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Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:29 pm
by Cap'n Cat
http://www.marxwasright.com/

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A number of the world’s biggest banks have crashed, surviving only through massive financial injections from world governments. The stock markets in Asia, Europe and the Americas have lost over $25 trillion dollars since the beginning of 2008. Over one million people in the U.S. alone have lost their jobs in the same period. South Korea’s stock market index has fallen 42.6 percent. Countries from Singapore to the U.S. to Germany are “officially” in recession. News continues to come in at a rate that makes it impossible for us to keep up with, but needless to say things are only continuing to get worse.

So what did Marx say?

"The ultimate reason for all real crises always remains the poverty and restricted consumption of the masses as opposed to the drive of capitalist production to develop the productive forces as though only the absolute consuming power of society constituted their limit.” - Capital, Volume III, Chapter 30.


"...n the same measure in which the capitalists are compelled.... to exploit the already existing gigantic means of production on an ever-increasing scale, and for this purpose to set in motion all the mainsprings of credit, in the same measure do they increase the industrial earthquakes, in the midst of which the commercial world can preserve itself only by sacrificing a portion of its wealth, its products, and even its forces of production, to the gods of the lower world – in short, the crises increase. They become more frequent and more violent, if for no other reason, than for this alone, that in the same measure in which the mass of products grows, and there the needs for extensive markets, in the same measure does the world market shrink ever more, and ever fewer markets remain to be exploited, since every previous crisis has subjected to the commerce of the world a hitherto unconquered or but superficially exploited market." - Wage-Labor & Capital, Chapter 9.



“Contradiction in the capitalist mode of production: the laborers as buyers of commodities are important for the market. But as sellers of their own commodity — labor-power — capitalist society tends to keep them down to the minimum price.

“Further contradiction: the periods in which capitalist production exerts all its forces regularly turn out to be periods of over-production, because production potentials can never be utilised to such an extent that more value may not only be produced but also realised; but the sale of commodities, the realisation of commodity-capital and thus of surplus-value, is limited, not by the consumer requirements of society in general, but by the consumer requirements of a society in which the vast majority are always poor and must always remain poor.” - Capital, Volume II, Chapter 16.


Better go out to the Barnes and Noble there at the Eastside Mall, Tman, IF it's still in business, and pick yer ass up a new copy of Das Kapital, bitch, and learn the truth.



America's collapse completed by 2011.

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:37 pm
by UNI88
Cap'n,

Marx may have been right but do you realize what is going to happen when all of the over-achieving uber-capitalists realize that we are shifting to a socialistic society? They're going to give up their private sector jobs and go where the real power and influence will be - the government. They'll buy and/or work their way up to positions with greater power and influence. Eventually they'll be running the country when they aren't slugging vodka at their dachas or sicking the FBI/KGB on troublemakers like yourself. You'll be sent to a gulag. :D

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:43 pm
by Grizalltheway
UNI88 wrote:Cap'n,

Marx may have been right but do you realize what is going to happen when all of the over-achieving uber-capitalists realize that we are shifting to a socialistic society? They're going to give up their private sector jobs and go where the real power and influence will be - the government. They'll buy and/or work their way up to positions with greater power and influence. Eventually they'll be running the country when they aren't slugging vodka at their dachas or sicking the FBI/KGB on troublemakers like yourself. You'll be sent to a gulag. :D
Either that or they'll move to their hideout in Colorado. I think T-man's already snapped up some property outside of Colorado Springs. :shock:

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:07 am
by OL FU
He cert'nly was :D

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Money frees you from doing things you dislike. Since I dislike doing nearly everything, money is handy.

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:02 pm
by Cleets Part 2
Screwing people over for money is as old as time.... it didn't take Capitalism circa 2009 to discover this...
Screwing the entire world over for trillions of dollars - that took Capitalism circa 2009 to accomplish






:mrgreen:

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:19 pm
by OL FU
Cleets Part 2 wrote:Screwing people over for money is as old as time.... it didn't take Capitalism circa 2009 to discover this...
Screwing the entire world over for trillions of dollars - that took Capitalism circa 2009 to accomplish






:mrgreen:

Looks like some of those capitalist screwed themselves out of trillions of dollars :?

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:21 pm
by UNI88
Cleets Part 2 wrote:Screwing people over for money is as old as time.... it didn't take Capitalism circa 2009 to discover this...
Screwing the entire world over for trillions of dollars - that took Capitalism circa 2009 to accomplish


:mrgreen:
But would the trillions of dollars have been available if it weren't for Capitalism? That is the question we must ponder. :?:


The country might be better served if our politicians followed the verbal philosophy of another Marx brother...

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Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:42 pm
by OL FU
Harpo Starring as former Att General Elliott Spencer taking the nasty Wall Street Tycoons

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Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:53 pm
by Cap'n Cat
The Marx Brothers were amateurs compared to the Three Stooges.

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:04 pm
by travelinman67
WTAG wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Cap'n,

Marx may have been right but do you realize what is going to happen when all of the over-achieving uber-capitalists realize that we are shifting to a socialistic society? They're going to give up their private sector jobs and go where the real power and influence will be - the government. They'll buy and/or work their way up to positions with greater power and influence. Eventually they'll be running the country when they aren't slugging vodka at their dachas or sicking the FBI/KGB on troublemakers like yourself. You'll be sent to a gulag. :D
Either that or they'll move to their hideout in Colorado. I think T-man's already snapped up some property outside of Colorado Springs. :shock:
Pass. I'm investing in food processing facilities in Wisconsin. Just bought a plant and have instituted mandatory "team building" exercising a the beginning of each shift. It'll be good for Cap's health and productivity...

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Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:06 pm
by OL FU
Cap'n Cat wrote:The Marx Brothers were amateurs compared to the Three Stooges.
This from the person who believes Iggy Pop was the greatest musician to ever live :lol:

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:09 pm
by Cap'n Cat
OL FU wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:The Marx Brothers were amateurs compared to the Three Stooges.
This from the person who believes Iggy Pop was the greatest musician to ever live :lol:


I don't think I ever said "musician", F'r, cause he's not. Performer, yes; act, yes; showman, yes.

If you ever listened to any Pop or Stooges, you'd know what the intelligentsia are talking about.

:roll:





:lol:

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:10 pm
by Cap'n Cat
travelinman67 wrote:
WTAG wrote:
Either that or they'll move to their hideout in Colorado. I think T-man's already snapped up some property outside of Colorado Springs. :shock:
Pass. I'm investing in food processing facilities in Wisconsin. Just bought a plant and have instituted mandatory "team building" exercising a the beginning of each shift. It'll be good for Cap's health and productivity...
Man, I had an INR done today and I was 4.1, highest ever in my life. Gotta skip tonight's dose. Also, have some unexplainable bruising.

:?: :?:

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:18 pm
by OL FU
Cap'n Cat wrote:
OL FU wrote:
This from the person who believes Iggy Pop was the greatest musician to ever live :lol:


I don't think I ever said "musician", F'r, cause he's not. Performer, yes; act, yes; showman, yes.

If you ever listened to any Pop or Stooges, you'd know what the intelligentsia are talking about.

:roll:





:lol:
Well his band was called the Stooges so I guess that explains the entire discussion ;)

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:45 pm
by AZGrizFan
Actually, I believe Marx was pretty far LEFT.

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:53 pm
by UNI88
AZGrizFan wrote:Actually, I believe Marx was pretty far LEFT.
Hey Jed, isn't it time for you to head for your hideout up in the mountains?







WOLVERINES!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:58 pm
by AZGrizFan
UNI88 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Actually, I believe Marx was pretty far LEFT.
Hey Jed, isn't it time for you to head for your hideout up in the mountains?







WOLVERINES!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Gettin' there....gettin' there. :| :| :|

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:02 pm
by dbackjon
UNI88 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Actually, I believe Marx was pretty far LEFT.
Hey Jed, isn't it time for you to head for your hideout up in the mountains?







WOLVERINES!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
he's too busy jetting across the country...

(And I bet he flies first class, too) :)

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:10 pm
by Purple For Life
Anyone notice how fast threads devolve here? ;)

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:16 pm
by dbackjon
Purple For Life wrote:Anyone notice how fast threads devolve here? ;)
What ever do you mean?

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:20 pm
by AZGrizFan
dbackjon wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
Hey Jed, isn't it time for you to head for your hideout up in the mountains?







WOLVERINES!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
he's too busy jetting across the country...

(And I bet he flies first class, too) :)
You people have no CLUE about the difference between a bank and a credit union. :| :| :| ;)

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:26 pm
by dbackjon
AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
he's too busy jetting across the country...

(And I bet he flies first class, too) :)
You people have no CLUE about the difference between a bank and a credit union. :| :| :| ;)
There is a difference?

I am stuck in Tempe - you are the one jetting to exotic locations like Houston and Newark.

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:30 pm
by Cap'n Cat
There is no difference btw a bank and a credit union. Who you trying to kid, Cheney?


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:00 pm
by bench
AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
he's too busy jetting across the country...

(And I bet he flies first class, too) :)
You people have no CLUE about the difference between a bank and a credit union. :| :| :| ;)
If I stick up a credit union, do I get Monopoly money instead of real cash? Will I get locked up with the Hamburglar or will I get sent to federal-fuck-me-in-the-ass prison? All kidding aside, besides some differing operating principles aren't they mostly the same? And you've already told us about your bling and your hoopty, Holmes. You can't bullshit us about that :lol:

Re: Sorry, Conks. Turns Out Marx Was Right After All....

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:01 pm
by clenz
What the hell is the difference. People at Unions hate banks and visa versa, yet no one has given me a good reason why and what the differences really are.