11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

[SeattleGriz]

in case you were wondering
every single person that voted to pass the Alabama abortion law was... wait for it... a white male

Do you think the vote was more based on sex or party line? Every single person that voted to pass it was GOP. They don't have any women or minority members in Alabama.

I can't believe Clefty just assumed the gender of every single person who voted.

[SeattleGriz]

I like pro-life and pro-death.

Absolutely...
I mean if we're talking Alabama for sure
Hell those good Christian folks were lynching negro's right up until 1981 (not 1881, nineteen eighty one)

Pro-Death indeed



in case you were wondering
every single person that voted to pass the Alabama abortion law was... wait for it... a white male

Every single one loves children then.

[Chizzang]

Absolutely...
I mean if we're talking Alabama for sure
Hell those good Christian folks were lynching negro's right up until 1981 (not 1881, nineteen eighty one)

Pro-Death indeed



in case you were wondering
every single person that voted to pass the Alabama abortion law was... wait for it... a white male

Every single one loves children then.

[Gil Dobie]

I've been thru a few times, it's a nice drive, better than Georgia and the Atlanta traffic. Now the politicians, that's another story.

There's nice people in Alabama

I told him about it too - Ronnie Vansant, One More From the Road.

[CID1990]

One thing Alabama shows is that the right is as prone to overreach and own-goals as the left

The AL law moves the debate away from the 99-point something abortions that are elective, and allows the pro-abortion camp the ability to claim that the AL GOP supports rapists and incest


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[JoltinJoe]

Have you seen Burmese buddhists? They have a couple monks who make the Westboro Baptists look like Mr. Rogers

Very active in calling for persecution of the Rohingya due to their Muslim religion

My point is that Buddhism predates Christianity
Christians act like their stories didn't all come from somewhere else (but they did)

Enlighten us. Which Christian "stories" derive from Buddhism?

[SDHornet]

One thing Alabama shows is that the right is as prone to overreach and own-goals as the left

The AL law moves the debate away from the 99-point something abortions that are elective, and allows the pro-abortion camp the ability to claim that the AL GOP supports rapists and incest


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This.

The AL abortion law will backfire on the conks.

[dbackjon]

Multiple posters have used pro-abortion in this thread.

And pro-life is a misnomer as well, since the vast majority care little about them after they are born.

Could you be any more stereotypical in your response? What next, abortions in Starbucks if men got pregnant. Surely you're joking?

LMAO - you have no response, so name calling.

And what I said is true. You just can't admit it.

[dbackjon]

I'm going with:
Pro-Abortion Rights and Anti-Abortion Rights

I have no problem being labelled that, but in fairness, you should have to come up with two that match "pro" or "anti". I don't think I've ever heard somebody call a pro-choicer "anti-life".

Take your blinders off. They are called baby-killers, murders and worse.

Good lord, abortion makes people like you and JoltinJoe lose all semblance of logic and reason.

[dbackjon]

Do you think the vote was more based on sex or party line? Every single person that voted to pass it was GOP. They don't have any women or minority members in Alabama.

I can't believe Clefty just assumed the gender of every single person who voted.

Well, since it is known (He is talking about the Alabama State Senate). All the Republicans that voted for it are white males, most of them old

[SDHornet]

I have no problem being labelled that, but in fairness, you should have to come up with two that match "pro" or "anti". I don't think I've ever heard somebody call a pro-choicer "anti-life".

Take your blinders off. They are called baby-killers, murders and worse.

Good lord, abortion makes people like you and JoltinJoe lose all semblance of logic and reason.

89 has been getting pwned on the baby murder debate from the jump.

Also anyone refusing to acknowledge abortion as murder has their own issues as well.

[Chizzang]

My point is that Buddhism predates Christianity
Christians act like their stories didn't all come from somewhere else (but they did)

Enlighten us. Which Christian "stories" derive from Buddhism?

You weren't forced to read Elaine Pagels work..?
I find that suspicious Joe

Not to mention those that believe Jesus himself is re-depiction of the Buddha

[JoltinJoe]

Enlighten us. Which Christian "stories" derive from Buddhism?

You weren't forced to read Elaine Pagels work..?
I find that suspicious Joe

Not to mention those that believe Jesus himself is re-depiction of the Buddha

No, let's suppose I've never read anything by Elaine Pagel.

Enlighten me, SPECIFICALLY. What "Christian" stories derive from Buddhism? If you are going to cite Pagel, or "those who believe Jesus is re-depiction of the Buddha," cite them SPECIFICALLY as your source and IDENTIFY which Christian "stories" they cite as being derived from Buddhism.

[CID1990]

Enlighten us. Which Christian "stories" derive from Buddhism?

You weren't forced to read Elaine Pagels work..?
I find that suspicious Joe

Not to mention those that believe Jesus himself is re-depiction of the Buddha

Like Jesus, the Buddha has become quite magical as the years have gone by - the legend far outweighs the man

(though I find the actual men much more interesting than their stylized modern personas)

Buddhism is difficult to match up with the other world religions because it is arguably more a philosophy than a religion... which is why there are so many creative iterations of it - not just from culture to culture or country to country, but also town to town

If you think something brought you good luck, then it must have some connection with the spirits and by golly you can put it in the temple with all the other knick knacks and people will blow incense at it and maybe rub some of that luck off on themselves.... the idea of visions of Mary and resulting pilgrimages has a definite correlate in Buddhism

I have to say though - Zen Buddhism is probably the most interesting and variable version- I never saw two Zen temples that were exactly alike. Zen buddhism is “Whatever Floats Your Boat” Buddhism and it is great! The Vietnamese are Zen

I’m less familiar with Shinto but my impression is it is probably the most perfectionist ... no surprises there

Theravada is the Thai version (as well as Burma, Laos, Cambodia, India) and it is much more formulaic in style, scripture, architecture. If you’ve seen one Thai temple you’ve seen them all. A bit boring. The funny thing is that in many Thai temples you will find a small Zen shrine (they call it Chinese)... turns out the Thais like a little spice and they also like to cover all their bases..

I know this was one big ramble^^^^ but I enjoy Buddhism in general and the study of it is fascinating


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[JoltinJoe]

You weren't forced to read Elaine Pagels work..?
I find that suspicious Joe

Not to mention those that believe Jesus himself is re-depiction of the Buddha

Like Jesus, the Buddha has become quite magical as the years have gone by - the legend far outweighs the man

(though I find the actual men much more interesting than their stylized modern personas)

Buddhism is difficult to match up with the other world religions because it is arguably more a philosophy than a religion... which is why there are so many creative iterations of it - not just from culture to culture or country to country, but also town to town

If you think something brought you good luck, then it must have some connection with the spirits and by golly you can put it in the temple with all the other knick knacks and people will blow incense at it and maybe rub some of that luck off on themselves.... the idea of visions of Mary and resulting pilgrimages has a definite correlate in Buddhism

I have to say though - Zen Buddhism is probably the most interesting and variable version- I never saw two Zen temples that were exactly alike. Zen buddhism is “Whatever Floats Your Boat” Buddhism and it is great! The Vietnamese are Zen

I’m less familiar with Shinto but my impression is it is probably the most perfectionist ... no surprises there

Theravada is the Thai version (as well as Burma, Laos, Cambodia, India) and it is much more formulaic in style, scripture, architecture. If you’ve seen one Thai temple you’ve seen them all. A bit boring. The funny thing is that in many Thai temples you will find a small Zen shrine (they call it Chinese)... turns out the Thais like a little spice and they also like to cover all their bases..

I know this was one big ramble^^^^ but I enjoy Buddhism in general and the study of it is fascinating


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Whatever the merits of Buddhism, any claim to similarity between Christian "stories" and Buddhism is either highly exaggerated or based on scholarship, like Pagel, that asserts that many of the suppressed gospels include elements of Buddhism.

As to this latter point, these scholars seem to overlook the obvious: these Buddhist-influenced expressions of Christianity were suppressed by the Church leaders because it wasn't CHRISTIAN. Pagel's scholarship actually demonstrates, I think, that far from "deriving stories" from Buddhism, Christianity went out of its way to suppress any expression of Buddhism within Christian tradition.

I expected Cleets to give the standard "virgin birth" answer and I was loaded for bear, lying in wait. But he didn't even say that. He just gave his usual, cocktail-hour analysis.

[BDKJMU]

Alabama should be converted in to a toxic dump. I've been through there once....and once was more than enough.

I've been thru a few times, it's a nice drive, better than Georgia and the Atlanta traffic. Now the politicians, that's another story.

Yep.

Don’t remember too much about the 1st 2 times in 98’ and 02’.
-Drove the NW corner on the Natchez Trace Parkway in 2012. Very scenic.
-Drove from ATL through east central Bama to Talladega in Oct 2017, for the Alabama 500, Dale Earnhardt Jr’s last Dega race. Drove around the Talladega National Forest on the way back. Nice drive.
-Have heard Mobile and the Gulf Coast is nice.
-Check out #11 on this list:
https://realestate.usnews.com/places/ra ... es-to-live

[SeattleGriz]

I can't believe Clefty just assumed the gender of every single person who voted.

Well, since it is known (He is talking about the Alabama State Senate). All the Republicans that voted for it are white males, most of them old

How do you know? Maybe they are fearful of coming out and you have now further injured them with your's and Cleet's wreckless labeling. You're inciting violence against them as well.

[Chizzang]

Like Jesus, the Buddha has become quite magical as the years have gone by - the legend far outweighs the man

(though I find the actual men much more interesting than their stylized modern personas)

Buddhism is difficult to match up with the other world religions because it is arguably more a philosophy than a religion... which is why there are so many creative iterations of it - not just from culture to culture or country to country, but also town to town

If you think something brought you good luck, then it must have some connection with the spirits and by golly you can put it in the temple with all the other knick knacks and people will blow incense at it and maybe rub some of that luck off on themselves.... the idea of visions of Mary and resulting pilgrimages has a definite correlate in Buddhism

I have to say though - Zen Buddhism is probably the most interesting and variable version- I never saw two Zen temples that were exactly alike. Zen buddhism is “Whatever Floats Your Boat” Buddhism and it is great! The Vietnamese are Zen

I’m less familiar with Shinto but my impression is it is probably the most perfectionist ... no surprises there

Theravada is the Thai version (as well as Burma, Laos, Cambodia, India) and it is much more formulaic in style, scripture, architecture. If you’ve seen one Thai temple you’ve seen them all. A bit boring. The funny thing is that in many Thai temples you will find a small Zen shrine (they call it Chinese)... turns out the Thais like a little spice and they also like to cover all their bases..

I know this was one big ramble^^^^ but I enjoy Buddhism in general and the study of it is fascinating


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Whatever the merits of Buddhism, any claim to similarity between Christian "stories" and Buddhism is either highly exaggerated or based on scholarship, like Pagel, that asserts that many of the suppressed gospels include elements of Buddhism.

As to this latter point, these scholars seem to overlook the obvious: these Buddhist-influenced expressions of Christianity were suppressed by the Church leaders because it wasn't CHRISTIAN. Pagel's scholarship actually demonstrates, I think, that far from "deriving stories" from Buddhism, Christianity went out of its way to suppress any expression of Buddhism within Christian tradition.

I expected Cleets to give the standard "virgin birth" answer and I was loaded for bear, lying in wait. But he didn't even say that. He just gave his usual, cocktail-hour analysis.

Such an agitated and angst riddled apologist, Joe...
It's not even fun debating with you anymore you're so short tempered

If you're going to try to defend that the whole of Catholicism isn't largely "manufactured"
but instead is entirely pure and original material
straight from the creator

you should set your sights on a bigger target than me...
You should go after a real intellectual and rock the world with your revelation

I'm just a pseudo intellectual small fry
you can run circles around me

Explaining how Religion and Church are NOT manufactured but born from the creator
and how morality is intrinsically tied to this one specific faith and not independent of faith
and how Catholicism has earned its special divine exemption from accountability

You go Joe !!!

[SeattleGriz]

Whatever the merits of Buddhism, any claim to similarity between Christian "stories" and Buddhism is either highly exaggerated or based on scholarship, like Pagel, that asserts that many of the suppressed gospels include elements of Buddhism.

As to this latter point, these scholars seem to overlook the obvious: these Buddhist-influenced expressions of Christianity were suppressed by the Church leaders because it wasn't CHRISTIAN. Pagel's scholarship actually demonstrates, I think, that far from "deriving stories" from Buddhism, Christianity went out of its way to suppress any expression of Buddhism within Christian tradition.

I expected Cleets to give the standard "virgin birth" answer and I was loaded for bear, lying in wait. But he didn't even say that. He just gave his usual, cocktail-hour analysis.

Such an agitated and angst riddled apologist, Joe...
It's not even fun debating with you anymore you're so short tempered

If you're going to try to defend that the whole of Catholicism isn't largely "manufactured"
but instead is entirely pure and original material
straight from the creator

you should set your sights on a bigger target than me...
You should go after a real intellectual and rock the world with your revelation

I'm just a pseudo intellectual small fry
you can run circles around me

Explaining how Religion and Church are NOT manufactured but born from the creator
and how morality is intrinsically tied to this one specific faith and not independent of faith
and how Catholicism has earned its special divine exemption from accountability

You go Joe !!!

That was a horrible example.

[UNI88]

You weren't forced to read Elaine Pagels work..?
I find that suspicious Joe

Not to mention those that believe Jesus himself is re-depiction of the Buddha

Like Jesus, the Buddha has become quite magical as the years have gone by - the legend far outweighs the man

(though I find the actual men much more interesting than their stylized modern personas)

Buddhism is difficult to match up with the other world religions because it is arguably more a philosophy than a religion... which is why there are so many creative iterations of it - not just from culture to culture or country to country, but also town to town

If you think something brought you good luck, then it must have some connection with the spirits and by golly you can put it in the temple with all the other knick knacks and people will blow incense at it and maybe rub some of that luck off on themselves.... the idea of visions of Mary and resulting pilgrimages has a definite correlate in Buddhism

I have to say though - Zen Buddhism is probably the most interesting and variable version- I never saw two Zen temples that were exactly alike. Zen buddhism is “Whatever Floats Your Boat” Buddhism and it is great! The Vietnamese are Zen

I’m less familiar with Shinto but my impression is it is probably the most perfectionist ... no surprises there

Theravada is the Thai version (as well as Burma, Laos, Cambodia, India) and it is much more formulaic in style, scripture, architecture. If you’ve seen one Thai temple you’ve seen them all. A bit boring. The funny thing is that in many Thai temples you will find a small Zen shrine (they call it Chinese)... turns out the Thais like a little spice and they also like to cover all their bases..

I know this was one big ramble^^^^ but I enjoy Buddhism in general and the study of it is fascinating


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Can we throw Taoism into the mix for giggles?

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[Chizzang]

because this is the reality of the Anti-Abortion Politician
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anti-ab ... d=50274843

[JoltinJoe]

Whatever the merits of Buddhism, any claim to similarity between Christian "stories" and Buddhism is either highly exaggerated or based on scholarship, like Pagel, that asserts that many of the suppressed gospels include elements of Buddhism.

As to this latter point, these scholars seem to overlook the obvious: these Buddhist-influenced expressions of Christianity were suppressed by the Church leaders because it wasn't CHRISTIAN. Pagel's scholarship actually demonstrates, I think, that far from "deriving stories" from Buddhism, Christianity went out of its way to suppress any expression of Buddhism within Christian tradition.

I expected Cleets to give the standard "virgin birth" answer and I was loaded for bear, lying in wait. But he didn't even say that. He just gave his usual, cocktail-hour analysis.

Such an agitated and angst riddled apologist, Joe...
It's not even fun debating with you anymore you're so short tempered

If you're going to try to defend that the whole of Catholicism isn't largely "manufactured"
but instead is entirely pure and original material
straight from the creator

you should set your sights on a bigger target than me...
You should go after a real intellectual and rock the world with your revelation

I'm just a pseudo intellectual small fry
you can run circles around me

Explaining how Religion and Church are NOT manufactured but born from the creator
and how morality is intrinsically tied to this one specific faith and not independent of faith
and how Catholicism has earned its special divine exemption from accountability

You go Joe !!!

I’m going to send you a bill for sitting through your therapy session.

I asked a simple question. Your response is noise that, incidentally, attributes to me opinions or beliefs I don’t advocate or hold.

Back to the topic.

Name one “Christian” story that is derived from Buddhism.

[Chizzang]

Such an agitated and angst riddled apologist, Joe...
It's not even fun debating with you anymore you're so short tempered

If you're going to try to defend that the whole of Catholicism isn't largely "manufactured"
but instead is entirely pure and original material
straight from the creator

you should set your sights on a bigger target than me...
You should go after a real intellectual and rock the world with your revelation

I'm just a pseudo intellectual small fry
you can run circles around me

Explaining how Religion and Church are NOT manufactured but born from the creator
and how morality is intrinsically tied to this one specific faith and not independent of faith
and how Catholicism has earned its special divine exemption from accountability

You go Joe !!!

I’m going to send you a bill for sitting through your therapy session.

I asked a simple question. Your response is noise that, incidentally, attributes to me opinions or beliefs I don’t advocate or hold.

Back to the topic.

Name one “Christian” story that is derived from Buddhism.

When I do identify a story from Buddhism that is used in Christianity
will you renounce your faith ..?



Then can we name stuff that came from Hindu practices next ..?

[JoltinJoe]

When I do identify a story from Buddhism that is used in Christianity
will you renounce your faith?

Yes. So name one.

[Chizzang]

When I do identify a story from Buddhism that is used in Christianity
will you renounce your faith?

Yes. So name one.

So in the Buddhist folklore Theravada Jatakas (some 400 years before Jesus)
The Buddah walks on water