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Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby dbackjon » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:35 am

Michigan representative Justin Amash - who is one of the few on the right to completely read the Mueller report and then having read it understood that Donald Trump must be impeached, left the GOP today




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 4e5TeVtGRK
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby Ibanez » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:47 am

Good for him.


Unfortunately he will he chastised for having an opinion. I can’t wait to read whatever tweet Trump can muster up.


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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby Ivytalk » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:30 am

So he’ll run for re-election as an independent, where he’ll have a better chance of re-election than as a Republican. Straight-ballot voting in MI may still hurt him.

Libertarian Twitter feeds are blowing up today, but he probably won’t go LP. :twocents:
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby CitadelGrad » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:14 am

dbackjon wrote:Michigan representative Justin Amash - who is one of the few on the right to completely read the Mueller report and then having read it understood that Donald Trump must be impeached, left the GOP today




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 4e5TeVtGRK


He left the GOP because he knew he was going to be primaried.
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby Ivytalk » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:03 am

CitadelGrad wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Michigan representative Justin Amash - who is one of the few on the right to completely read the Mueller report and then having read it understood that Donald Trump must be impeached, left the GOP today




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 4e5TeVtGRK


He left the GOP because he knew he was going to be primaried.

Of course. He’s already down double digits in the polls to a Trumpbot. He wants to stay politically relevant, and an independent run may be the only way to do that. I guarantee you that he speaks for a bigger slice of America than the media give him credit for.
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby CitadelGrad » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:34 am

Ivytalk wrote:
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He left the GOP because he knew he was going to be primaried.

Of course. He’s already down double digits in the polls to a Trumpbot. He wants to stay politically relevant, and an independent run may be the only way to do that. I guarantee you that he speaks for a bigger slice of America than the media give him credit for.


If that were true, he probably wouldn't be down double digits.
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Re: RE: Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby UNI88 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:46 am

CitadelGrad wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Of course. He’s already down double digits in the polls to a Trumpbot. He wants to stay politically relevant, and an independent run may be the only way to do that. I guarantee you that he speaks for a bigger slice of America than the media give him credit for.


If that were true, he probably wouldn't be down double digits.


Being down by double digits in the Conk primary which is dominated by the far right fringe (just like the Donk primary is dominated by the far left fringe) doesn't mean he doesn't speak for the big slice of America in the middle.

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Re: RE: Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby CitadelGrad » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:18 pm

UNI88 wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:
If that were true, he probably wouldn't be down double digits.


Being down by double digits in the Conk primary which is dominated by the far right fringe (just like the Donk primary is dominated by the far left fringe) doesn't mean he doesn't speak for the big slice of America in the middle.

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Does the big slice in the American middle want Trump impeached or believe the bullshit Russian collusion story?
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby UNI88 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:24 pm

CitadelGrad wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
Being down by double digits in the Conk primary which is dominated by the far right fringe (just like the Donk primary is dominated by the far left fringe) doesn't mean he doesn't speak for the big slice of America in the middle.

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Does the big slice in the American middle want Trump impeached or believe the bullshit Russian collusion story?


I don't think so. Of course I also don't think they wanted Obama removed or believed the bullshit birther story that the right wingnuts made such a big deal of.

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Re: RE: Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby kalm » Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:11 pm

CitadelGrad wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
Being down by double digits in the Conk primary which is dominated by the far right fringe (just like the Donk primary is dominated by the far left fringe) doesn't mean he doesn't speak for the big slice of America in the middle.

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Does the big slice in the American middle want Trump impeached or believe the bullshit Russian collusion story?


About half of them do.

(Depending on what you view as the middle)
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby CID1990 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:43 pm

"The two-party system has evolved into an existential threat to American principles and institutions”

That’s true^^^^^


As soon as Trump is gone and Kamala Harris is President you lefties will go back to trashing people like Amash. But for now, yeah go team


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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby Chizzang » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:44 pm

CID1990 wrote:"The two-party system has evolved into an existential threat to American principles and institutions”

That’s true^^^^^


As soon as Trump is gone and Kamala Harris is President you lefties will go back to trashing people like Amash. But for now, yeah go team


Do you mean Trump..?
or Lefties..?

Trump has called Amash "a total lightweight" and "a loser who sadly plays right into our opponents hands!” on social media.
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby CID1990 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:56 pm

Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:"The two-party system has evolved into an existential threat to American principles and institutions”

That’s true^^^^^


As soon as Trump is gone and Kamala Harris is President you lefties will go back to trashing people like Amash. But for now, yeah go team


Do you mean Trump..?
or Lefties..?

Trump has called Amash "a total lightweight" and "a loser who sadly plays right into our opponents hands!” on social media.


I think it is already well established that anyone who doesn’t march in lockstep with Trump is a loser, and sad!

So the answer is both - except Trump is bashing Amash now and then we’ll hear no more about it unless Amash runs for the LP nomination

But once Trump is gone, Amash will go back to being a caveman who wants to starve babies and give in to Comcast


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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby JohnStOnge » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:08 pm

CitadelGrad wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Michigan representative Justin Amash - who is one of the few on the right to completely read the Mueller report and then having read it understood that Donald Trump must be impeached, left the GOP today




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 4e5TeVtGRK


He left the GOP because he knew he was going to be primaried.


He took the high road. That's the thing. It's like when people acted like there is something wrong with what Jeff Flake did. Jeff Flake knew that he could not, in the context of what's going on in the Republican Party right now, maintain integrity and principle and get through a Republican Primary. So he left. That's not cowardice. That's integrity.

Same with Amash. He realizes that he cannot maintain integrity and win a Republican primary right now.

The slime balls are those Republicans like Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, et. al. who suck up to the atrocity that is Trump because they want to get through Republican primaries. They will not speak the truth.

Jeff Flake spoke the truth. Jusin Amash speaks the truth. And the fact that they are no longer Republican office holders is not a poor reflection on them. It's a poor reflection on the Republican Party.
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby kalm » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:10 pm

Is it ok that I liked Amash before he left the party?
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby BDKJMU » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:11 pm

Ibanez wrote:Good for him.


Unfortunately he will he chastised for having an opinion. I can’t wait to read whatever tweet Trump can muster up.


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What opinion is that? I'm leaving the Republican party. Impeach Trump!

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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby CID1990 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:16 pm

kalm wrote:Is it ok that I liked Amash before he left the party?


Well the common election season tropes have never really been your schtick, so, I'll allow it.

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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby Ivytalk » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:39 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:
He left the GOP because he knew he was going to be primaried.


He took the high road. That's the thing. It's like when people acted like there is something wrong with what Jeff Flake did. Jeff Flake knew that he could not, in the context of what's going on in the Republican Party right now, maintain integrity and principle and get through a Republican Primary. So he left. That's not cowardice. That's integrity.

Same with Amash. He realizes that he cannot maintain integrity and win a Republican primary right now.

The slime balls are those Republicans like Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, et. al. who suck up to the atrocity that is Trump because they want to get through Republican primaries. They will not speak the truth.

Jeff Flake spoke the truth. Jusin Amash speaks the truth. And the fact that they are no longer Republican office holders is not a poor reflection on them. It's a poor reflection on the Republican Party.

But Jeff Flake is still a Republican. And, rather than switch to independent, Flake pulled a “brave, brave Sir Robin” and buggered off. He’s now a well-compensated consultant to CBS News, thus becoming the MSM’s favorite Republican du jour.

Equating Jeff Flake with Justin Amash doesn’t pass the laugh test. :dunce:
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby CID1990 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:20 pm

Ivytalk wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
He took the high road. That's the thing. It's like when people acted like there is something wrong with what Jeff Flake did. Jeff Flake knew that he could not, in the context of what's going on in the Republican Party right now, maintain integrity and principle and get through a Republican Primary. So he left. That's not cowardice. That's integrity.

Same with Amash. He realizes that he cannot maintain integrity and win a Republican primary right now.

The slime balls are those Republicans like Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, et. al. who suck up to the atrocity that is Trump because they want to get through Republican primaries. They will not speak the truth.

Jeff Flake spoke the truth. Jusin Amash speaks the truth. And the fact that they are no longer Republican office holders is not a poor reflection on them. It's a poor reflection on the Republican Party.

But Jeff Flake is still a Republican. And, rather than switch to independent, Flake pulled a “brave, brave Sir Robin” and buggered off. He’s now a well-compensated consultant to CBS News, thus becoming the MSM’s favorite Republican du jour.

Equating Jeff Flake with Justin Amash doesn’t pass the laugh test. :dunce:


I was about to go there also

There is a definite distinction between the two

Also, for all his big talk, Flake voted almost completely in sync with the Trump bloc in the Senate


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Postby 89Hen » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:57 am

kalm wrote:Is it ok that I liked Amash before he left the party?

Sure you did. :lol:
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby kalm » Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:30 am

89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:Is it ok that I liked Amash before he left the party?

Sure you did. :lol:


Go back and search my posts, dork. I was one of the first on here to recognize Amash, as well as Ben Sasse from Nebraska. Some of us actually respect principled, honest players instead of partisan hackishness.

Good luck! :thumb:
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Postby 89Hen » Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:39 am

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote:Sure you did. :lol:


Go back and search my posts, dork. I was one of the first on here to recognize Amash, as well as Ben Sasse from Nebraska. Some of us actually respect principled, honest players instead of partisan hackishness.

Good luck! :thumb:

Wow, touchy... maybe I came closer to the truth on what was a joke response. Did you like Amash before or after he came out in favor of impeachment? :lol:
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby kalm » Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:41 am

89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Go back and search my posts, dork. I was one of the first on here to recognize Amash, as well as Ben Sasse from Nebraska. Some of us actually respect principled, honest players instead of partisan hackishness.

Good luck! :thumb:

Wow, touchy... maybe I came closer to the truth on what was a joke response. Did you like Amash before or after he came out in favor of impeachment? :lol:


Before that too. :coffee:
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Re: Justin Amash declares his independence

Postby JohnStOnge » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:08 am

CID1990 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:But Jeff Flake is still a Republican. And, rather than switch to independent, Flake pulled a “brave, brave Sir Robin” and buggered off. He’s now a well-compensated consultant to CBS News, thus becoming the MSM’s favorite Republican du jour.

Equating Jeff Flake with Justin Amash doesn’t pass the laugh test. :dunce:


I was about to go there also

There is a definite distinction between the two

Also, for all his big talk, Flake voted almost completely in sync with the Trump bloc in the Senate


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They took different paths. But neither of them went down the road of sacrificing their integrity in order to stay in office as a Republican. Flake chose to give up his office. Amash may try to stay in office as an independent.

Also, it's not so much about how Flake and Amash voted. It's about the fact that they were willing to publicly State that Trump's dishonest and otherwise atrocious behavior is not acceptable in a President. Amash is correct in saying he should be impeached. I checked the Mueller report to make sure he was accurate when he said that report indicates Trump directed McGhan to create a false record to deny that Trump told McGhan to see to it that Mueller was removed. And it does. The report does indicate that he directed McGhan to see to it that Mueller was removed and it does say Trump directed him to create a false record saying he did not. There is no way someone who would do that in the context of an investigation like that should be allowed to remain as President of the United States.

I thought Clinton should have been removed for lying but, to me, his offense was not nearly as serious as Trump's.

We all know that if a Democrat President did what Amash cited as his reason for saying Trump should be impeached the Republicans in Congress would be unanimous in demanding his or her removal from office. And it's possible that the Democrats would be acting like the Republicans are now.

That strongly speaks to Amash's integrity. He is a rare bird. He is speaking the truth instead of maintaining a Party line even when that Party line is wrong.
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Justin Amash declares his independence

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JohnStOnge wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I was about to go there also

There is a definite distinction between the two

Also, for all his big talk, Flake voted almost completely in sync with the Trump bloc in the Senate


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They took different paths. But neither of them went down the road of sacrificing their integrity in order to stay in office as a Republican. Flake chose to give up his office. Amash may try to stay in office as an independent.

Also, it's not so much about how Flake and Amash voted. It's about the fact that they were willing to publicly State that Trump's dishonest and otherwise atrocious behavior is not acceptable in a President. Amash is correct in saying he should be impeached. I checked the Mueller report to make sure he was accurate when he said that report indicates Trump directed McGhan to create a false record to deny that Trump told McGhan to see to it that Mueller was removed. And it does. The report does indicate that he directed McGhan to see to it that Mueller was removed and it does say Trump directed him to create a false record saying he did not. There is no way someone who would do that in the context of an investigation like that should be allowed to remain as President of the United States.

I thought Clinton should have been removed for lying but, to me, his offense was not nearly as serious as Trump's.

We all know that if a Democrat President did what Amash cited as his reason for saying Trump should be impeached the Republicans in Congress would be unanimous in demanding his or her removal from office. And it's possible that the Democrats would be acting like the Republicans are now.

That strongly speaks to Amash's integrity. He is a rare bird. He is speaking the truth instead of maintaining a Party line even when that Party line is wrong.


Hey John

Defend Flake’s voting record

Almost completely in lockstep with Trimp the Chimp

Look it up


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