Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College
Trump "renegotiated" NAFTA? (Pending Congressional approval, approval of Mexico, and approval by Canada)
Kinda like how he "ended" NK's nuke program? (Pending NK approval)
Kinda like how he "ended" NK's nuke program? (Pending NK approval)
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College
We can go back and forth on some of the regulations.BDKJMU wrote:Newsflash- it wasn’t just the wealthy that got tax cuts.Ibanez wrote:
One could argue that the economy is an extension of Obama's policies. What has Trump done, actually done, for the economy? Trade wars? Tax cut for the wealthy?
And deregulation.
And ending the Obamacare mandate.
And renegotiating NAFTA.
And pulling out of the Paris Climate deal which would have cost our economy trillions.
How’s that NAFTA 2.0 going? Has Congress approved it?
I would’ve preferred amending the ACA but I did disagree with requiring Americans to be consumers.
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Let’s not forget the tariffs which are hurting our farmers.Skjellyfetti wrote:Trump "renegotiated" NAFTA? (Pending Congressional approval, approval of Mexico, and approval by Canada)
Kinda like how he "ended" NK's nuke program? (Pending NK approval)
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Why wouldn't Congress approve NAFTA 2?Ibanez wrote:We can go back and forth on some of the regulations.BDKJMU wrote: Newsflash- it wasn’t just the wealthy that got tax cuts.
And deregulation.
And ending the Obamacare mandate.
And renegotiating NAFTA.
And pulling out of the Paris Climate deal which would have cost our economy trillions.
How’s that NAFTA 2.0 going? Has Congress approved it?
I would’ve preferred amending the ACA but I did disagree with requiring Americans to be consumers.
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Orange Man Bad.SeattleGriz wrote:Why wouldn't Congress approve NAFTA 2?Ibanez wrote:
We can go back and forth on some of the regulations.
How’s that NAFTA 2.0 going? Has Congress approved it?
I would’ve preferred amending the ACA but I did disagree with requiring Americans to be consumers.
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College
I was responding to what appeared to be an assertion that there are varying degrees of kookiness to believing in Santa ClausChizzang wrote:Really..?CID1990 wrote:
Well, if we’re going to knock people for their mythologies I don’t know how we quantify Mormons as being worse than anybody else
more stupid stuff is "more" stupid than the regular amount of stupid stuff
it can be pretty easily measured
if you're seriously suggesting that Mormonism isn't easily recognized as "dumber" than Catholicism
then I will gladly explain how that works
Dumb can be measured - it's quantifiable
So how much Santa Claus can a politician believe in and still be qualified for high office in your highly quantifiable world?
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College
In my highly quantifiable worldCID1990 wrote:I was responding to what appeared to be an assertion that there are varying degrees of kookiness to believing in Santa ClausChizzang wrote:
Really..?
more stupid stuff is "more" stupid than the regular amount of stupid stuff
it can be pretty easily measured
if you're seriously suggesting that Mormonism isn't easily recognized as "dumber" than Catholicism
then I will gladly explain how that works
Dumb can be measured - it's quantifiable
So how much Santa Claus can a politician believe in and still be qualified for high office in your highly quantifiable world?
(and thank you for that nod, I laughed)
A politician can believe in the common Religions of antiquity
pretty much anything handed down for the past 1500 years or so (or more)
but not Ben Carson level - where you have portraits painted of you and your deity embracing
and certainly nothing freshly concocted (see: L.Ron Hubbard)
where even a brief moment of reasonable investigation destroys the foundation
at least the olde tyme religions can stand on ancient fables
and make no mention of how God is so much less helpful today
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And yet here I am making money, Brown and black unemployment is at historic lows...UNI88 wrote:+1Ibanez wrote: How much power does the American President truly have over the economy? Our economy is massive and contains many moving parts. It's global. Is it a combo of Obama policies, Trump policies, the environment many people perceive to exist under Republican leadership? Those are sincere questions. American Presidents can't bend the market to their will - if that were so than we'd always have a great economy and wouldn't have any recessions or depressions. I'm not sure the POTUS is that powerful.
That's not to say, the DOW/S&P might not rise or fall based on a tweet or proposed tariff. But the stock market isn't the economy. Last year we saw stocks drop over fears that economic growth was too strong. So, it's not a 1:1 relationship.
The economy is yuge and impacted by a yuge number of factors.
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...but I guess Trump had nothing to do with it...mmmkay...
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No different than pallets of cash improving relations with Iran.Skjellyfetti wrote:Trump "renegotiated" NAFTA? (Pending Congressional approval, approval of Mexico, and approval by Canada)
Kinda like how he "ended" NK's nuke program? (Pending NK approval)
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Do either of you guys know enough about NAFTA 2 to know whether it'd be a good idea for Congress to approve it or not. I will say up front that I do not.BDKJMU wrote:Orange Man Bad.SeattleGriz wrote:Why wouldn't Congress approve NAFTA 2?
But I'll also say that I have ZERO confidence in Trump knowing what he's doing in dealing with things like that.
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Re: Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College
I don’t know. I think it’s smart to revise trade agreements and laws. What worked in the 90s might not work in the 2020s.SeattleGriz wrote:Why wouldn't Congress approve NAFTA 2?Ibanez wrote:
We can go back and forth on some of the regulations.
How’s that NAFTA 2.0 going? Has Congress approved it?
I would’ve preferred amending the ACA but I did disagree with requiring Americans to be consumers.
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Trump may be contributing to the environment that allows it but still - he can’t move the economy in one way or the other. There are so many other factors in play.SDHornet wrote:And yet here I am making money, Brown and black unemployment is at historic lows...UNI88 wrote:+1
The economy is yuge and impacted by a yuge number of factors.
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...but I guess Trump had nothing to do with it...mmmkay...
Besides - can you honestly prove that Trump alone is the reason for a strong economy?
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I do know the new agreement reduces the dumping of Chinese goods into America.JohnStOnge wrote:Do either of you guys know enough about NAFTA 2 to know whether it'd be a good idea for Congress to approve it or not. I will say up front that I do not.BDKJMU wrote: Orange Man Bad.
But I'll also say that I have ZERO confidence in Trump knowing what he's doing in dealing with things like that.
Chinese would build a product, sell it to Mexico and Mexico would then bring it to America via NAFTA.
Trump even said the Chinese were smart to take advantage of that situation.
That's all I really cared about. Keep the N American trade among N America.
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The further removed from magical happenings that underpin their entire basis, the more credibility they have. That's certainly quantifiableChizzang wrote:In my highly quantifiable worldCID1990 wrote:
I was responding to what appeared to be an assertion that there are varying degrees of kookiness to believing in Santa Claus
So how much Santa Claus can a politician believe in and still be qualified for high office in your highly quantifiable world?
(and thank you for that nod, I laughed)
A politician can believe in the common Religions of antiquity
pretty much anything handed down for the past 1500 years or so (or more)
but not Ben Carson level - where you have portraits painted of you and your deity embracing
and certainly nothing freshly concocted (see: L.Ron Hubbard)
where even a brief moment of reasonable investigation destroys the foundation
at least the olde tyme religions can stand on ancient fables
and make no mention of how God is so much less helpful today
What about neo-Vikings like klam? Odin's a lot older than Abraham.
BTW I'll say this for Mormons - I work with a lot of them (they are prolific in the FS) and no Mormon ever creeped me out, proselytized to me, asked me if I was saved, tried to convince me that the earth is only about 6000 years old, etc... I also find them to be highly professional at work. Although he's a big government Republican, Romney was more qualified to the executive office than anybody since GHWB... magical underwear or not
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You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Mormon here in the Pacific North WestCID1990 wrote:The further removed from magical happenings that underpin their entire basis, the more credibility they have. That's certainly quantifiableChizzang wrote:
In my highly quantifiable world
(and thank you for that nod, I laughed)
A politician can believe in the common Religions of antiquity
pretty much anything handed down for the past 1500 years or so (or more)
but not Ben Carson level - where you have portraits painted of you and your deity embracing
and certainly nothing freshly concocted (see: L.Ron Hubbard)
where even a brief moment of reasonable investigation destroys the foundation
at least the olde tyme religions can stand on ancient fables
and make no mention of how God is so much less helpful today
What about neo-Vikings like klam? Odin's a lot older than Abraham.
BTW I'll say this for Mormons - I work with a lot of them (they are prolific in the FS) and no Mormon ever creeped me out, proselytized to me, asked me if I was saved, tried to convince me that the earth is only about 6000 years old, etc... I also find them to be highly professional at work. Although he's a big government Republican, Romney was more qualified to the executive office than anybody since GHWB... magical underwear or not
I've worked with many and also find them to be charming and professional and kind
and they don't proselytize because they understand how deranged the core of their faith is
they are the ONLY religion (to my knowledge) that has actively re-written their book (in real time)
to delete out the really stupid stuff as well as actively hide their fundamentalist brothers
They get the game...
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We’ve got 16 branches in Utah. 95% of our employees are Mormon. To a PERSON they are clean cut, professional, engaged and motivated. If that’s bad, I don’t want to be good.
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Living in Utah,I find their beliefs weird, but they are ethical in business, polite, and overall decent people. But, if you are not one of them, you get nowhere in the areas they dominate.
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Well then... sounds like all the older, more "established" religions could benefit from the Mormon modelChizzang wrote:You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Mormon here in the Pacific North WestCID1990 wrote:
The further removed from magical happenings that underpin their entire basis, the more credibility they have. That's certainly quantifiable
What about neo-Vikings like klam? Odin's a lot older than Abraham.
BTW I'll say this for Mormons - I work with a lot of them (they are prolific in the FS) and no Mormon ever creeped me out, proselytized to me, asked me if I was saved, tried to convince me that the earth is only about 6000 years old, etc... I also find them to be highly professional at work. Although he's a big government Republican, Romney was more qualified to the executive office than anybody since GHWB... magical underwear or not
I've worked with many and also find them to be charming and professional and kind
and they don't proselytize because they understand how deranged the core of their faith is
they are the ONLY religion (to my knowledge) that has actively re-written their book (in real time)
to delete out the really stupid stuff as well as actively hide their fundamentalist brothers
They get the game...
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Some great entertainers toomainejeff wrote:I love Mormons.
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She's an outlier......but I LOVE Gladys!Gil Dobie wrote:Some great entertainers toomainejeff wrote:I love Mormons.
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The Mormons I have experience with, were also really good at sticking together. They tend to only associate with other Mormons.mainejeff wrote:I love Mormons.
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Why would they want to associate with anyone else? They have it all....a perfect white Utopia. No wonder so many jealous Catholics and Baptists make fun of them.SeattleGriz wrote:The Mormons I have experience with, were also really good at sticking together. They tend to only associate with other Mormons.mainejeff wrote:I love Mormons.
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I had a Hispanic Mormon room-mate for a couple years. Great friend, still keep in touch.
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That’s a new one. Plenty of Samoan Mormons, but never knew of a Hispanic one. My nephew is dating a “Mormon chick” now.Gil Dobie wrote:I had a Hispanic Mormon room-mate for a couple years. Great friend, still keep in touch.
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