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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby SDHornet » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:37 am

houndawg wrote:
SDHornet wrote: :nod:

HK is fucked...

...and it's not our problem. :coffee:


You don't think we should sell them weapons to aid their struggle for democracy?

No. Wouldn't do any good in this case. The moment they are armed is the same moment the Chinese Red Army rolls in (not dressed as police).

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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby css75 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:47 am

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Nah...I've run a business for too long. I'm thoroughly jaded and tired of other people's ideas. It's funny though, after sitting in pain in the ass meetings and on committees, I'll sometimes joke that dictatorships have their upside which tends to be get me sideways glances.


In a bureaucratic setting you do have a point. I hated meetings.


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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby CID1990 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:50 pm

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Notice how he parses liberty as a commodity that societies choose to limit in varying degrees with the consent of those societies

Not a peep about the individual, just the collective

I think I can name most of the books where he’s done all that reading


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And not a peep from you detractors about the benefits of the collective. You do realize that collective can be a neutral term. It doesn't always have to represent the evil, liberty crushing examples of Marx, kumbaya, Bernie, or the Borg. People can choose to work together out of mutual benefit or even (gasp), harmony.
Imagine where mankind and human advancement would be without cooperation. Of course cooperation is just code for democracy both of which are also dirty words.

I love this conversation. :nod:


We’re talking about the natural rights of man and where individual liberty fits in that context.

I know that makes your knee jerk high in the air but you’re apologizing for the system that progressively limits individual liberties ....a little bit at first... to give the apologists a rhetorical tool like the one you’re using-


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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby kalm » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:53 pm

CID1990 wrote:
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And not a peep from you detractors about the benefits of the collective. You do realize that collective can be a neutral term. It doesn't always have to represent the evil, liberty crushing examples of Marx, kumbaya, Bernie, or the Borg. People can choose to work together out of mutual benefit or even (gasp), harmony.
Imagine where mankind and human advancement would be without cooperation. Of course cooperation is just code for democracy both of which are also dirty words.

I love this conversation. :nod:


We’re talking about the natural rights of man and where individual liberty fits in that context.

I know that makes your knee jerk high in the air but you’re apologizing for the system that progressively limits individual liberties ....a little bit at first... to give the apologists a rhetorical tool like the one you’re using-


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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby houndawg » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:38 am

SDHornet wrote:
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You don't think we should sell them weapons to aid their struggle for democracy?

No. Wouldn't do any good in this case. The moment they are armed is the same moment the Chinese Red Army rolls in (not dressed as police).


:rofl:

If Obama would were Prez you'd be wetting yourself and whimpering about backing down from the godless commies and failing to support democracy's effort to bloom. :coffee:
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:55 am

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SDHornet wrote:No. Wouldn't do any good in this case. The moment they are armed is the same moment the Chinese Red Army rolls in (not dressed as police).


:rofl:

If Obama would were Prez you'd be wetting yourself and whimpering about backing down from the godless commies and failing to support democracy's effort to bloom. :coffee:


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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby CID1990 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:14 pm

houndawg wrote:
SDHornet wrote:No. Wouldn't do any good in this case. The moment they are armed is the same moment the Chinese Red Army rolls in (not dressed as police).


:rofl:

If Obama would were Prez you'd be wetting yourself and whimpering about backing down from the godless commies and failing to support democracy's effort to bloom. :coffee:


So that’s the revision on what happened during the whole red line thing in Syria?


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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby css75 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:28 pm

kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
We’re talking about the natural rights of man and where individual liberty fits in that context.

I know that makes your knee jerk high in the air but you’re apologizing for the system that progressively limits individual liberties ....a little bit at first... to give the apologists a rhetorical tool like the one you’re using-


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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby SDHornet » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:02 pm

CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
:rofl:

If Obama would were Prez you'd be wetting yourself and whimpering about backing down from the godless commies and failing to support democracy's effort to bloom. :coffee:


So that’s the revision on what happened during the whole red line thing in Syria?


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Yeah was wondering where the red line for HK was drawn...

More houndie fail.

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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby SDHornet » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:43 pm

So apparently the HK protesters are Nazi's now. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby GannonFan » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:14 am

SDHornet wrote:So apparently the HK protesters are Nazi's now. :lol: :lol: :lol:



The moment someone uses the phrase "literal Nazi" is the moment you realize that person has abdicated all rational thought and is now simply lashing out. Or it's when you realize that person has no real sound understanding of history, which is unfortunately rampant in today's world.
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby CID1990 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:20 pm

GannonFan wrote:
SDHornet wrote:So apparently the HK protesters are Nazi's now. :lol: :lol: :lol:



The moment someone uses the phrase "literal Nazi" is the moment you realize that person has abdicated all rational thought and is now simply lashing out. Or it's when you realize that person has no real sound understanding of history, which is unfortunately rampant in today's world.


The hard left are the new Know Nothings and it is only getting worse.


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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby kalm » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:36 pm

CID1990 wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
The moment someone uses the phrase "literal Nazi" is the moment you realize that person has abdicated all rational thought and is now simply lashing out. Or it's when you realize that person has no real sound understanding of history, which is unfortunately rampant in today's world.


The hard left are the new Know Nothings and it is only getting worse.


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I’m just glad we have the moderate right warning us about the impending gulags headed our way from the Eisenhower socialists.
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby CID1990 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:10 pm

kalm wrote:
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The hard left are the new Know Nothings and it is only getting worse.


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I’m just glad we have the moderate right warning us about the impending gulags headed our way from the Eisenhower socialists.


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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby kalm » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:23 pm

CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
I’m just glad we have the moderate right warning us about the impending gulags headed our way from the Eisenhower socialists.


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:lol:

Honestly...even my ultra “lib” sister is getting tired of the devisive and illiberal left she sees around Seattle.
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby Skjellyfetti » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:36 pm

CID1990 wrote:The hard left are the new Know Nothings and it is only getting worse.


Really?

The hard left are anti immigrant nativists?

1856 Know Nothing platform:

(1) Repeal of all Naturalization Laws.
(2) None but Americans for office.
(3) A pure American Common School system.
(4) War to the hilt, on political Romanism.
(5) Opposition to the formation of Military Companies, composed of Foreigners.
(6) The advocacy of a sound, healthy and safe Nationality.
(7) Hostility to all Papal influences, when brought to bear against the Republic.
(8) American Constitutions & American sentiments.
(9) More stringent & effective Emigration Laws.
(10) The amplest protection to Protestant Interests.
(11) The doctrines of the revered Washington.
(12) The sending back of all foreign paupers.
(13) Formation of societies to protect American interests.
(14) Eternal enmity to all those who attempt to carry out the principles of a foreign Church or State.
(15) Our Country, our whole Country, and nothing but our Country.
(16) Finally,-American Laws, and American legislation; and death to all foreign influences, whether in high places or low!


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Sounds more like Trumpism to me. :coffee:
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby CID1990 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:36 am

Skjellyfetti wrote:
CID1990 wrote:The hard left are the new Know Nothings and it is only getting worse.


Really?

The hard left are anti immigrant nativists?

1856 Know Nothing platform:

(1) Repeal of all Naturalization Laws.
(2) None but Americans for office.
(3) A pure American Common School system.
(4) War to the hilt, on political Romanism.
(5) Opposition to the formation of Military Companies, composed of Foreigners.
(6) The advocacy of a sound, healthy and safe Nationality.
(7) Hostility to all Papal influences, when brought to bear against the Republic.
(8) American Constitutions & American sentiments.
(9) More stringent & effective Emigration Laws.
(10) The amplest protection to Protestant Interests.
(11) The doctrines of the revered Washington.
(12) The sending back of all foreign paupers.
(13) Formation of societies to protect American interests.
(14) Eternal enmity to all those who attempt to carry out the principles of a foreign Church or State.
(15) Our Country, our whole Country, and nothing but our Country.
(16) Finally,-American Laws, and American legislation; and death to all foreign influences, whether in high places or low!


https://library.duke.edu/rubenstein/scr ... etter.jpeg

Sounds more like Trumpism to me. :coffee:


I didn’t say they had the same platform as the Know Nothing Party, Reek.

I’m referring to their anachronistic lack of rationality and knowledge of... I dunno ..... actual history.

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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby GannonFan » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:58 am

CID1990 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Really?

The hard left are anti immigrant nativists?

1856 Know Nothing platform:



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Sounds more like Trumpism to me. :coffee:


I didn’t say they had the same platform as the Know Nothing Party, Reek.

I’m referring to their anachronistic lack of rationality and knowledge of... I dunno ..... actual history.

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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby CAA Flagship » Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:58 am

Lam withdraws extradition bill. Thank you President Trump!!!!!!!

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Hong Kong (CNN)Hong Kong's embattled leader Carrie Lam has finally fully withdrawn a controversial bill that allowed extradition to mainland China and sparked three months of dramatic protests in the financial hub.
The decision to cave in to one of protesters' five core demands marked a dramatic U-turn for Lam, who for months has refused to withdraw the bill.
"We must find ways to address the discontent in society and look for solutions," Lam said in a a video statement Wednesday evening. "After more than two months of social unrest, it is obvious to many that this discontentment extends far beyond the bill."

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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby GannonFan » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:45 am

It's of little matter in the long run. Even though China says the Sino-British Declaration is no longer valid, 2047 is getting closer and closer every year and come 2047 China can do anything they want with Hong Kong (and really, they can do that now as well, no one's going to punish them - China just doesn't feel like it's necessary yet). Hong Kong, now and in the long run, will be whatever China wants it to be.
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Postby CID1990 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:15 am

GannonFan wrote:It's of little matter in the long run. Even though China says the Sino-British Declaration is no longer valid, 2047 is getting closer and closer every year and come 2047 China can do anything they want with Hong Kong (and really, they can do that now as well, no one's going to punish them - China just doesn't feel like it's necessary yet). Hong Kong, now and in the long run, will be whatever China wants it to be.


Yep -

They won’t have to roll tanks, really

Over the next year or so they are just going to disappear dissidents... quietly..

Meanwhile back home in Amerikkka, white people are the real Nazi threat to our existence


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