PC issues (gender, sexuality, bathrooms, etc)

I'm sure there are a few others....honestly the "social" issues carry zero weight with me. As far as I'm concerned, those are just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic if we don't get a few of the other "big" things figured out fairly soon.


:thumb: I'm not a gun person so concealed carry isn't a big issue for me but I support it.

Do we need to kick the UN out? Can't we just move them to rural West Virginia or Wyoming?

Pro's: frees up some prime real estate for tax producing development; creates jobs in (what I assume is) an economically depressed state - both short-term construction jobs and long-term employment; might give 93 a place to ply his trade in a gun-friendly state (the UN has to purchase sh!t too); will save member countries a sh!t ton of money in rental, F&B and entertainment costs; pisses off the delegations who like to partake of all that NYC has to offer.

Con's: are there any?

AOC should be all over this. Having the UN is NYC is worse then Amazon.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:05 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Honest question - what makes the Republican ideas any better? :coffee:


Depends on what's important to you, I guess.

I believe in/support:

1A rights - can't STAND the PC/cancel culture when you disagree with someone
2A rights - including 50-state concealed carry permits
Importance of strong, secure borders
low taxes/graduated flat tax or national sales tax in lieu of income tax
reduced regulation across the board
Kick out the UN & make NATO countries pay their fair share
Reduced government (including elimination of several departments)
Constitutional support (i.e., not scrubbing the system WRT electoral college, # of judges, etc.)
Climate change - but the answer is not death to capitalism
You borrow it, you pay it back (looking at YOU, student loan borrowers)
Balance budget amendment requirement

Where I diverge from typical "conservative" thought:

Shrink the military (and their mission), including majority of overseas bases
Legalize marijuana nationwide
Don't care what gays do or don't do - bake the fucking cake
Pro choice
Don't care much about any of the social/PC issues (gender, sexuality, bathrooms, etc)

I'm sure there are a few others....honestly the "social" issues carry zero weight with me. As far as I'm concerned, those are just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic if we don't get a few of the other "big" things figured out fairly soon.


You'd be surprised to read this but we agree. Especially on reducing the government (i'm looking at you Dept.of Education). The size of government is a huge issue with me, probably from my years in the defense industry.

I was raised in a conservative house and still hold on to those ideas. But I vote for the person. Not the party. Party be damned. :nod:
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