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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby CID1990 » Tue May 28, 2019 6:41 am

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The Electoral College is a key to decentralization of power and a bulwark against the tyranny of the majority. It serves the same purpose as the Senate.


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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Are you SURE you want to make that comparison right now with the current Senate? :roll:

I think that the Electoral College screwed us all. The "tyrannical majority" had it right this time. :nod: :thumb:

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Yes. The Senate is operating exactly as designed

Clitz said it before and he is right... there are more red states than blue states and the Senate is reflective of that

There are more blue Congressional districts than there are red and the House is reflective of that

Things are as they should be. Don’t go blaming the system when it is the juveniles at the switch


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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby CID1990 » Tue May 28, 2019 6:42 am

∞∞∞ wrote:Rural Americans are serfs to the current system, especially with "winner-take-all" states (which is most).

The EC should be thrown away, but if we're insistent on keeping it, it needs reform There should be a proportional amount of electors to the population consistent throughout the US (1 rep per X amount of people), and states shouldn't be "winner-take-all." If a state has 6 electoral votes, 3 which went to Dems, 2 which went to Cons, and 1 which went to Green...all 6 should not go to the Dems. It should be divided as the population voted.

Additionally, if you want to keep true to the original intention of the EC, we should be voting for the electors during the Presidential elections, who then in turn choose the President with no penalty for their choice.

Or you know, just abolish the system and do what free societies do: one person, one vote.


Fortunately, the states get to decide if they are winner take all or not.

Most states won’t agree with you.


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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby mainejeff » Tue May 28, 2019 6:53 am

In a way I hope that Trump does win a second term. He will drive the economy into the ground which will inflict much more damage on the Republican Party than anything he could ever do or say.

Yup.....my main concern now is too destroy the Republican Party. I'm just gonna play your game now. :nod:

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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby GannonFan » Tue May 28, 2019 7:36 am

mainejeff wrote:In a way I hope that Trump does win a second term. He will drive the economy into the ground which will inflict much more damage on the Republican Party than anything he could ever do or say.

Yup.....my main concern now is too destroy the Republican Party. I'm just gonna play your game now. :nod:

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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue May 28, 2019 7:53 am

∞∞∞ wrote:Rural Americans are serfs to the current system, especially with "winner-take-all" states (which is most).

The EC should be thrown away, but if we're insistent on keeping it, it needs reform There should be a proportional amount of electors to the population consistent throughout the US (1 rep per X amount of people), and states shouldn't be "winner-take-all." If a state has 6 electoral votes, 3 which went to Dems, 2 which went to Cons, and 1 which went to Green...all 6 should not go to the Dems. It should be divided as the population voted.

Additionally, if you want to keep true to the original intention of the EC, we should be voting for the electors during the Presidential elections, who then in turn choose the President with no penalty for their choice.

Or you know, just abolish the system and do what free societies do: one person, one vote.


Man. Watching you donks show your true colors is very revealing. They're called STATES RIGHTS for a reason. The state has the right to establish and elect their electors in whatever way THEY see fit. And some grand centralized government doesn't get to dictate that to them.
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby css75 » Tue May 28, 2019 8:42 am

mainejeff wrote:In a way I hope that Trump does win a second term. He will drive the economy into the ground which will inflict much more damage on the Republican Party than anything he could ever do or say.

Yup.....my main concern now is too destroy the Republican Party. I'm just gonna play your game now. :nod:

:coffee:



Yeah, Trump is driving the economy into the ground. How has Trump affected you personally? Just curious.


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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby Gil Dobie » Tue May 28, 2019 8:47 am

mainejeff wrote:In a way I hope that Trump does win a second term. He will drive the economy into the ground which will inflict much more damage on the Republican Party than anything he could ever do or say.

Yup.....my main concern now is too destroy the Republican Party. I'm just gonna play your game now. :nod:

:coffee:


With it's archaic social platform, it won't be many years before the Republican party either dissipates or changes direction.
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby Ibanez » Tue May 28, 2019 11:43 am

mainejeff wrote:
Baldy wrote:...and the Left is so full of hate right now. It's a shame, really.

:ohno:


Conks are full of hate 24/7.....365 days/year......always. We've got a lot of catching up to do after 8 years of Clinton hate and 8 years of Obama hate. :thumb:

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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby Ibanez » Tue May 28, 2019 11:47 am

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mainejeff wrote:In a way I hope that Trump does win a second term. He will drive the economy into the ground which will inflict much more damage on the Republican Party than anything he could ever do or say.

Yup.....my main concern now is too destroy the Republican Party. I'm just gonna play your game now. :nod:

:coffee:



Yeah, Trump is driving the economy into the ground. How has Trump affected you personally? Just curious.


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One could argue that the economy is an extension of Obama's policies. What has Trump done, actually done, for the economy? Trade wars? Tax cut for the wealthy?
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue May 28, 2019 12:03 pm

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Yeah, Trump is driving the economy into the ground. How has Trump affected you personally? Just curious.


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One could argue that the economy is an extension of Obama's policies. What has Trump done, actually done, for the economy? Trade wars? Tax cut for the wealthy?


Now you sound like JSO. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby css75 » Tue May 28, 2019 12:45 pm

Ibanez wrote:
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Yeah, Trump is driving the economy into the ground. How has Trump affected you personally? Just curious.


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One could argue that the economy is an extension of Obama's policies. What has Trump done, actually done, for the economy? Trade wars? Tax cut for the wealthy?


Though I usually disagree with your posts, they are usually well thought out. This one is an exception.


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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby Chizzang » Tue May 28, 2019 12:54 pm

CID1990 wrote:
mainejeff wrote:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Are you SURE you want to make that comparison right now with the current Senate? :roll:

I think that the Electoral College screwed us all. The "tyrannical majority" had it right this time. :nod: :thumb:

:coffee:


Yes. The Senate is operating exactly as designed

Clitz said it before and he is right... there are more red states than blue states and the Senate is reflective of that

There are more blue Congressional districts than there are red and the House is reflective of that

Things are as they should be. Don’t go blaming the system when it is the juveniles at the switch



Yup...
The House represents population and the Senate represents geography

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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue May 28, 2019 12:59 pm

css75 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
One could argue that the economy is an extension of Obama's policies. What has Trump done, actually done, for the economy? Trade wars? Tax cut for the wealthy?


Though I usually disagree with your posts, they are usually well thought out. This one is an exception.


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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby Ibanez » Tue May 28, 2019 1:04 pm

css75 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
One could argue that the economy is an extension of Obama's policies. What has Trump done, actually done, for the economy? Trade wars? Tax cut for the wealthy?


Though I usually disagree with your posts, they are usually well thought out. This one is an exception.


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Why can't someone argue that the reason the economy is doing well is because of something a previous administration has done. Isn't that what is said about the 1990s? That Clinton was enjoying the benefits of Reagan policies? It often takes years for the effects of policies, legislation, initiatives, etc... to be felt and measured. I'm not saying that business don't like a Trump administration, but i'm not sure as to how much credit belongs to Obama/Biden vs Trump?pence. :twocents:
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby Ibanez » Tue May 28, 2019 1:05 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
One could argue that the economy is an extension of Obama's policies. What has Trump done, actually done, for the economy? Trade wars? Tax cut for the wealthy?


Now you sound like JSO. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

That hurt me deep, Tom. :lol:
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue May 28, 2019 1:06 pm

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Now you sound like JSO. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

That hurt me deep, Tom. :lol:


Well don't say stupid shit then, bro. :tothehand: :tothehand:
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

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AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:That hurt me deep, Tom. :lol:


Well don't say stupid shit then, bro. :tothehand: :tothehand:

:lol: Fair enough, bro.
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby kalm » Tue May 28, 2019 1:11 pm

Ibanez wrote:
css75 wrote:
Though I usually disagree with your posts, they are usually well thought out. This one is an exception.


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Why can't someone argue that the reason the economy is doing well is because of something a previous administration has done. Isn't that what is said about the 1990s? That Clinton was enjoying the benefits of Reagan policies? It often takes years for the effects of policies, legislation, initiatives, etc... to be felt and measured. I'm not saying that business don't like a Trump administration, but i'm not sure as to how much credit belongs to Obama/Biden vs Trump?pence. :twocents:


Because we all know tax cuts on the rich, military expansion and increased spending, coupled with deregulation always lead to perpetual growth. :lol:
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby GannonFan » Tue May 28, 2019 1:37 pm

Ibanez wrote:
css75 wrote:
Though I usually disagree with your posts, they are usually well thought out. This one is an exception.


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Why can't someone argue that the reason the economy is doing well is because of something a previous administration has done. Isn't that what is said about the 1990s? That Clinton was enjoying the benefits of Reagan policies? It often takes years for the effects of policies, legislation, initiatives, etc... to be felt and measured. I'm not saying that business don't like a Trump administration, but i'm not sure as to how much credit belongs to Obama/Biden vs Trump?pence. :twocents:


Well, who's to say then that the current boom we're in isn't really due ultimately to George W and his TARP response to the '08 recession? Where are his kudos?
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby Ivytalk » Tue May 28, 2019 2:06 pm

kalm wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Why can't someone argue that the reason the economy is doing well is because of something a previous administration has done. Isn't that what is said about the 1990s? That Clinton was enjoying the benefits of Reagan policies? It often takes years for the effects of policies, legislation, initiatives, etc... to be felt and measured. I'm not saying that business don't like a Trump administration, but i'm not sure as to how much credit belongs to Obama/Biden vs Trump?pence. :twocents:


Because we all know tax cuts on the rich, military expansion and increased spending, coupled with deregulation always lead to perpetual growth. :lol:

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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

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Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:
Because we all know tax cuts on the rich, military expansion and increased spending, coupled with deregulation always lead to perpetual growth. :lol:

So much hate for Reagan. :ohno:



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Postby GannonFan » Tue May 28, 2019 2:19 pm

Ibanez wrote:
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Conks are full of hate 24/7.....365 days/year......always. We've got a lot of catching up to do after 8 years of Clinton hate and 8 years of Obama hate. :thumb:

:coffee:

Yeah, there wasn't any Bush Hate.


Indeed. W was, as far as I remember, the first President to be habitually compared with Hitler and the Nazis. It's something we can all chuckle about now in the Trump era, but protestors really thought W was right up there with the most evil of dictators.
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby Ibanez » Tue May 28, 2019 2:33 pm

GannonFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Why can't someone argue that the reason the economy is doing well is because of something a previous administration has done. Isn't that what is said about the 1990s? That Clinton was enjoying the benefits of Reagan policies? It often takes years for the effects of policies, legislation, initiatives, etc... to be felt and measured. I'm not saying that business don't like a Trump administration, but i'm not sure as to how much credit belongs to Obama/Biden vs Trump?pence. :twocents:


Well, who's to say then that the current boom we're in isn't really due ultimately to George W and his TARP response to the '08 recession? Where are his kudos?

Good point. I think ultimately we give props to King George.


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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College

Postby mainejeff » Tue May 28, 2019 3:46 pm

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Ibanez wrote:Yeah, there wasn't any Bush Hate.


Indeed. W was, as far as I remember, the first President to be habitually compared with Hitler and the Nazis. It's something we can all chuckle about now in the Trump era, but protestors really thought W was right up there with the most evil of dictators.


I thought that Cheney was the evil one.....Dubya was just dumb.

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