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Re: RE: Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby kalm » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:15 am

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They’re feudalistic communazis...

Duh!


Hey, when people don't have a historical understanding of what any these terms even mean, then of course the GOP can be "feudalistic communazis". :coffee:


OK...how about neo-feudalistic reverse mercantilists? :)
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:21 am

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
If there’s not a meaningful 3rd party candidate stealing votes from him you may see the popular vote be a lot closer this time, and some of those states won’t be as close as they were in ‘16. Every single person I know who voted 3rd party (which is almost everyone I know that’s not a hardcore donk) is voting Trump this time because of the kooks being put forward by the communist party.

course, that all depends on whether or not we get the desired (from the left and JSO) recession prior to November of ‘20. If that happens, all bets are off.


Yeah! You guys show them commies and vote for Trump THIS time around! :rofl:

(Now that you’ve had time to see him in action)

This is our system in a nutshell. :clap:


I WILL vote for him this time around. I'd love NOT to, but I have to, and it's because the Dems have gone full fucking retard with their slate of candidates and their wacko positions:

Blatant embracing of full-on socialism
Identity politics EVERYWHERE
EVERYTHING is racist if you deign to disagree
Open borders/banning ICE
Gun confiscation/mandatory buybacks
Reparations for African Americans
Reparations for LGBQT
Cancelling all student debt
free everything for illegals
voting rights for illegals
Hatred of the flag and all it represents
post-birth abortion ok but godforfuckingbid you break an eagle's egg (5 years in prison)
sanctuary cities (where they openly shit in the streets)
labeling NRA as a terrorist organization (while ignoring organizations that systematically kill millions)
banning straws & 32 oz sodas because they know what's best for you
universal healthcare
zero fossil fuel emissions requirement (with zero understanding of how battery power is generated)
Supporting green new deal to bankrupt the country
Embracing ANTIFA

I'll take crazy Donald Trump and his dumb tweets over all this every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby kalm » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:34 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Yeah! You guys show them commies and vote for Trump THIS time around! :rofl:

(Now that you’ve had time to see him in action)

This is our system in a nutshell. :clap:


I WILL vote for him this time around. I'd love NOT to, but I have to, and it's because the Dems have gone full fucking retard with their slate of candidates and their wacko positions:

Blatant embracing of full-on socialism
Identity politics EVERYWHERE
EVERYTHING is racist if you deign to disagree
Open borders/banning ICE
Gun confiscation/mandatory buybacks
Reparations for African Americans
Reparations for LGBQT
Cancelling all student debt
free everything for illegals
voting rights for illegals
Hatred of the flag and all it represents
post-birth abortion ok but godforfuckingbid you break an eagle's egg (5 years in prison)
sanctuary cities (where they openly shit in the streets)
labeling NRA as a terrorist organization (while ignoring organizations that systematically kill millions)
banning straws & 32 oz sodas because they know what's best for you
universal healthcare
zero fossil fuel emissions requirement (with zero understanding of how battery power is generated)
Supporting green new deal to bankrupt the country
Embracing ANTIFA

I'll take crazy Donald Trump and his dumb tweets over all this every day of the week and twice on Sundays.


You keep posting these lists like they're accurate, meaningful, and that 1/10th of the items have a snowballs chance of getting implemented. (pst...it's a primary where the candidates pander to the base...think Obama bringing troops home from Afghanistan, installing single payer, and taking it to those bastards on Wall Street :lol: )

Look at all those Dem candidates embracing ANTIFA and hating on the flag! :hide:

Quit being such a hack. You're better than this. :ohno:
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby css75 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:36 am

mainejeff2 wrote:It's laughable that some on here refer to the Democratic Party as "Communist". That would be totally the Republican Party!

Yes....Republicans cancelling primaries so that challengers to Dictator Trump have no chance to beat him for the Republican nomination. Not only that but rigging the system so that businesses, orgs and individuals that line the pockets of Republican politicians are rewarded with political favors and financial gain.

The Republican Party IS the American Communist Party. :nod: :nod: :nod: :thumb:

:coffee:



Let’s not get dramatic, both parties have cancelled primaries when they have the incumbent.


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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby Ibanez » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:40 am

css75 wrote:
mainejeff2 wrote:It's laughable that some on here refer to the Democratic Party as "Communist". That would be totally the Republican Party!

Yes....Republicans cancelling primaries so that challengers to Dictator Trump have no chance to beat him for the Republican nomination. Not only that but rigging the system so that businesses, orgs and individuals that line the pockets of Republican politicians are rewarded with political favors and financial gain.

The Republican Party IS the American Communist Party. :nod: :nod: :nod: :thumb:

:coffee:



Let’s not get dramatic, both parties have cancelled primaries when they have the incumbent.


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Honest question b/c I don't know the answer but were there people opposing the incumbent in those situations?
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:16 am

kalm wrote:You keep posting these lists like they're accurate, meaningful, and that 1/10th of the items have a snowballs chance of getting implemented. (pst...it's a primary where the candidates pander to the base...think Obama bringing troops home from Afghanistan, installing single payer, and taking it to those bastards on Wall Street :lol: )

Stances are stances. Most of what Z posted came directly from their mouths. Whether they have a chance of passing or not, they've said it and I'm taking them at face value that they would pass them if they could.
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby kalm » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:25 am

89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:You keep posting these lists like they're accurate, meaningful, and that 1/10th of the items have a snowballs chance of getting implemented. (pst...it's a primary where the candidates pander to the base...think Obama bringing troops home from Afghanistan, installing single payer, and taking it to those bastards on Wall Street :lol: )

Stances are stances. Most of what Z posted came directly from their mouths. Whether they have a chance of passing or not, they've said it and I'm taking them at face value that they would pass them if they could.


Really? Well then start posting direct quotes. You can begin with:

Candidates who have stated they support open borders.

Who want to bankrupt the country.

Free everything fire all illegals.

Embraced Antifa.

Hatred of the flag....

Post the quotes...”directly from their mouths”.

Prove that MOST of them have.

I’ll check your progress in a couple of hours. Godspeed!
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:18 am

Blatant embracing of full-on socialism


Identity politics EVERYWHERE


Open borders/banning ICE


Gun confiscation/mandatory buybacks


Reparations for African Americans


Reparations for LGBQT
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Cancelling all student debt


free everything for illegals


post-birth abortion ok but godforfuckingbid you break an eagle's egg (5 years in prison)


sanctuary cities (where they openly shit in the streets)
This is more on the local level. POTUS candidates are terrified to speak up on it.

banning straws & 32 oz sodas because they know what's best for you


universal healthcare
See above

zero fossil fuel emissions requirement (with zero understanding of how battery power is generated)


Supporting green new deal to bankrupt the country
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby dbackjon » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:26 am

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I WILL vote for him this time around. I'd love NOT to, but I have to, and it's because the Dems have gone full fucking retard with their slate of candidates and their wacko positions:

Blatant embracing of full-on socialism
Identity politics EVERYWHERE
EVERYTHING is racist if you deign to disagree
Open borders/banning ICE
Gun confiscation/mandatory buybacks
Reparations for African Americans
Reparations for LGBQT
Cancelling all student debt
free everything for illegals
voting rights for illegals
Hatred of the flag and all it represents
post-birth abortion ok but godforfuckingbid you break an eagle's egg (5 years in prison)
sanctuary cities (where they openly shit in the streets)
labeling NRA as a terrorist organization (while ignoring organizations that systematically kill millions)
banning straws & 32 oz sodas because they know what's best for you
universal healthcare
zero fossil fuel emissions requirement (with zero understanding of how battery power is generated)
Supporting green new deal to bankrupt the country
Embracing ANTIFA

I'll take crazy Donald Trump and his dumb tweets over all this every day of the week and twice on Sundays.


You keep posting these lists like they're accurate, meaningful, and that 1/10th of the items have a snowballs chance of getting implemented. (pst...it's a primary where the candidates pander to the base...think Obama bringing troops home from Afghanistan, installing single payer, and taking it to those bastards on Wall Street :lol: )

Look at all those Dem candidates embracing ANTIFA and hating on the flag! :hide:

Quit being such a hack. You're better than this. :ohno:



You are just figuring out that Z is a card-carrying GOP hack?
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby Ivytalk » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:09 am

dbackjon wrote:
kalm wrote:
You keep posting these lists like they're accurate, meaningful, and that 1/10th of the items have a snowballs chance of getting implemented. (pst...it's a primary where the candidates pander to the base...think Obama bringing troops home from Afghanistan, installing single payer, and taking it to those bastards on Wall Street :lol: )

Look at all those Dem candidates embracing ANTIFA and hating on the flag! :hide:

Quit being such a hack. You're better than this. :ohno:



You are just figuring out that Z is a card-carrying GOP hack?

Pretty rich, coming from a card-carrying Democrat hack. :lol:
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby GannonFan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:41 pm

You know, on my work computer I can't see half the stuff that 89 just posted in response to kalmie calling him out, but it's like when you try to challenge 89 and say that computer polls are just superior to the human polls - you're going to get one heckuva retort.
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

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89Hen wrote:Blatant embracing of full-on socialism


Identity politics EVERYWHERE


Open borders/banning ICE


Gun confiscation/mandatory buybacks


Reparations for African Americans


Reparations for LGBQT
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Cancelling all student debt


free everything for illegals


post-birth abortion ok but godforfuckingbid you break an eagle's egg (5 years in prison)


sanctuary cities (where they openly shit in the streets)
This is more on the local level. POTUS candidates are terrified to speak up on it.

banning straws & 32 oz sodas because they know what's best for you


universal healthcare
See above

zero fossil fuel emissions requirement (with zero understanding of how battery power is generated)


Supporting green new deal to bankrupt the country


Fucking mic drop. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:46 pm

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote:Stances are stances. Most of what Z posted came directly from their mouths. Whether they have a chance of passing or not, they've said it and I'm taking them at face value that they would pass them if they could.


Really? Well then start posting direct quotes. You can begin with:

Candidates who have stated they support open borders.

Who want to bankrupt the country.

Free everything fire all illegals.

Embraced Antifa.

Hatred of the flag....

Post the quotes...”directly from their mouths”.

Prove that MOST of them have.

I’ll check your progress in a couple of hours. Godspeed!


Your move, Myron. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby css75 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:50 pm

Nice work hen, but I have to admit that was like an uncontested layup, a 3 inch putt, shooting from 10 feet at an empty net.


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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby kalm » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:25 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Really? Well then start posting direct quotes. You can begin with:

Candidates who have stated they support open borders.

Who want to bankrupt the country.

Free everything fire all illegals.

Embraced Antifa.

Hatred of the flag....

Post the quotes...”directly from their mouths”.

Prove that MOST of them have.

I’ll check your progress in a couple of hours. Godspeed!


Your move, Myron. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:


Bitch, please. You expect me to wade through 9:00 minutes of Bernie or Gildebrand video to find an OPINION you or 89Mchackfest disagree with?

Do the homework assignment I gave you and start with the first points I suggested. If you're too lazy like 89 and just want to post random videos, refer to the start time in the video that supports your assertion that (EG) one of these candidates stated they "want to bankrupt the country".

Once you're done, prove that a majority of your assertions are true.

I'm reasonable and will admit it if I'm wrong. This should be easy for you. :thumb:

Gitty up! :clap:
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:28 pm

dbackjon wrote:
kalm wrote:
You keep posting these lists like they're accurate, meaningful, and that 1/10th of the items have a snowballs chance of getting implemented. (pst...it's a primary where the candidates pander to the base...think Obama bringing troops home from Afghanistan, installing single payer, and taking it to those bastards on Wall Street :lol: )

Look at all those Dem candidates embracing ANTIFA and hating on the flag! :hide:

Quit being such a hack. You're better than this. :ohno:



You are just figuring out that Z is a card-carrying GOP hack?


Such a GOP hack that in the 10 presidential elections I've been able to vote in I've voted 3rd party in 4 of them.

Can you say the same? I'd bet not.
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby JohnStOnge » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:24 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
If there’s not a meaningful 3rd party candidate stealing votes from him you may see the popular vote be a lot closer this time, and some of those states won’t be as close as they were in ‘16. Every single person I know who voted 3rd party (which is almost everyone I know that’s not a hardcore donk) is voting Trump this time because of the kooks being put forward by the communist party.

course, that all depends on whether or not we get the desired (from the left and JSO) recession prior to November of ‘20. If that happens, all bets are off.


We'll see. I think if it develops into the situation you describe we'll see it reflected in the polls. Right now I don't think it's working out that way.

Trump actually won Independents nationally by an estimated 46% to 42%. The ABC News/Washington Post poll I view as the Gold Standard came out today and it has his Approval/Disapproval numbers among Independents at 36% Approve vs. 58% Disapprove. When it comes to Independents who feel strongly, it's 23% Strongly Approve vs. 49% Strongly Disapprove.

I think it's always a mistake to base things on how people you know are responding. If I'd gone on the basis of people I know in 2016 I'd have said that somewhere around half of Republicans would have refused to vote for Trump in 2016.

But I didn't because I could see from the polls that Clinton was not a lock at all. I could see that, in spite of what I was seeing in my personal sphere, somewhere around 90% of Republicans would sacrifice their integrity and vote for Trump.
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:33 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
If there’s not a meaningful 3rd party candidate stealing votes from him you may see the popular vote be a lot closer this time, and some of those states won’t be as close as they were in ‘16. Every single person I know who voted 3rd party (which is almost everyone I know that’s not a hardcore donk) is voting Trump this time because of the kooks being put forward by the communist party.

course, that all depends on whether or not we get the desired (from the left and JSO) recession prior to November of ‘20. If that happens, all bets are off.


We'll see. I think if it develops into the situation you describe we'll see it reflected in the polls. Right now I don't think it's working out that way.

Trump actually won Independents nationally by an estimated 46% to 42%. The ABC News/Washington Post poll I view as the Gold Standard came out today and it has his Approval/Disapproval numbers among Independents at 36% Approve vs. 58% Disapprove. When it comes to Independents who feel strongly, it's 23% Strongly Approve vs. 49% Strongly Disapprove.

I think it's always a mistake to base things on how people you know are responding. If I'd gone on the basis of people I know in 2016 I'd have said that somewhere around half of Republicans would have refused to vote for Trump in 2016.

But I didn't because I could see from the polls that Clinton was not a lock at all. I could see that, in spite of what I was seeing in my personal sphere, somewhere around 90% of Republicans would sacrifice their integrity and vote for Trump.


Yes, dear. I understand the concept of anecdotal evidence. Unfortunately, my polling capabilities are a little lacking at the moment.
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:34 pm

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Your move, Myron. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:


Bitch, please. You expect me to wade through 9:00 minutes of Bernie or Gildebrand video to find an OPINION you or 89Mchackfest disagree with?

Do the homework assignment I gave you and start with the first points I suggested. If you're too lazy like 89 and just want to post random videos, refer to the start time in the video that supports your assertion that (EG) one of these candidates stated they "want to bankrupt the country".

Once you're done, prove that a majority of your assertions are true.

I'm reasonable and will admit it if I'm wrong. This should be easy for you. :thumb:

Gitty up! :clap:


So, ignorant AND lazy. Gotcha. :coffee: :coffee: :suspicious:
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kalm wrote:I'm reasonable and will admit it if I'm wrong.

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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

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JohnStOnge wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
If there’s not a meaningful 3rd party candidate stealing votes from him you may see the popular vote be a lot closer this time, and some of those states won’t be as close as they were in ‘16. Every single person I know who voted 3rd party (which is almost everyone I know that’s not a hardcore donk) is voting Trump this time because of the kooks being put forward by the communist party.

course, that all depends on whether or not we get the desired (from the left and JSO) recession prior to November of ‘20. If that happens, all bets are off.


We'll see. I think if it develops into the situation you describe we'll see it reflected in the polls. Right now I don't think it's working out that way.

Trump actually won Independents nationally by an estimated 46% to 42%. The ABC News/Washington Post poll I view as the Gold Standard came out today and it has his Approval/Disapproval numbers among Independents at 36% Approve vs. 58% Disapprove. When it comes to Independents who feel strongly, it's 23% Strongly Approve vs. 49% Strongly Disapprove.

I think it's always a mistake to base things on how people you know are responding. If I'd gone on the basis of people I know in 2016 I'd have said that somewhere around half of Republicans would have refused to vote for Trump in 2016.

But I didn't because I could see from the polls that Clinton was not a lock at all. I could see that, in spite of what I was seeing in my personal sphere, somewhere around 90% of Republicans would sacrifice their integrity and vote for Trump.



Why are you worried about this now? The election is over a year away, and primaries are still several months out.

I am not sacrificing my integrity and voting for a Socialist/Communist. Maybe you want to live in a Socialist paradise, but I want a free market state.


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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby kalm » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:15 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Bitch, please. You expect me to wade through 9:00 minutes of Bernie or Gildebrand video to find an OPINION you or 89Mchackfest disagree with?

Do the homework assignment I gave you and start with the first points I suggested. If you're too lazy like 89 and just want to post random videos, refer to the start time in the video that supports your assertion that (EG) one of these candidates stated they "want to bankrupt the country".

Once you're done, prove that a majority of your assertions are true.

I'm reasonable and will admit it if I'm wrong. This should be easy for you. :thumb:

Gitty up! :clap:


So, ignorant AND lazy. Gotcha. :coffee: :coffee: :suspicious:


This EXACTLY what I thought your response would be. :nod:

Thank you. :thumb:
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:05 pm

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
So, ignorant AND lazy. Gotcha. :coffee: :coffee: :suspicious:


This EXACTLY what I thought your response would be. :nod:

Thank you. :thumb:


You’re welcome. Glad I wasn’t breaking news to you. :lol:

Let me put it this way: You’d have to be living under a rock (or in Spokompton, apparently) to NOT know that every one of those things I listed has been stated, and/or repeated by multiple dem presidential candidates over the past 18 months. Every single one.

I know that. You know that. I know you know that. You’re just being difficult or lazy with the sudden need for MORE proof that they’re all batshit crazy socialists.
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby houndawg » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:59 am

GannonFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :lol: You're just blissfully ignorant to the facts.


The Democrats complicitness in 2016 that resulted in us having Trump as President is astounding. The lionization of the Clintons during that coronation and the steamrolling of the democratic process to get there, along with the Clintons likely being just as dirty and corrupt as Trump, were the perfect storm that needed to happen to have someone like Trump slip through and win the election. As kooky as Bernie was/is he'd have still won that election just because he would've been the only non-criminal on the ballot. As long as Trump runs again in 2020, his election defeat is almost a sure thing because the Dems will not short circuit the process this time and a legitimate candidate will emerge from that process who will be an easy-to-vote-for compared to Trump. Should've done that in 2016 and saved all of us the trouble. :coffee:


Isn't there some statute to limitations that he needs to wait out in office?
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Re: 2020 Republican Primary Thread

Postby BDKJMU » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:56 pm

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I WILL vote for him this time around. I'd love NOT to, but I have to, and it's because the Dems have gone full fucking retard with their slate of candidates and their wacko positions:

Blatant embracing of full-on socialism
Identity politics EVERYWHERE
EVERYTHING is racist if you deign to disagree
Open borders/banning ICE
Gun confiscation/mandatory buybacks
Reparations for African Americans
Reparations for LGBQT
Cancelling all student debt
free everything for illegals
voting rights for illegals
Hatred of the flag and all it represents
post-birth abortion ok but godforfuckingbid you break an eagle's egg (5 years in prison)
sanctuary cities (where they openly shit in the streets)
labeling NRA as a terrorist organization (while ignoring organizations that systematically kill millions)
banning straws & 32 oz sodas because they know what's best for you
universal healthcare
zero fossil fuel emissions requirement (with zero understanding of how battery power is generated)
Supporting green new deal to bankrupt the country
Embracing ANTIFA

I'll take crazy Donald Trump and his dumb tweets over all this every day of the week and twice on Sundays.


You keep posting these lists like they're accurate, meaningful, and that 1/10th of the items have a snowballs chance of getting implemented. (pst...it's a primary where the candidates pander to the base...think Obama bringing troops home from Afghanistan, installing single payer, and taking it to those bastards on Wall Street :lol: )

Look at all those Dem candidates embracing ANTIFA and hating on the flag! :hide:

Quit being such a hack. You're better than this. :ohno:

Oh really? Obama in 2008:
„The Afghan government needs to do more. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism," Obama said Sunday on CBS' "Face the Nation."

"I think one of the biggest mistakes we've made strategically after 9/11 was to fail to finish the job here, focus our attention here. We got distracted by Iraq," he said.

Obama said troop levels must increase in Afghanistan.

"For at least a year now, I have called for two additional brigades, perhaps three," he told CBS. "I think it's very important that we unify command more effectively to coordinate our military activities. But military alone is not going to be enough."....“
https://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/20 ... ghanistan/

Obama promised single payer during the 2008 donk primary or the general? Got a link for that? Because all I can find is he called for it in 03‘ but didn‘t advocate it during the donk primary..

The current leading donks are running WAY left of where Obama ran in the 2008 donk primary. Heck, he was even against gay marriage in 2008..


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