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93henfan wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:But Iran was at war with Iraq for many years and it ended in a draw. We took Iraq in a matter of days. Sure, size matters (she said), but are they able to put up a sizable fight? Does the current regime really have the support of it's people?

You do realize that Iraq was given billions in cash from Saudi Arabia, the US, and Europe.

And the US provided military equipment, advising, and intelligence?

And Iraq was right next door, not having to mobilize an Army, Navy, and Air Force halfway around the globe.

And it was a popular war.

And they still couldn't beat Iran.

Also, we took Iraq in a matter of days (after months of build-up and weeks of aerial bombardment with air superiority) for the reasons I previously mentioned. It's a wide-open sandbox. A dream for military planners. You can see EVERYTHING on the battlefield, and they have nowhere to hide.

93henfan wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:But Iran was at war with Iraq for many years and it ended in a draw. We took Iraq in a matter of days. Sure, size matters (she said), but are they able to put up a sizable fight? Does the current regime really have the support of it's people?

You do realize that Iraq was given billions in cash from Saudi Arabia, the US, and Europe?

And the US provided military equipment, advising, and intelligence?

And Iraq was right next door, not having to mobilize an Army, Navy, and Air Force halfway around the globe.

And it was a popular war.

And they still couldn't beat Iran.

Also, we took Iraq in a matter of days (after months of build-up and weeks of aerial bombardment with air superiority) for the reasons I previously mentioned. It's a wide-open sandbox. A dream for military planners. You can see EVERYTHING on the battlefield, and they have nowhere to hide.

93henfan wrote:Nukes if they use them first, obviously. Otherwise, no. The US doesn't nuke countries that don't attack us unprovoked.

Turning Tehran to glass would be pretty awesome though, I must admit.

93henfan wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:But Iran was at war with Iraq for many years and it ended in a draw. We took Iraq in a matter of days. Sure, size matters (she said), but are they able to put up a sizable fight? Does the current regime really have the support of it's people?

You do realize that Iraq was given billions in cash from Saudi Arabia, the US, and Europe?

And the US provided military equipment, advising, and intelligence?

And Iraq was right next door, not having to mobilize an Army, Navy, and Air Force halfway around the globe.

And it was a popular war.

And they still couldn't beat Iran.

Also, we took Iraq in a matter of days (after months of build-up and weeks of aerial bombardment with air superiority) for the reasons I previously mentioned. It's a wide-open sandbox. A dream for military planners. You can see EVERYTHING on the battlefield, and they have nowhere to hide.

AZGrizFan wrote:

93henfan wrote:
That'll be popular with the rest of the world.

Who gives a shit about the rest of the world?

We need oil.

kalm wrote:Those Muslims sometimes get cocky. Like when they challenged the grandson of Ghengis Khan so he drained all their irrigation canals and then laid waste to Baghdad where the Euphrates first ran red with the blood of a million Muslims and then black from the ink of all the books destroyed in the great libraries.

It’s kind of like Montana football in 2010. It set them back a ton.

93henfan wrote:Btw, I was joking a bit with the title of the thread. I sat in on the Op Plan rehearsals on NorKo and Iran every year when I wore a uniform. We don't win a war with Iran. Sure, we win kill count and BDA by a mile, but this country doesn't have the will to beat a mountainous country the size of Iran. Iran is easily twice as difficult to hold as Afghanistan, which we only tenuously held for a few years before we decided to peace out except for a few outposts, a green zone in the capital, and a couple of big air bases.

Expect a few Tomahawks or a sunken patrol boat and not much else. Let Israel **** with them. That would be more fun to watch anyway.

Ivytalk wrote:Tinpot tough guys Bolton and Pompeo should get a one-way ticket to Tehran and pushed off the plane at 10,000 feet. Talking about war has a way of bringing one on.

kalm wrote:Those Muslims sometimes get cocky. Like when they challenged the grandson of Ghengis Khan so he drained all their irrigation canals and then laid waste to Baghdad where the Euphrates first ran red with the blood of a million Muslims and then black from the ink of all the books destroyed in the great libraries.

It’s kind of like Montana football in 2010. It set them back a ton.

SeattleGriz wrote:

kalm wrote:Those Muslims sometimes get cocky. Like when they challenged the grandson of Ghengis Khan so he drained all their irrigation canals and then laid waste to Baghdad where the Euphrates first ran red with the blood of a million Muslims and then black from the ink of all the books destroyed in the great libraries.

It’s kind of like Montana football in 2010. It set them back a ton.

Was that the game we rushed the hell out of the ball, only to lose on your new red turf to two late TDs?

houndawg wrote:
After 18 straight years of war we have to start thinking about what to do if one of these wars dries up. Its only prudent to have a war or two "on deck" just in case the unthinkable happens.

kalm wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:Was that the game we rushed the hell out of the ball, only to lose on your new red turf to two late TDs?

We outgained you on the ground. Taiwan rushed for over 220 that day. We kicked a field goal with seconds left got penalized for rushing the field on the ensuing kickoff, and then scored a TD scoop and score sack as time expired. Rushed the field a second time.

IIRC Blackfalkin had already picked that win, an EWU run to the Championship, and the demise of Griz football.

andy7171 wrote:Pretty sure the people of Iran would like to get from under the mullahs. Didn’t the have a big uprising while Obama sat on his hands and looked the other way.


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∞∞∞ wrote:Let's see how it plays out, but so far President Trump might be the only person in his administration that doesn't have a hard-on for war and is (correctly) keeping us from a conflict with Iran.

And in the end, that's all that matters.

kalm wrote:Those Muslims sometimes get cocky. Like when they challenged the grandson of Ghengis Khan so he drained all their irrigation canals and then laid waste to Baghdad where the Euphrates first ran red with the blood of a million Muslims and then black from the ink of all the books destroyed in the great libraries.

It’s kind of like Montana football in 2010. It set them back a ton.

93henfan wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote:This morning, C-SPAN was asking callers what they thought about a potential conflict with Iran.

It's amazing how many are so willing to go to war, and how quick they forget about the current "War on Terror." One woman called and said she'd be proud if her son went to liberate oppressed people (as if that's the reason we'd fight Iran).

Most people don't comprehend the size of Iran, or the fact that it is mountainous.

The open Iraqi desert was a showroom for the M1 tank and US air superiority. All that is handcuffed badly once you add terrain and cover.

And because mufuggers are lazy, I'll take the liberty of cutting and pasting Google Maps below, to show the size comparisons of Afghanistan and Iraq to Iran:

∞∞∞ wrote:I'd be surprised if half of Americans know where Iran is. Hell I'd be surprised if they knew where Iraq or Afghanistan are located after 18 years of fighting there.

edit: somewhat related, but a former evangelical co-worker of mine who was obsessed with zionism had no idea where Israel was. She laughed it off "as a brain fart" when she couldn't find it on a map (or even the general region it was in).