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The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:58 am
by kalm
Interesting and semi surprising take on political history.
One of the most durable myths in recent history is that the religious right, the coalition of conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists, emerged as a political movement in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion. The tale goes something like this: Evangelicals, who had been politically quiescent for decades, were so morally outraged by Roe that they resolved to organize in order to overturn it.
This myth of origins is oft repeated by the movement’s leaders. In his 2005 book, Jerry Falwell, the firebrand fundamentalist preacher, recounts his distress upon reading about the ruling in the Jan. 23, 1973, edition of the Lynchburg News: “I sat there staring at the Roe v. Wade story,” Falwell writes, “growing more and more fearful of the consequences of the Supreme Court’s act and wondering why so few voices had been raised against it.” Evangelicals, he decided, needed to organize.
Some of these anti- Roe crusaders even went so far as to call themselves “new abolitionists,” invoking their antebellum predecessors who had fought to eradicate slavery.
But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... icpIuQq3L0
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:00 am
by kalm
Speaking of Paul Weyrich, nothing fires up progressive pundits like this quote...
"So many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome: good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:26 am
by Ivytalk
Not to be confused with Paul Ehrlich, who wrote The Population Bomb.
Oh, and four paragraphs from the end, we finally see the real reasons that Carter lost.
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:45 am
by GannonFan
Ivytalk wrote:Not to be confused with Paul Ehrlich, who wrote The Population Bomb.
Oh, and four paragraphs from the end, we finally see the real reasons that Carter lost.
Indeed, never mind the fact that Carter's presidency had fizzled amongst a bad economy and an impotent foreign policy (hostages, Soviet Union, etc). Blame the religious right. Apparently waiting in lines for gas at gas stations fueled people's religious fervor.
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:25 am
by Baldy
GannonFan wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Not to be confused with Paul Ehrlich, who wrote The Population Bomb.
Oh, and four paragraphs from the end, we finally see the real reasons that Carter lost.
Indeed, never mind the fact that Carter's presidency had fizzled amongst a bad economy and an impotent foreign policy (hostages, Soviet Union, etc). Blame the religious right. Apparently waiting in lines for gas at gas stations fueled people's religious fervor.
Who knew that gas lines, Stagflation, and The Misery Index were all clever tools of the religious right?
You learn something new every day.

Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:49 am
by Baldy
kalm wrote:Interesting and semi surprising take on political history.
One of the most durable myths in recent history is that the religious right, the coalition of conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists, emerged as a political movement in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion. The tale goes something like this: Evangelicals, who had been politically quiescent for decades, were so morally outraged by Roe that they resolved to organize in order to overturn it.
This myth of origins is oft repeated by the movement’s leaders. In his 2005 book, Jerry Falwell, the firebrand fundamentalist preacher, recounts his distress upon reading about the ruling in the Jan. 23, 1973, edition of the Lynchburg News: “I sat there staring at the Roe v. Wade story,” Falwell writes, “growing more and more fearful of the consequences of the Supreme Court’s act and wondering why so few voices had been raised against it.” Evangelicals, he decided, needed to organize.
Some of these anti- Roe crusaders even went so far as to call themselves “new abolitionists,” invoking their antebellum predecessors who had fought to eradicate slavery.
But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... icpIuQq3L0
Lemme get this straight...
The religious right waited a "full six years after Roe" to use their anti-abortion crusade to hide their real motivation of protecting segregated schools.
My only questions is, why did they wait "a full 25 years after Brown v. Board of Education" to start this pro-segregation crusade?
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:20 am
by Ivytalk
Baldy wrote:
Lemme get this straight...
The religious right waited a "full six years after Roe" to use their anti-abortion crusade to hide their real motivation of protecting segregated schools.
My only questions is, why did they wait "a full 25 years after Brown v. Board of Education" to start this pro-segregation crusade?
Great question!

Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:27 am
by houndawg
Baldy wrote:
Lemme get this straight...
The religious right waited a "full six years after Roe" to use their anti-abortion crusade to hide their real motivation of protecting segregated schools.
My only questions is,
why did they wait "a full 25 years after Brown v. Board of Education" to start this pro-segregation crusade?
Start?
The "pro-segregation crusade" crusade never missed a beat.
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:35 am
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:Baldy wrote:
Lemme get this straight...
The religious right waited a "full six years after Roe" to use their anti-abortion crusade to hide their real motivation of protecting segregated schools.
My only questions is, why did they wait "a full 25 years after Brown v. Board of Education" to start this pro-segregation crusade?
Great question!

You should both read the entire article. It lays down a timeline.
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:08 am
by Ivytalk
kalm wrote:
You should both read the entire article. It lays down a timeline.
I did.
But Baldy’s point is not chronological.
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:36 am
by Baldy
kalm wrote:
You should both read the entire article. It lays down a timeline.
It laid down lots of conjecture, but didn't answer the fundamental question.
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:39 am
by mainejeff
Never has Right been so Wrong.
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:00 am
by Ivytalk
mainejeff wrote:Never has Right been so Wrong.
Boy, that’s clever. You should hire yourself out as a sound bite artist.

Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:39 am
by CID1990
kalm wrote:
You should both read the entire article. It lays down a timeline.
There were to many logical leaps and flights of fancy for me to take that article as anything other than a speculative absurdity.
You have a gift for locating claptrap on the internets
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Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:14 pm
by kalm
CID1990 wrote:kalm wrote:
You should both read the entire article. It lays down a timeline.
There were to many logical leaps and flights of fancy for me to take that article as anything other than a speculative absurdity.
You have a gift for locating claptrap on the internets
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Show me where the big bad theory touched you.
Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:27 pm
by Chizzang
kalm wrote:CID1990 wrote:
There were to many logical leaps and flights of fancy for me to take that article as anything other than a speculative absurdity.
You have a gift for locating claptrap on the internets
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Show me where the big bad theory touched you.
kalm,
The whole thing is just too unpleasant to even reminisce...
It's like trying to have a conversation about Vietnam with retired military
it's just a bad idea
Lets focus on junior politicians that are communists

Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:06 pm
by kalm
Chizzang wrote:kalm wrote:
Show me where the big bad theory touched you.
kalm,
The whole thing is just too unpleasant to even reminisce...
It's like trying to have a conversation about Vietnam with retired military
it's just a bad idea
Lets focus on junior politicians that are communists


Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:13 pm
by CID1990
I try not to spend much of my valuable time on theories like chemtrails, Bigfoot, and the 3D chess machinations of American Christians.
Looks like you have Clotz on board though - enjoy
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Re: The Rise of the Christian Right
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:31 pm
by AZGrizFan
Chizzang wrote:kalm wrote:
Show me where the big bad theory touched you.
kalm,
The whole thing is just too unpleasant to even reminisce...
It's like trying to have a conversation about Vietnam with retired military
it's just a bad idea
Lets focus on junior politicians that are communists

Yep. Low hanging fruit and all that...
