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Postby 89Hen » Fri May 17, 2019 7:52 am

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89Hen wrote: :rofl: Could you be any more stereotypical in your response? What next, abortions in Starbucks if men got pregnant. Surely you're joking?



LMAO - you have no response, so name calling.

And what I said is true. You just can't admit it.

I guess you didn't read the rest of the thread where I called out folks for these red herrings EXACTLY like yours. What you said is folly.

BTW, name calling? :suspicious:
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Postby 89Hen » Fri May 17, 2019 7:53 am

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Take your blinders off. They are called baby-killers, murders and worse.

Good lord, abortion makes people like you and JoltinJoe lose all semblance of logic and reason.

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89 has been getting pwned on the baby murder debate from the jump.

Also anyone refusing to acknowledge abortion as murder has their own issues as well. :coffee:

:lol: OK guy.
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Postby 89Hen » Fri May 17, 2019 7:54 am

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89Hen wrote:I have no problem being labelled that, but in fairness, you should have to come up with two that match "pro" or "anti". I don't think I've ever heard somebody call a pro-choicer "anti-life".


Take your blinders off. They are called baby-killers, murders and worse.

Good lord, abortion makes people like you and JoltinJoe lose all semblance of logic and reason.

Oy vey, I hate when folks are late to the party. I'm not going to rehash this whole thread for you because you joined late.

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Postby JoltinJoe » Fri May 17, 2019 7:55 am

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Yes. So name one.


So in the Buddhist folklore Theravada Jatakas (some 400 years before Jesus)
The Buddah walks on water


There is no proof that this claim pre-dates Christianity.

Buddhism, at its essence, eschews focus on the miraculous. Accordingly, it is doubtful that the earliest written folklore included a claim that the Buddha walked on water. While earliest texts of Theravada Jatakas dated from the 4th century BCE, such writings have been passed on and translated over time, with additional folklore often added, or existing folklore modified. As CID observed above, the Buddha has become “more miraculous” over time.

Scholarly consensus: Buddha’s miracles were not part of the earliest folklore and became additional folklore over time.

Whether you believe them or not, the claims of Christ walking on water were part of the first Gospels.

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Postby JoltinJoe » Fri May 17, 2019 8:07 am

Also, the case cannot be made that miracle stories in Christianity derive from or are influenced by Buddhism in any way.

In the Old Testament, there were numerous recorded accounts of great or miraculous signs being seen as the presence or the favor of God. Accordingly, writing in the same tradition, the Gospel writers included accounts of the great signs performed by Jesus. These signs would be viewed, in the Jewish traditions, as testimony that Jesus was “The Son of God.”
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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby Chizzang » Fri May 17, 2019 8:19 am

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Chizzang wrote:
So in the Buddhist folklore Theravada Jatakas (some 400 years before Jesus)
The Buddah walks on water


There is no proof that this claim pre-dates Christianity.

Buddhism, at its essence, eschews focus on the miraculous. Accordingly, it is doubtful that the earliest written folklore included a claim that the Buddha walked on water. While earliest texts of Theravada Jatakas dated from the 4th century BCE, such writings have been passed on and translated over time, with additional folklore often added, or existing folklore modified. As CID observed above, the Buddha has become “more miraculous” over time.

Scholarly consensus: Buddha’s miracles were not part of the earliest folklore and became additional folklore over time.

Whether you believe them or not, the claims of Christ walking on water were part of the first Gospels.


Joe,
All faith based stories become "more miraculous" over time...
that's a built in feature of humans and story telling, no faith is immune to this

it's all based on what you decide to believe
if it's Buddha walking on water in 350 BCE
or Jesus and Peter taking a morning jog across the sea of Galilee

:nod:

you decide to believe one or the other or both or neither (Faith alone)
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Postby Gil Dobie » Fri May 17, 2019 8:31 am

You would think the female population of Alabama could reverse this, albeit a female governor. :suspicious:

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Postby Chizzang » Fri May 17, 2019 8:33 am

Gil Dobie wrote:You would think the female population of Alabama could reverse this, albeit a female governor. :suspicious:

Alabama 2017 Voting Population

Male - 2.36 million
Female - 2.525 million


there are some nice folks in there...
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Postby Gil Dobie » Fri May 17, 2019 8:50 am

Chizzang wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:You would think the female population of Alabama could reverse this, albeit a female governor. :suspicious:

Alabama 2017 Voting Population

Male - 2.36 million
Female - 2.525 million


there are some nice folks in there...


The quote is actually "There's Good People in Alabama" - Ronnie Van Zant
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Postby kalm » Fri May 17, 2019 9:01 am

"Why is it that most people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck anyway."

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Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Fri May 17, 2019 1:36 pm

Chizzang wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
Yes. So name one.


So in the Buddhist folklore Theravada Jatakas (some 400 years before Jesus)
The Buddah walks on water
That's a buoyant Buddha

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Postby kalm » Fri May 17, 2019 2:05 pm

Chizzang wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
Yes. So name one.


So in the Buddhist folklore Theravada Jatakas (some 400 years before Jesus)
The Buddah walks on water


Sometimes it’s ok to just wade through it too...

“A senior monk and a young monk were traveling together. At one point, they came to a river with a strong current. As the monks were preparing to cross the river, they saw a very young and beautiful woman also attempting to cross. The young woman asked if they could help her cross to the other side.

The two monks glanced at one another because they had taken vows not to touch a woman.

Then, without a word, the older monk picked up the woman, carried her across the river, placed her gently on the other side, and carried on his 
journey.

The younger monk couldn’t believe what had just happened. After rejoining his companion, he was speechless, and an hour passed without a word between them.

Two more hours passed, then three, finally the younger monk could contain himself any longer, and blurted out “As monks, we are not permitted a woman, how could you then carry that woman on your shoulders?”

The older monk looked at him and replied, “Brother, I set her down on the other side of the river, why are you still carrying her?”
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Re: 11 yr. old rape victim must carry and deliver baby...

Postby Chizzang » Fri May 17, 2019 2:08 pm

kalm wrote:"Why is it that most people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck anyway."

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Probably for the same reason that people that are against gun ownership
are kinda the one's that need to be shot just for the hell of it...

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Postby SeattleGriz » Fri May 17, 2019 2:55 pm

Chizzang wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
There is no proof that this claim pre-dates Christianity.

Buddhism, at its essence, eschews focus on the miraculous. Accordingly, it is doubtful that the earliest written folklore included a claim that the Buddha walked on water. While earliest texts of Theravada Jatakas dated from the 4th century BCE, such writings have been passed on and translated over time, with additional folklore often added, or existing folklore modified. As CID observed above, the Buddha has become “more miraculous” over time.

Scholarly consensus: Buddha’s miracles were not part of the earliest folklore and became additional folklore over time.

Whether you believe them or not, the claims of Christ walking on water were part of the first Gospels.


Joe,
All faith based stories become "more miraculous" over time...
that's a built in feature of humans and story telling, no faith is immune to this

it's all based on what you decide to believe
if it's Buddha walking on water in 350 BCE
or Jesus and Peter taking a morning jog across the sea of Galilee

:nod:

you decide to believe one or the other or both or neither (Faith alone)


The Christian stories have gotten more miraculous over time? Hmm.
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Postby Chizzang » Fri May 17, 2019 3:28 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Joe,
All faith based stories become "more miraculous" over time...
that's a built in feature of humans and story telling, no faith is immune to this

it's all based on what you decide to believe
if it's Buddha walking on water in 350 BCE
or Jesus and Peter taking a morning jog across the sea of Galilee

:nod:

you decide to believe one or the other or both or neither (Faith alone)


The Christian stories have gotten more miraculous over time? Hmm.


Depends on which "Time" you're referencing...
had the Gospel been written at the time of Paul's letters some decades after Jesus..?

The oral traditions within the church formed the substance of the Gospels...
John wasn't even written until 100 plus years later

imagine the possibilities

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Postby JoltinJoe » Fri May 17, 2019 5:05 pm

Chizzang wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:
The Christian stories have gotten more miraculous over time? Hmm.


Depends on which "Time" you're referencing...
had the Gospel been written at the time of Paul's letters some decades after Jesus..?

The oral traditions within the church formed the substance of the Gospels...
John wasn't even written until 100 plus years later

imagine the possibilities

:lol:


According to Chapter 9 of the Acts of the Apostles, Paul encountered the voice of Christ as he traveled on the road to Damascus, where he was heading to persecute Christians.

Paul also recounted that he was called by Christ in a number of his epistles. So there's an account of a miracle that occurred within three years of the Crucifixion, and which was memorialized in writing by Paul within the next few years.

Also, many of the other epistles include claims of a risen Christ. This means that the claim of the risen Christ were made, and placed in writing, long before the Gospels were memorialized in writing and were, in fact, placed into writing within a few years after the claimed Resurrection.

The argument that the Gospels were put into writing "long after" the Resurrection ignores that the epistles make the same claim, and were written at times shortly after the life of Christ.

And, for the record, the Gospel of John was put in writing between 90 and 100 C.E. That means it was possibly less than 60 years between the Resurrection and John's Gospel being put down in writing.

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Postby Chizzang » Fri May 17, 2019 5:55 pm

JoltinJoe wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Depends on which "Time" you're referencing...
had the Gospel been written at the time of Paul's letters some decades after Jesus..?

The oral traditions within the church formed the substance of the Gospels...
John wasn't even written until 100 plus years later

imagine the possibilities

:lol:


According to Chapter 9 of the Acts of the Apostles, Paul encountered the voice of Christ as he traveled on the road to Damascus, where he was heading to persecute Christians.

Paul also recounted that he was called by Christ in a number of his epistles. So there's an account of a miracle that occurred within three years of the Crucifixion, and which was memorialized in writing by Paul within the next few years.

Also, many of the other epistles include claims of a risen Christ. This means that the claim of the risen Christ were made, and placed in writing, long before the Gospels were memorialized in writing and were, in fact, placed into writing within a few years after the claimed Resurrection.

The argument that the Gospels were put into writing "long after" the Resurrection ignores that the epistles make the same claim, and were written at times shortly after the life of Christ.

And, for the record, the Gospel of John was put in writing between 90 and 100 C.E. That means it was possibly less than 60 years between the Resurrection and John's Gospel being put down in writing.


Joe,
God talked to George Bush every day
and Pat Robertson and Billy Graham

Why have we stopped documenting these miracles ?
Shouldn't we still be writing the gospel if these are still happening ?

Last month there were over a thousand Jesus Christ sightings at the Notre Dame fire alone
The incredible mind boggling miracles are still happening

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Postby SeattleGriz » Fri May 17, 2019 6:21 pm

Chizzang wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
According to Chapter 9 of the Acts of the Apostles, Paul encountered the voice of Christ as he traveled on the road to Damascus, where he was heading to persecute Christians.

Paul also recounted that he was called by Christ in a number of his epistles. So there's an account of a miracle that occurred within three years of the Crucifixion, and which was memorialized in writing by Paul within the next few years.

Also, many of the other epistles include claims of a risen Christ. This means that the claim of the risen Christ were made, and placed in writing, long before the Gospels were memorialized in writing and were, in fact, placed into writing within a few years after the claimed Resurrection.

The argument that the Gospels were put into writing "long after" the Resurrection ignores that the epistles make the same claim, and were written at times shortly after the life of Christ.

And, for the record, the Gospel of John was put in writing between 90 and 100 C.E. That means it was possibly less than 60 years between the Resurrection and John's Gospel being put down in writing.


Joe,
God talked to George Bush every day
and Pat Robertson and Billy Graham

Why have we stopped documenting these miracles ?
Shouldn't we still be writing the gospel if these are still happening ?

Last month there were over a thousand Jesus Christ sightings at the Notre Dame fire alone
The incredible mind boggling miracles are still happening

:coffee:


And this is why many other than Joe run circles around you on this topic.
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Postby Chizzang » Fri May 17, 2019 6:44 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Joe,
God talked to George Bush every day
and Pat Robertson and Billy Graham

Why have we stopped documenting these miracles ?
Shouldn't we still be writing the gospel if these are still happening ?

Last month there were over a thousand Jesus Christ sightings at the Notre Dame fire alone
The incredible mind boggling miracles are still happening

:coffee:


And this is why many other than Joe run circles around you on this topic.


Look it's you guys that get to decide passes for a Miracle...

:lol:

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Postby SeattleGriz » Fri May 17, 2019 6:51 pm

Chizzang wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:
And this is why many other than Joe run circles around you on this topic.


Look it's you guys that get to decide passes for a Miracle...



I'll stick with a vastly simpler version of God


You do what you do, but misrepresenting Christianity isn't right.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Look it's you guys that get to decide passes for a Miracle...



I'll stick with a vastly simpler version of God


You do what you do, but misrepresenting Christianity isn't right.


Why? Christianity misrepresents God on a daily basis.

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Postby SeattleGriz » Fri May 17, 2019 7:33 pm

kalm wrote:
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You do what you do, but misrepresenting Christianity isn't right.


Why? Christianity misrepresents God on a daily basis.

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Postby Chizzang » Fri May 17, 2019 7:56 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Look it's you guys that get to decide passes for a Miracle...



I'll stick with a vastly simpler version of God


You do what you do, but misrepresenting Christianity isn't right.


I'm not misrepresenting Christianity in any way...
Please identify exactly where..?

Just because Joe differs in opinion - he doesn't have any more "facts" than anybody else
He just spins them to serve his desired outcome

Which I'm totally cool with
and then he typically resorts to calling me names
(which is usually what people do when they are winning a debate, start name calling)

Anyway...
God is a fascinating topic and always will be for me
it doesn't frighten me and I will always accept new information
and alter my opinion based on the quality of that new information

You and Joe do not have that luxury

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Postby Chizzang » Fri May 17, 2019 7:57 pm

SeattleGriz wrote:
kalm wrote:
Why? Christianity misrepresents God on a daily basis.

:coffee:
Your proof for that?


The prosperity gospel..?

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Postby SeattleGriz » Fri May 17, 2019 8:17 pm

Chizzang wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Your proof for that?


The prosperity gospel..?



Well there you have it.

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