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At least 18 shot as of now. El Paso PD said reports of multiple shooters, but the Garlic Festival had reports of 2 shooters, and turned out to be just 1 wack job.
https://www.ktsm.com/news/breaking-poss ... ista-mall/

Somebody made fun of the greeter for the LAST GODDAMN TIME


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CNN says three people are in custody. If it's a cooperative shooting, I'm betting on Ay-rabs and not angry 8-chan white guys.

Pwns wrote:CNN says three people are in custody. If it's a cooperative shooting, I'm betting on Ay-rabs and not angry 8-chan white guys.

Maybe it was incels. The Dems are including them in their white supremacist stats

21 year old white anti-immigration shooter. Sweet AK. Such bulky hearing protection!

Manifesto: https://www.scribd.com/document/4206689 ... -Manifesto

I love the conclusion stating the fake media will call him a white supremacist even though he's not...after an entire manifesto of typical white supremacist rhetoric. Fuck this guy.

RIP to the victims.

mainejeff2 wrote:I'm just copying and pasting this from now on......too many shootings to waste my time on new material.

mainejeff2 wrote:Most people that post on here could care less how many Americans die from gun violence. It's all about THEM.....which of course means if their wife or girlfriend or son or daughter or grandson or granddaughter were shot and killed in an act of random gun violence......they would be screaming at the top of their lungs.

*YAWN*

It is tragic but IMO we need to enforce existing laws and improve mental health care first.

And if we really wanted to do something about deaths caused by gun violence we'd be focusing our efforts on gang violence.

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Guns are not the problem. I was just looking back at an analysis I did using 2016 data. I looked at the homicide rate by State and how it relates to various factors. I used gun ownership rate, percent Black population, and percent in poverty as factors. Yes I know you can call me a racist for using percent Black population but, I'm sorry, it's clearly a factor.

Anyway, when you throw them all in there is sufficient evidence to say that percent Black population and percent poverty are factors in homicide rate. Gun ownership rate is not. In other words: There is not sufficient evidence to say that more guns means more homicides.

BTW I also did analyses like that using homicide rates by nation. Not with percent Black but with per capita income and gun ownership rate. Again: Gun ownership rate was not a "significant" factor. Per capita income was. But not gun ownership.

The idea that more guns equals more violence is a false one. It's just not there in the data.

UNI88 wrote:
And if we really wanted to do something about deaths caused by gun violence ...

What I would say is that we need to focus on deaths caused by violence while leaving the "gun" part out. Guns are not the cause of the violence. The two biggest mass murders in US history involved box cutters (9-11) and fertilizer (Oklahoma City bombing). Guns are tools. When you look at it worldwide or State by State there is no correlation between available guns and homicide among jurisdictions. If you're focusing on the tool you're focusing on the wrong thing.

Note: What you will often see are statements about correlations between guns and gun-related homicides. That's deceptive. What you should be looking at is correlation between guns and total homicides. The reason is obvious. There is a question as to whether someone who does not have a gun will find another way to kill people. You get the picture.

Democrat candidates rush call for more control, before the bodies are even cold. So predictable..
https://apnews.com/ec74c3c86d1f44c0afc40ba2c6c81702

So ... I guess the rash of murders in Chicongo won't be talked about by the crapstream media.

Dayton now. The Donks will be falling all over themselves by Monday’s news cycle.

Pwns wrote:So ... I guess the rash of murders in Chicongo won't be talked about by the crapstream media.

You're losing your touch, you didn't mention that Obama is from Chicago.

BDKJMU wrote:Democrat candidates rush call for more control, before the bodies are even cold. So predictable..
https://apnews.com/ec74c3c86d1f44c0afc40ba2c6c81702

This thread delivers!

Re: Breaking: Mass shooting El Paso
by Ivytalk » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:09 am

Dayton now. The Donks will be falling all over themselves by Monday’s news cycle.

Re: Breaking: Mass shooting El Paso
by Pwns » Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:58 am

So ... I guess the rash of murders in Chicongo won't be talked about by the crapstream media.

Re: Breaking: Mass shooting El Paso
by CID1990 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:20 pm

Pwns wrote:
CNN says three people are in custody. If it's a cooperative shooting, I'm betting on Ay-rabs and not angry 8-chan white guys.


Maybe it was incels. The Dems are including them in their white supremacist stats

BDKJMU wrote:Democrat candidates rush call for more control, before the bodies are even cold. So predictable..
https://apnews.com/ec74c3c86d1f44c0afc40ba2c6c81702

When is the best time to talk about it?

There's a mass shooting every few days.

UNI88 wrote:
It is tragic but IMO we need to enforce existing laws and improve mental health care first.

And if we really wanted to do something about deaths caused by gun violence we'd be focusing our efforts on gang violence.

There are so many things fueling the mentally unstable: Movies, TV shows, news/media, video games, etc.

It's like showing food related commercials, with aromas coming from the TV, to people in an eating disorder facility and then handing out coupons, forks, and providing a bus to the food court.

CAA Flagship wrote:

UNI88 wrote:
It is tragic but IMO we need to enforce existing laws and improve mental health care first.

And if we really wanted to do something about deaths caused by gun violence we'd be focusing our efforts on gang violence.

There are so many things fueling the mentally unstable: Movies, TV shows, news/media, video games, etc.

It's like showing food related commercials, with aromas coming from the TV, to people in an eating disorder facility and then handing out coupons, forks, and providing a bus to the food court.

Don't forget Presidents...

∞∞∞ wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: There are so many things fueling the mentally unstable: Movies, TV shows, news/media, video games, etc.

It's like showing food related commercials, with aromas coming from the TV, to people in an eating disorder facility and then handing out coupons, forks, and providing a bus to the food court.

Don't forget Presidents...

Trump said go out and shoot people? I must have missed that..

Trump and his ilk stir the pot with rhetoric from the bully pulpit. The Pesident is supposed to be the moral example to the country and its voice. Instead, he actively works against acceptance of "the other" and revs up fear and hate against immigrants, minorities, etc. (pick a group).

He won't acknowledge his role in setting the tone and direction for this murderous slaughter of innocents. The GOP is complicit.

Not that it matters. His supporters know and love the fact he's a liar and "pisses off libruls" despite people dying. The fact the FBI closed down the section devoted to investigating white supremacist violence says far more than any teleprompted condemnation could.

∞∞∞ wrote:Trump and his ilk stir the pot with rhetoric from the bully pulpit. The Pesident is supposed to be the moral example to the country and its voice. Instead, he actively works against acceptance of "the other" and revs up fear and hate against immigrants, minorities, etc. (pick a group).

He won't acknowledge his role in setting the tone and direction for this murderous slaughter of innocents. The GOP is complicit.

Not that it matters. His supporters know and love the fact he's a liar and "pisses off libruls" despite people dying. The fact the FBI closed down the section devoted to investigating white supremacist violence says far more than any teleprompted condemnation could.

Just like Omar, Cortez, Tlaib, Pressley? Because they sure as HELL do the same thing.

Once again mass shootings are the fault of guns and demagogue politicians

Obviously mass shootings wouldn’t happen if nobody had access to automatic weapons - but that horse has left the barn, and arguing about “common sense” gun control is the same as arguing that a 40 foot wall is the cure for what ails us

There are questions that aren’t being asked here because everybody already has divided into their camps and they have all the answers

Questions like - why are there so many more mass shootings today than there were 40-60 years ago? There are numerous factors ....

my personal belief is that social media makes sociopaths of us all to certain degrees- some more than others. Then we have the mainstreaming of mentally ill people since the 60s-70s. Population centers are a factor - as we increasingly live on top of each other there will be more berserkers. And then there is the innate tribalism of humans. It is increasingly becoming obvious that we cannot get along en masse

But if we must insist that guns are the underlying problem then I say as always - repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU


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The shooter's manifesto also mentions environmental concerns. Can we blame Greenpeace?

CID1990 wrote:Once again mass shootings are the fault of guns and demagogue politicians

Obviously mass shootings wouldn’t happen if nobody had access to automatic weapons - but that horse has left the barn, and arguing about “common sense” gun control is the same as arguing that a 40 foot wall is the cure for what ails us

There are questions that aren’t being asked here because everybody already has divided into their camps and they have all the answers

Questions like - why are there so many more mass shootings today than there were 40-60 years ago? There are numerous factors ....

my personal belief is that social media makes sociopaths of us all to certain degrees- some more than others. Then we have the mainstreaming of mentally ill people since the 60s-70s. Population centers are a factor - as we increasingly live on top of each other there will be more berserkers. And then there is the innate tribalism of humans. It is increasingly becoming obvious that we cannot get along en masse

But if we must insist that guns are the underlying problem then I say as always - repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU


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Hot damn...CID! You absolutely fucking balls on nailed this from every angle.

And the social media aspect is becoming more and more apparent. As I’ve mentioned before the stupidity and self interest is either being exposed and/or is being driven over into every day life as well.