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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:15 pm

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CID1990 wrote:especially if the LP nominates a nut


been keeping tabs on the South Carolina Libertarian Party debate? :lol:

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I’ve been following Kim Ruff and her running mate, John Phillips. They seem like solid, sane Libertarians to me.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:18 pm

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Skjellyfetti wrote:
been keeping tabs on the South Carolina Libertarian Party debate? :lol:

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I’ve been following Kim Ruff and her running mate, John Phillips. They seem like solid, sane Libertarians to me.

Go back to your own party’s bag of nutjobs, Reek.


I was going to say that Vermin should be running in the Dem primaries... he says everyone has a right to a free pony.

That will get you more Dem votes than Libertarian ones


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby 89Hen » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:39 am

So nothing on the debate last night? Mrs and I actually watched most of it. Was better than the first debates IMO. My take...

Winners: Mayor Pete, Yang, Klobuchar, Harris

Losers: Biden, Sanders , Warren, Booker

Meh: Gabbard, Steyer

Mrs89 watched the end from bed, so it was still on MSNBC when I walked in. They had Michael Moore on. He's so out of touch. :rofl:

Black woman commentator (no idea who she was) said it was clear that the two big winners were... Harris and Booker, shocker. I'm not saying that the GOP is going to win the black vote, but I'm guessing extremely low turnout if Harris doesn't get the nom or VP. Booker threw up a hail mary last night pointing out he was not on the December debate. Looked very weak.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:56 am

89Hen wrote:So nothing on the debate last night? Mrs and I actually watched most of it. Was better than the first debates IMO. My take...

Winners: Mayor Pete, Yang, Klobuchar, Harris

Losers: Biden, Sanders , Warren, Booker

Meh: Gabbard, Steyer

Mrs89 watched the end from bed, so it was still on MSNBC when I walked in. They had Michael Moore on. He's so out of touch. :rofl:

Black woman commentator (no idea who she was) said it was clear that the two big winners were... Harris and Booker, shocker. I'm not saying that the GOP is going to win the black vote, but I'm guessing extremely low turnout if Harris doesn't get the nom or VP. Booker threw up a hail mary last night pointing out he was not on the December debate. Looked very weak.


early news this morning said Pete won big and that Gabbard floundered.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby GannonFan » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:56 pm

Who would Mayor Pete bring on as the VP if he does win the nomination? Do you think he would have to go with Harris as a nod to the woman and minority vote? Would she be too young and too inexperienced for the role? Does he go with Biden for the experience and just bring Harris in after the election if Biden's health fails him?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Skjellyfetti » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:27 pm

Buttigieg/Amash 2020 ;)
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:48 pm

89Hen wrote:So nothing on the debate last night? Mrs and I actually watched most of it. Was better than the first debates IMO. My take...

Winners: Mayor Pete, Yang, Klobuchar, Harris

Losers: Biden, Sanders , Warren, Booker

Meh: Gabbard, Steyer

Mrs89 watched the end from bed, so it was still on MSNBC when I walked in. They had Michael Moore on. He's so out of touch. :rofl:

Black woman commentator (no idea who she was) said it was clear that the two big winners were... Harris and Booker, shocker. I'm not saying that the GOP is going to win the black vote, but I'm guessing extremely low turnout if Harris doesn't get the nom or VP. Booker threw up a hail mary last night pointing out he was not on the December debate. Looked very weak.


Wait a minute...so you’re telling me you found the center right candidates more appealing? :shock:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:51 pm

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote:So nothing on the debate last night? Mrs and I actually watched most of it. Was better than the first debates IMO. My take...

Winners: Mayor Pete, Yang, Klobuchar, Harris

Losers: Biden, Sanders , Warren, Booker

Meh: Gabbard, Steyer

Mrs89 watched the end from bed, so it was still on MSNBC when I walked in. They had Michael Moore on. He's so out of touch. :rofl:

Black woman commentator (no idea who she was) said it was clear that the two big winners were... Harris and Booker, shocker. I'm not saying that the GOP is going to win the black vote, but I'm guessing extremely low turnout if Harris doesn't get the nom or VP. Booker threw up a hail mary last night pointing out he was not on the December debate. Looked very weak.


Wait a minute...so you’re telling me you found the center right candidates more appealing? :shock:


There's nothing center/right about any of those candidates. Biden is the furthest "right" of that group, and he's moved solidly left from Obama's administration in the past 3 years.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby 89Hen » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:59 pm

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote:So nothing on the debate last night? Mrs and I actually watched most of it. Was better than the first debates IMO. My take...

Winners: Mayor Pete, Yang, Klobuchar, Harris

Losers: Biden, Sanders , Warren, Booker

Meh: Gabbard, Steyer

Mrs89 watched the end from bed, so it was still on MSNBC when I walked in. They had Michael Moore on. He's so out of touch. :rofl:

Black woman commentator (no idea who she was) said it was clear that the two big winners were... Harris and Booker, shocker. I'm not saying that the GOP is going to win the black vote, but I'm guessing extremely low turnout if Harris doesn't get the nom or VP. Booker threw up a hail mary last night pointing out he was not on the December debate. Looked very weak.


Wait a minute...so you’re telling me you found the center right candidates more appealing? :shock:

FTR, none of them are appealing to me. I'm just giving you who I think won or lost based on their performance. Biden proved once again he has not aged well. Warren and Sanders offered nothing new and nothing of substance. Booker honestly sounded like a pussy last night, especially in his closing statements where he came across as asking for sympathy votes to get him on the December roster.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby GannonFan » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:15 pm

There's zero momentum for Warren and Sanders at this point, and Biden looks like he's aged another 5 years with every debate. There's a reason why there's a panic and guys like Bloomberg and Patrick are getting into the race - I'm not sure the top 3 can beat Trump at this point. Mayor Pete, I think, has a chance, but kalm probably doesn't like that he's been pivoting to the right (relatively speaking) since it became clear Biden may not even make it to the general election. Impeachment isn't helping much in this, as with all things Trump, it's sucking the air out of the room and leaving little for the potential nominees to use to their own advantage.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:54 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Buttigieg/Amash 2020 ;)


That would guarantee my vote. Best ticket since Reagan Bush

You’d see conservative groups analogous to the Reagan Democrats if that ticket happened


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Pwns » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:11 pm

Don't get the appeal of Buttgig. He seems like kind of an Obama-esque empty suit to me. Maybe he's just the default guy to latch onto for white people who find Joe too goofy and Bernie and Lizzie too radical?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:22 pm

Pwns wrote:Don't get the appeal of Buttgig. He seems like kind of an Obama-esque empty suit to me. Maybe he's just the default guy to latch onto for white people who find Joe too goofy and Bernie and Lizzie too radical?


He’s a centrist in several areas and where he isn’t, he won’t get anything done.

I’m just happy Warren is fading. I can stomach Boot Edge Edge. Bernie doesn’t have a prayer and Biden is just about done.

And Trump has served his purpose for those of us who aren’t in knee-jerk opposition to each and every one of his policies. The one thing I’d like to see continue is the tough stance on China. I don’t thing BEE would ease up on that, so we’re good there, I think.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:03 pm

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Pwns wrote:Don't get the appeal of Buttgig. He seems like kind of an Obama-esque empty suit to me. Maybe he's just the default guy to latch onto for white people who find Joe too goofy and Bernie and Lizzie too radical?


He’s a centrist in several areas and where he isn’t, he won’t get anything done.

I’m just happy Warren is fading. I can stomach Boot Edge Edge. Bernie doesn’t have a prayer and Biden is just about done.

And Trump has served his purpose for those of us who aren’t in knee-jerk opposition to each and every one of his policies. The one thing I’d like to see continue is the tough stance on China. I don’t thing BEE would ease up on that, so we’re good there, I think.


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Butticheek’s economic policies are pretty far to the left. I don’t see any consistent libertarian basis to vote for the guy.

There is a pretty strong debate going on in the LP between those who are open to accepting certain Donks on cannabis/social issues/4th Amendment grounds and those who aren’t.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:12 am

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CID1990 wrote:
He’s a centrist in several areas and where he isn’t, he won’t get anything done.

I’m just happy Warren is fading. I can stomach Boot Edge Edge. Bernie doesn’t have a prayer and Biden is just about done.

And Trump has served his purpose for those of us who aren’t in knee-jerk opposition to each and every one of his policies. The one thing I’d like to see continue is the tough stance on China. I don’t thing BEE would ease up on that, so we’re good there, I think.


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Butticheek’s economic policies are pretty far to the left. I don’t see any consistent libertarian basis to vote for the guy.

There is a pretty strong debate going on in the LP between those who are open to accepting certain Donks on cannabis/social issues/4th Amendment grounds and those who aren’t.


On his own? No I couldn’t vote for him, either.

But with Amash in his ear? I could do that.

But it is just a thought exercise - it’ll never happen. Or could it?


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby houndawg » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:25 am

GannonFan wrote:There's zero momentum for Warren and Sanders at this point, and Biden looks like he's aged another 5 years with every debate. There's a reason why there's a panic and guys like Bloomberg and Patrick are getting into the race - I'm not sure the top 3 can beat Trump at this point. Mayor Pete, I think, has a chance, but kalm probably doesn't like that he's been pivoting to the right (relatively speaking) since it became clear Biden may not even make it to the general election. Impeachment isn't helping much in this, as with all things Trump, it's sucking the air out of the room and leaving little for the potential nominees to use to their own advantage.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:19 am

GannonFan wrote:There's zero momentum for Warren and Sanders at this point, and Biden looks like he's aged another 5 years with every debate. There's a reason why there's a panic and guys like Bloomberg and Patrick are getting into the race - I'm not sure the top 3 can beat Trump at this point. Mayor Pete, I think, has a chance, but kalm probably doesn't like that he's been pivoting to the right (relatively speaking) since it became clear Biden may not even make it to the general election. Impeachment isn't helping much in this, as with all things Trump, it's sucking the air out of the room and leaving little for the potential nominees to use to their own advantage.


Butti is another supplemental insurance policy for the establishment. Gay veteran economic status quo seems like a winning combo. He’s rhetorically a classic politician and his obvious sincerity and willingness to not take a stand appeal to fundamentalist independents. :nod:

In other words...what Houndy said ^^^^^^^^

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:21 am

Pwns wrote:Don't get the appeal of Buttgig. He seems like kind of an Obama-esque empty suit to me. Maybe he's just the default guy to latch onto for white people who find Joe too goofy and Bernie and Lizzie too radical?


Also this.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby GannonFan » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:38 am

kalm wrote:
GannonFan wrote:There's zero momentum for Warren and Sanders at this point, and Biden looks like he's aged another 5 years with every debate. There's a reason why there's a panic and guys like Bloomberg and Patrick are getting into the race - I'm not sure the top 3 can beat Trump at this point. Mayor Pete, I think, has a chance, but kalm probably doesn't like that he's been pivoting to the right (relatively speaking) since it became clear Biden may not even make it to the general election. Impeachment isn't helping much in this, as with all things Trump, it's sucking the air out of the room and leaving little for the potential nominees to use to their own advantage.


Butti is another supplemental insurance policy for the establishment. Gay veteran economic status quo seems like a winning combo. He’s rhetorically a classic politician and his obvious sincerity and willingness to not take a stand appeal to fundamentalist independents. :nod:

In other words...what Houndy said ^^^^^^^^

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He's really helped by having Warren and Sanders in the race - when you stand next to extreme radicalism, you tend to look decent by comparison. Oh, and he's young, so Biden's advancing age helps Pete in that regard too.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:12 am

GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Butti is another supplemental insurance policy for the establishment. Gay veteran economic status quo seems like a winning combo. He’s rhetorically a classic politician and his obvious sincerity and willingness to not take a stand appeal to fundamentalist independents. :nod:

In other words...what Houndy said ^^^^^^^^

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He's really helped by having Warren and Sanders in the race - when you stand next to extreme radicalism, you tend to look decent by comparison. Oh, and he's young, so Biden's advancing age helps Pete in that regard too.


“Extreme radicalism”.... :lol:

You sound like Chris Matthews the other night chastising Bernie for suggesting our system is corrupt.

Following is comforting. :nod:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:35 am

kalm wrote:
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He's really helped by having Warren and Sanders in the race - when you stand next to extreme radicalism, you tend to look decent by comparison. Oh, and he's young, so Biden's advancing age helps Pete in that regard too.


“Extreme radicalism”.... :lol:

You sound like Chris Matthews the other night chastising Bernie for suggesting our system is corrupt.

Following is comforting. :nod:


On the political scale, they ARE extreme from the norm. Maybe not to YOU, but they are. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:46 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
“Extreme radicalism”.... :lol:

You sound like Chris Matthews the other night chastising Bernie for suggesting our system is corrupt.

Following is comforting. :nod:


On the political scale, they ARE extreme from the norm. Maybe not to YOU, but they are. :nod: :nod: :nod:


On what political scale?

The establishment media political scale? Sure and that’s my drum.

Polling of voters on the issues? Nope.

Economic history? Nope.

Compared to the rest of the Western world? Nope.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby GannonFan » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:10 am

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
On the political scale, they ARE extreme from the norm. Maybe not to YOU, but they are. :nod: :nod: :nod:


On what political scale?

The establishment media political scale? Sure and that’s my drum.

Polling of voters on the issues? Nope.

Economic history? Nope.

Compared to the rest of the Western world? Nope.


On the "how they do in elections in this country" scale. I know, that's far too practical and mundane for you, but it is what it is. :coffee:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby UNI88 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:23 am

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
On the political scale, they ARE extreme from the norm. Maybe not to YOU, but they are. :nod: :nod: :nod:


On what political scale?

The establishment media political scale? Sure and that’s my drum.

Polling of voters on the issues? Nope.

Economic history? Nope.

Compared to the rest of the Western world? Nope.


I think the polling flips if you tell people how much their taxes are going to increase in order to pay for all of that "free" sh!t that Warren and Sanders are proposing.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby kalm » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:55 pm

UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:
On what political scale?

The establishment media political scale? Sure and that’s my drum.

Polling of voters on the issues? Nope.

Economic history? Nope.

Compared to the rest of the Western world? Nope.


I think the polling flips if you tell people how much their taxes are going to increase in order to pay for all of that "free" sh!t that Warren and Sanders are proposing.


It might. Especially when you don’t tell them they’ll pay about half of what they currently spend on annual premiums, prescriptions, and basic care making it a net positive gain.
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