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Even among the president’s closest allies, Giuliani is now the subject of scorn. When I reached him by phone this morning, following House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s release of the full whistle-blower complaint at the center of the Ukraine scandal, he was, put simply, very angry.

“It is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and I’m not. And I will be the hero! These morons—when this is over, I will be the hero,” Giuliani told me.

“I’m not acting as a lawyer. I’m acting as someone who has devoted most of his life to straightening out government,” he continued, sounding out of breath. “Anything I did should be praised.”

Giuliani unleashed a rant about the Bidens, Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation, Barack Obama, the media, and the “deep state.” He has spoken freely about all these topics since the moment he became a surrogate in Trump’s 2016 campaign. Giuliani has aired far-right conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton’s health on national television. He has discussed his convictions about alleged Biden-family corruption with Trump in the White House residence. Still, until the Ukraine scandal broke, Trump’s allies were almost uniformly supportive of Giuliani to reporters, and current and former administration officials would often praise him for his loyalty

BDKJMU wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
There should be a record of every conversation a President has in their official capacity. I can't believe anyone would argue otherwise.

Ok, so you say a POTUS shouldn’t be able to have a private conversation (in their official capacity).

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: Ok, so you say a POTUS shouldn’t be able to have a private conversation (in their official capacity).

That’s why I asked you. It’s an interesting question, ain’t it?

But it’s not just a conversation, it’s policy related. We’ll give you $400m which you can use to buy weapons from my donors...as long as you help me bury my opposition...

For the good of the country of course.

BDKJMU wrote:

kalm wrote:
That’s why I asked you. It’s an interesting question, ain’t it?

But it’s not just a conversation, it’s policy related. We’ll give you $400m which you can use to buy weapons from my donors...as long as you help me bury my opposition...

For the good of the country of course.

Anything that is recorded can be leaked (see all the leaks in 2017).
If you’re a leader of a foreign country you’re going to be hesitant to have a frank convo with the POTUS if you know its being recorded and there’s a chance it could be leaked.

If we lived in a fairy tale land where it could be recorded with ZERO % chance of a leak, then it would be ok to have it recorded.
But the only way to 100% insure against leaks is to not have it recorded in any way.

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:
Anything that is recorded can be leaked (see all the leaks in 2017).
If you’re a leader of a foreign country you’re going to be hesitant to have a frank convo with the POTUS if you know its being recorded and there’s a chance it could be leaked.

If we lived in a fairy tale land where it could be recorded with ZERO % chance of a leak, then it would be ok to have it recorded.
But the only way to 100% insure against leaks is to not have it recorded in any way.

So trust your government...

I see...

kalm wrote:We'll see how it shakes down but after Schiff's quotes of the Trump phone call I'm leaning towards:

css75 wrote:That was a brilliant work of fiction by Schiff today. For the kalms of the world that means he made it up.


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kalm wrote:And the unraveling begins...

“Rudy...can’t fail...oh no”

Even among the president’s closest allies, Giuliani is now the subject of scorn. When I reached him by phone this morning, following House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s release of the full whistle-blower complaint at the center of the Ukraine scandal, he was, put simply, very angry.

“It is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and I’m not. And I will be the hero! These morons—when this is over, I will be the hero,” Giuliani told me.

“I’m not acting as a lawyer. I’m acting as someone who has devoted most of his life to straightening out government,” he continued, sounding out of breath. “Anything I did should be praised.”

Giuliani unleashed a rant about the Bidens, Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation, Barack Obama, the media, and the “deep state.” He has spoken freely about all these topics since the moment he became a surrogate in Trump’s 2016 campaign. Giuliani has aired far-right conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton’s health on national television. He has discussed his convictions about alleged Biden-family corruption with Trump in the White House residence. Still, until the Ukraine scandal broke, Trump’s allies were almost uniformly supportive of Giuliani to reporters, and current and former administration officials would often praise him for his loyalty

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... vered+this’

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: Yeah after 2017 I bet every conversation with a foreign leader was moved to a secure server with all the liberal leakers in the WH..

Trumps only mistake was having a non private conversation with president of Ukraine.

Cynically, that might happen and probably needs to. But are you ok with President Warren privately negotiating deals on your behalf?

Ivytalk wrote:

css75 wrote:That was a brilliant work of fiction by Schiff today. For the kalms of the world that means he made it up.


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Schiff is one guy on the Democrat side that I'd like to punch in the face. Pompous ass that believes his own bullshit.

kalm wrote:And the unraveling begins...

“Rudy...can’t fail...oh no”

BDKJMU wrote:

kalm wrote:We'll see how it shakes down but after Schiff's quotes of the Trump phone call I'm leaning towards:

You mean Schiff’s made up quotes of the Trump call
Where’s the beef for your NOTHING BURGER?

BDKJMU wrote:

kalm wrote:
That’s why I asked you. It’s an interesting question, ain’t it?

But it’s not just a conversation, it’s policy related. We’ll give you $400m which you can use to buy weapons from my donors...as long as you help me bury my opposition...

For the good of the country of course.

Anything that is recorded can be leaked (see all the leaks in 2017).
If you’re a leader of a foreign country you’re going to be hesitant to have a frank convo with the POTUS if you know its being recorded and there’s a chance it could be leaked.

If we lived in a fairy tale land where it could be recorded with ZERO % chance of a leak, then it would be ok to have it recorded.
But the only way to 100% insure against leaks is to not have it recorded in any way.

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: You mean Schiff’s made up quotes of the Trump call
Where’s the beef for your NOTHING BURGER?

Oops...I was half listening while doing some work and I guess it was actually a parody that I took literally (along with some conks, apparently )

https://www.newsweek.com/adam-schiff-pa ... ll-1461579

So I guess your outrage here is justified. How dare a politician stoop to this level! Governmenting is dignified serious business!

BDKJMU wrote:

kalm wrote:
Oops...I was half listening while doing some work and I guess it was actually a parody that I took literally (along with some conks, apparently )

https://www.newsweek.com/adam-schiff-pa ... ll-1461579

So I guess your outrage here is justified. How dare a politician stoop to this level! Governmenting is dignified serious business!

You believe Schiff’s parody excuse now that he got called out?
Schiff isn’t capable of parody..

"This is the essence of what the president communicates," Schiff said

kalm wrote: If it’s made up shit, there’s one simple solution...release the transcripts and find the 6 people who went to the whistleblower regarding not only what was in the call but the extra effort by Whitehouse council to hide the transcript.

CAA Flagship wrote:

kalm wrote: If it’s made up shit, there’s one simple solution...release the transcripts and find the 6 people who went to the whistleblower regarding not only what was in the call but the extra effort by Whitehouse council to hide the transcript.

*White
*House

Yeah, she's the one, the only one, built like an amazon

kalm wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: *White
*House

Yeah, she's the one, the only one, built like an amazon

*auto
*correct

*douche
*bag

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: You mean Schiff’s made up quotes of the Trump call
Where’s the beef for your NOTHING BURGER?

Oops...I was half listening while doing some work and I guess it was actually a parody that I took literally (along with some conks, apparently )

https://www.newsweek.com/adam-schiff-pa ... ll-1461579

So I guess your outrage here is justified. How dare a politician stoop to this level! Governmenting is dignified serious business!

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Oops...I was half listening while doing some work and I guess it was actually a parody that I took literally (along with some conks, apparently )

https://www.newsweek.com/adam-schiff-pa ... ll-1461579

So I guess your outrage here is justified. How dare a politician stoop to this level! Governmenting is dignified serious business!

Still some damned fine looking toast tho.

kalm wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Still some damned fine looking toast tho.

Toast like that is good for one thing only. Dripping with butter to mop runny eggs up with.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Toast like that is good for one thing only. Dripping with butter to mop runny eggs up with.

I like to just put the runny eggs right on top of the toast and eat that way.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Toast like that is good for one thing only. Dripping with butter to mop runny eggs up with.

I like to just put the runny eggs right on top of the toast and eat that way.

kalm wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: You mean Schiff’s made up quotes of the Trump call
Where’s the beef for your NOTHING BURGER?

Oops...I was half listening while doing some work and I guess it was actually a parody that I took literally (along with some conks, apparently )

https://www.newsweek.com/adam-schiff-pa ... ll-1461579

So I guess your outrage here is justified. How dare a politician stoop to this level! Governmenting is dignified serious business!