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BDKJMU wrote:
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One guy saw it differently. Interesting. Does his opinion negate someone elses? Is that how it works?
You can't have a different opinion about facts.
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Two people can have different views of facts. It's called bias. Interpretation.


That is literally what Trump does when he speaks. :lol:
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Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: You can't have a different opinion about facts.
:dunce:
Two people can have different views of facts. It's called bias. Interpretation.


That is literally what Trump does when he speaks. :lol:
Ok, you're referring to the Lt Col and Morrison. I wasn't clear, I was referring to the articles/headlines:
Nat Review and others: Morrison's testimony didn't contradict...
CNN/Wa Po/et al: Morrison's testimony contradicted...

Well, one of those 2 headlines is fake news. And going by direct quotes of Morrison's, it's pretty clear which of those is fake news..

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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :dunce:
Two people can have different views of facts. It's called bias. Interpretation.


That is literally what Trump does when he speaks. :lol:
Ok, you're referring to the Lt Col and Morrison. I wasn't clear, I was referring to the articles/headlines:
Nat Review and others: Morrison's testimony didn't contradict
CNN/Wa Po/et al: Morrison's testimony contradicted..

Well, one of those 2 headlines is fake news.
Not fake news. Its wrong. It's Inaccurate. It's misleading. CNN said early in the morning that they expected corroboration, though I don't recall what their basis for that was.

Fake news is such a bullshit term.
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Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: Ok, you're referring to the Lt Col and Morrison. I wasn't clear, I was referring to the articles/headlines:
Nat Review and others: Morrison's testimony didn't contradict
CNN/Wa Po/et al: Morrison's testimony contradicted..

Well, one of those 2 headlines is fake news.
Not fake news. Its wrong. It's Inaccurate. It's misleading. CNN said early in the morning that they expected corroboration, though I don't recall what their basis for that was.

Fake news is such a bullshit term.
Yeah, in other words, its FAKE.

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Ibanez wrote: Not fake news. Its wrong. It's Inaccurate. It's misleading. CNN said early in the morning that they expected corroboration, though I don't recall what their basis for that was.

Fake news is such a bullshit term.
Yeah, in other words, its FAKE.
No..fake is like a forgery. Or a sham. Fake designer jeans. Fake video of Obama slam dunking from the free throw line. Those headlines are real. They're just wrong. Yellow Journalism.

Before 2016 you would've called them misleading or inaccurate. You're only saying fake b/c you support Trump blindly and are deep within the cult of personality.
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BDKJMU wrote: Yeah, in other words, its FAKE.
No..fake is like a forgery. Or a sham. Fake designer jeans. Fake video of Obama slam dunking from the free throw line. Those headlines are real. They're just wrong. Yellow Journalism.

Before 2016 you would've called them misleading or inaccurate. You're only saying fake b/c you support Trump blindly and are deep within the cult of personality.
IMO inaccurate and misleading are VERY different things. Misleading is an intentional act and therefore "fake". Fake designer jeans are made to look like the real thing on purpose.
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Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: Yeah, in other words, its FAKE.
No..fake is like a forgery. Or a sham. Fake designer jeans. Fake video of Obama slam dunking from the free throw line. Those headlines are real. They're just wrong. Yellow Journalism.

Before 2016 you would've called them misleading or inaccurate. You're only saying fake b/c you support Trump blindly and are deep within the cult of personality.
Boy, that's splittin' hairs, Mark.

If they're wrong on purpose (or with an agenda) then it's absolutely fake. Like ABC's video. wrong with an agenda. Fake.
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Ibanez wrote: No..fake is like a forgery. Or a sham. Fake designer jeans. Fake video of Obama slam dunking from the free throw line. Those headlines are real. They're just wrong. Yellow Journalism.

Before 2016 you would've called them misleading or inaccurate. You're only saying fake b/c you support Trump blindly and are deep within the cult of personality.
Boy, that's splittin' hairs, Mark.

If they're wrong on purpose (or with an agenda) then it's absolutely fake. Like ABC's video. wrong with an agenda. Fake.
I think deceitful would be a more accurate word but that's too high falutin for the base.

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Boy, that's splittin' hairs, Mark.

If they're wrong on purpose (or with an agenda) then it's absolutely fake. Like ABC's video. wrong with an agenda. Fake.
I think deceitful would be a more accurate word but that's too high falutin for the base.
Doesn't roll off the tongue like "fake news"... :lol: :lol:
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Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: Yeah, in other words, its FAKE.
No..fake is like a forgery. Or a sham. Fake designer jeans. Fake video of Obama slam dunking from the free throw line. Those headlines are real. They're just wrong. Yellow Journalism.

Before 2016 you would've called them misleading or inaccurate. You're only saying fake b/c you support Trump blindly and are deep within the cult of personality.
Intentional misleading is FAKE NEWS..

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AZGrizFan wrote:
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I think deceitful would be a more accurate word but that's too high falutin for the base.
The knuckle dragging deplorables don't understand it like they do "fake news"... :lol: :lol:
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The left couldn't get Trump on the Russian Collusion Delusion. And when they can't get him on Ukraine, they'll try to impeach him on something else. Calling it right now, they'll try to bring up stuff other than Ukraine on this shampeachment farce..

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89Hen wrote:
Ibanez wrote: No..fake is like a forgery. Or a sham. Fake designer jeans. Fake video of Obama slam dunking from the free throw line. Those headlines are real. They're just wrong. Yellow Journalism.

Before 2016 you would've called them misleading or inaccurate. You're only saying fake b/c you support Trump blindly and are deep within the cult of personality.
IMO inaccurate and misleading are VERY different things. Misleading is an intentional act and therefore "fake". Fake designer jeans are made to look like the real thing on purpose.
I can see your point. I didn't see it that way. :thumb:

Still, nobody would be saying "fake news" if POTUS hadn't started saying it about everything that's critical about him or about something he doesn't like.
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UNI88 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Boy, that's splittin' hairs, Mark.

If they're wrong on purpose (or with an agenda) then it's absolutely fake. Like ABC's video. wrong with an agenda. Fake.
I think deceitful would be a more accurate word but that's too high falutin for the base.
That's the word. Deceitful.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
I think deceitful would be a more accurate word but that's too high falutin for the base.
Doesn't roll off the tongue like "fake news"... :lol: :lol:
I'll give him this...fake news is a better sound bite.
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UNI88 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Boy, that's splittin' hairs, Mark.

If they're wrong on purpose (or with an agenda) then it's absolutely fake. Like ABC's video. wrong with an agenda. Fake.
I think deceitful would be a more accurate word but that's too high falutin for the base.
Those darn multi-syllable words. :nod:
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css75 wrote:Here is your so called whistle blower 33 yo Eric Cieramella(spelling?). He is a Democrat holdover from Obama, Trump should have canned all Obama appointees on day 1. Looks like he has lots of friends.

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That is not known to be true at this point. It may turn out to be true. But it really doesn't matter at this point because the basic story told by the complaint has been validated.

This is the thing with people on your side right now. At this point we all know that Trump held up US aid to Ukraine as leverage to get them to open investigations that will help him politically. And we know damn well he didn't do it because of a general interest in investigating corruption in the Ukraine. He did things like pressure Ukraine guy to publicly announce a Biden investigation.

But you're attacking the messenger. Never mind that the message was accurate. Cult.
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BDKJMU wrote:Senior NSC aide who actually listened in on the phone call contradicts what the leaker & the Lt Col said:
“I want to be clear, I was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed,” Morrison said in remarks to Congress.
Morrison also disputed the account of a conversation that Ambassador Bill Taylor described in his testimony to Congress last week. Taylor recalled Morrison telling him about a separate conversation between U.S. ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland and one of Zelensky’s top advisers, in which Sondland told the adviser that the military aid was contingent on Zelensky’s willingness to publicly announce a probe into Burisma.

“My recollection is that Ambassador Sondland’s proposal to Yermak was that it could be sufficient if the new Ukrainian prosecutor general, not President Zelensky, would commit to pursue the Burisma investigation,” Morrison told lawmakers.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/lat ... ranscript/

Yet you have fake news CNN, Wa Po, etc with headlines saying the exact opposite, that Morrisons testimony corroborated the other's testimony..
CNN and the Washington Post are not fake news. The National Review is an opinion organization that openly says it is there to promote a conservative point of view. If you are going to believe one over the other and it becomes a contest between the CNN News Division or the Washington Post or the National Review, you would do well to listen to the CNN News Division or the Washington Post.

Here is what CNN had to say about Morrison's testimony on what Taylor said:
While he did deviate from Taylor on some details, Morrison testified that Sondland told him the President would release the aid if the Ukrainian prosecutor general announced an investigation, according to sources.
"I reviewed the statement Ambassador Taylor provided this inquiry on October 22, 2019. I can confirm that the substance of his statement, as it relates to conversations he and I had, is accurate," Morrison said.
If you want the truth, you would do well to rely on what CNN had to say about the essence of the situation instead of the National Review.
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Yep, just speculation.


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BDKJMU wrote:The left couldn't get Trump on the Russian Collusion Delusion. And when they can't get him on Ukraine, they'll try to impeach him on something else. Calling it right now, they'll try to bring up stuff other than Ukraine on this shampeachment farce..

I would guess they will bring some other phony charge up after this one fails. My guess is they have several line up. After all they have been doing this since Nov. 2916. They just can’t accept the fact the wrong candidate won.


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JohnStOnge wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Senior NSC aide who actually listened in on the phone call contradicts what the leaker & the Lt Col said:



https://www.nationalreview.com/news/lat ... ranscript/

Yet you have fake news CNN, Wa Po, etc with headlines saying the exact opposite, that Morrisons testimony corroborated the other's testimony..
CNN and the Washington Post are not fake news. The National Review is an opinion organization that openly says it is there to promote a conservative point of view. If you are going to believe one over the other and it becomes a contest between the CNN News Division or the Washington Post or the National Review, you would do well to listen to the CNN News Division or the Washington Post.

Here is what CNN had to say about Morrison's testimony on what Taylor said:
While he did deviate from Taylor on some details, Morrison testified that Sondland told him the President would release the aid if the Ukrainian prosecutor general announced an investigation, according to sources.
"I reviewed the statement Ambassador Taylor provided this inquiry on October 22, 2019. I can confirm that the substance of his statement, as it relates to conversations he and I had, is accurate," Morrison said.
If you want the truth, you would do well to rely on what CNN had to say about the essence of the situation instead of the National Review.
How well did CNN do with Russia collusion? A big fat old zero. Trump was not guilty.

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https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/1 ... am-schiff/

Bwahaha. What a farce. I am surprised how many on this board were suckered in. Orange Man Bad.
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SeattleGriz wrote:https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/1 ... am-schiff/

Bwahaha. What a farce. I am surprised how many on this board were suckered in. Orange Man Bad.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
CNN and the Washington Post are not fake news. The National Review is an opinion organization that openly says it is there to promote a conservative point of view. If you are going to believe one over the other and it becomes a contest between the CNN News Division or the Washington Post or the National Review, you would do well to listen to the CNN News Division or the Washington Post.

Here is what CNN had to say about Morrison's testimony on what Taylor said:



If you want the truth, you would do well to rely on what CNN had to say about the essence of the situation instead of the National Review.
How well did CNN do with Russia collusion? A big fat old zero. Trump was not guilty.

Most of National Review hates Trump, except three or four contributers. They rate up there with Hotair if you want to get a conservative Trump dislike view.
CNN's reporting on the Mueller investigation was generally accurate. With respect to the Mueller investigation: It did not find sufficient evidence to charge anybody with a crime associated with conspiracy to with the Russian Government with respect to two specific Russian government efforts. It did find evidence that members of the Trump campaign cooperated with Russians. For example: It found that the Trump campaign director shared internal campaign polling data pertaining to key midwestern States with a guy associated with Russian intelligence. But the investigators did not charge, in part, because they did not know how those polling data were used.

Many of the things the media reported with respect to the Russia investigation that Trump called "fake news" turned out to be true. For instance: Trump telling McGahn to write a false memo on Trump telling him to get rid of Mueller.
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