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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Honestly - this is PR 101.

Bad news is released.
Attack the source.
Defend,deflect,denigrate, defend.

By the time ANYTHING comes out, so much mud has been slung and time has passed that our ADD afflicted populace has moved on to the next thing and has forgotten about it or just don't care.

It's effective. And Trump is a master at PR. Gotta give him credit for that. He could murder the Pope on live TV, and spin it in a way that Republicans will defend his crime. :coffee: :twocents:
Replace Trump with Obama or Clinton (Bill or Hillary). And Republicans with Democrats. Heck, 27 years ago Clinton was referred to as the Teflon candidate. Both of them had people that were masters of PR.
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css75 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: A Republican was on CNN yesterday and what he said is probably the most honest thing I've heard from a politician in a long time. I'll paraphrase, " What's going to bring us all down is our strict adherence to situational ethics." I feel that's true.

If Trump were a Democrat, the Republicans would be foaming at the mouths to impeach him. But he's not, so he gets a pass. Democrats are giving Warren a free pass on her cultural appropriation or that Governor who was in black face. But if any of those two were Republicans, there'd be protests and rioting in the streets.


Situational ethics only creates more division and has reduced politicians to using the Kindergartner Defense, " Yeah, but he did it too!" :twocents:

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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

Trump to release the call
Whistle-blower to go before Congress
Pelosi to begin impeachment inquiry.

Away we go,folks...
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Fatal mistake by the Dems to go down that road. Falls right into the Trump wheelhouse. Impeachment without a shot in hell in the Senate is just a waste of time.
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Ibanez wrote:https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

Trump to release the call
Whistle-blower to go before Congress
Pelosi to begin impeachment inquiry.

Away we go,folks...
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bluehenbillk wrote:Fatal mistake by the Dems to go down that road. Falls right into the Trump wheelhouse. Impeachment without a shot in hell in the Senate is just a waste of time.
Fatal or not, it's the right thing to do. Withholding appropriated funds for personal political gain is a level of corruption pretty high up in this nation's history.

Also I love how Moscow Mitch states that asking for the whistle-blower report would "make this political." What does he think politicians do? Maybe he just assumes everyone is as corrupt as him and can't fathom the idea others operate in good faith for their constituents.

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∞∞∞ wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:Fatal mistake by the Dems to go down that road. Falls right into the Trump wheelhouse. Impeachment without a shot in hell in the Senate is just a waste of time.
Fatal or not, it's the right thing to do. Withholding appropriated funds for personal political gain is a level of corruption pretty high up in this nation's history.

Also I love how Moscow Mitch states that asking for the whistle-blower report would "make this political." What does he think politicians do? Maybe he just assumes everyone is as corrupt as him and can't fathom the idea others operate in good faith for their constituents.
This is going to backfire unless there's something really good in these transcripts.
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Pwns wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: Fatal or not, it's the right thing to do. Withholding appropriated funds for personal political gain is a level of corruption pretty high up in this nation's history.

Also I love how Moscow Mitch states that asking for the whistle-blower report would "make this political." What does he think politicians do? Maybe he just assumes everyone is as corrupt as him and can't fathom the idea others operate in good faith for their constituents.
This is going to backfire unless there's something really good in these transcripts.
The Administration needs to release more than just the transcript. This lack of trust is what happens when you lie and deceive people all the time, and it wouldn't be the first time they've altered information.

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∞∞∞ wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:Fatal mistake by the Dems to go down that road. Falls right into the Trump wheelhouse. Impeachment without a shot in hell in the Senate is just a waste of time.
Fatal or not, it's the right thing to do. Withholding appropriated funds for personal political gain is a level of corruption pretty high up in this nation's history.

Also I love how Moscow Mitch states that asking for the whistle-blower report would "make this political." What does he think politicians do? Maybe he just assumes everyone is as corrupt as him and can't fathom the idea others operate in good faith for their constituents.
You mean, what Biden did? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Pwns wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: Fatal or not, it's the right thing to do. Withholding appropriated funds for personal political gain is a level of corruption pretty high up in this nation's history.

Also I love how Moscow Mitch states that asking for the whistle-blower report would "make this political." What does he think politicians do? Maybe he just assumes everyone is as corrupt as him and can't fathom the idea others operate in good faith for their constituents.
This is going to backfire unless there's something really good in these transcripts.
The problem with transcripts is that they can be falsified. I saw Elizabeth Holtzman talking about that today. She said that during Watergate Nixon at first tried to get away with releasing transcripts of the tapes. Turned out that once the actual tapes were released it was seen that the transcripts were not accurate.

I would fully expect the Trump Administration to falsify transcripts if the real conversations are incriminating. If the real conversations are incriminating there is no way the Trump Administration is going to release accurate transcripts of the incriminating exchanges.

They need to get the whistleblower complaint and they need to have some way of verifying that it isn't doctored. They are dealing with a totally corrupt, dishonest Administration that can't be trusted. They've got to find a way to deal with that.
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JohnStOnge wrote:They are dealing with a totally corrupt, dishonest Administration that can't be trusted.
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Pwns wrote:
Ibanez wrote:https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

Trump to release the call
Whistle-blower to go before Congress
Pelosi to begin impeachment inquiry.

Away we go,folks...
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Stop with the stuff implying that Trump is smartly luring the Democrats in. The guy is an idiot. This is not some grand plan of his. Yes, it's dangerous for the Democrats because we've got about 40% of the population in cult mode. But it's not a trap set by Trump.
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∞∞∞ wrote:
Pwns wrote:
This is going to backfire unless there's something really good in these transcripts.
The Administration needs to release more than just the transcript. This lack of trust is what happens when you lie and deceive people all the time, and it wouldn't be the first time they've altered information.
Oh shit...he’s going to do what we demanded and release the transcript...time to move the goalposts...

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Col Hogan wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: The Administration needs to release more than just the transcript. This lack of trust is what happens when you lie and deceive people all the time, and it wouldn't be the first time they've altered information.
Oh shit...he’s going to do what we demanded and release the transcript...time to move the goalposts...

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The goalposts are not being moved. The demand has been for the whistleblower report. Everybody knows that transcripts can be altered and it's been done in the past.

The whistleblower report could be altered too, I suppose. And therein lies the problem. We are dealing with an Administration that deals in lying. It's how it operates. That's not moving the goalpost. It's dealing with the reality of the situation.
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Watching and it's clear: They are up front in saying that the transcript won't do it. They want the full, unaltered, whistleblower complaint. As far as I can tell the Administration has not agreed to give that up. And BTW the relevant statute clearly and unambiguously says that report is supposed to go to the appropriate Congressional committees.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Pwns wrote:
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Stop with the stuff implying that Trump is smartly luring the Democrats in. The guy is an idiot. This is not some grand plan of his. Yes, it's dangerous for the Democrats because we've got about 40% of the population in cult mode. But it's not a trap set by Trump.
Trump is a dunderhead, but that doesn't mean his staff is.

Trump can afford to look juvenile or unprofessional - we already know that about him. But this could really damage Joe Biden. Sort of like scorched Earth tactics. The Democrats had better find something good here or this will backfire.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Pwns wrote:
This is going to backfire unless there's something really good in these transcripts.
The problem with transcripts is that they can be falsified. I saw Elizabeth Holtzman talking about that today. She said that during Watergate Nixon at first tried to get away with releasing transcripts of the tapes. Turned out that once the actual tapes were released it was seen that the transcripts were not accurate.

I would fully expect the Trump Administration to falsify transcripts if the real conversations are incriminating. If the real conversations are incriminating there is no way the Trump Administration is going to release accurate transcripts of the incriminating exchanges.

They need to get the whistleblower complaint and they need to have some way of verifying that it isn't doctored. They are dealing with a totally corrupt, dishonest Administration that can't be trusted. They've got to find a way to deal with that.
yeah, whew. Good thing previous administrations never lied. :dunce: :dunce:
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Ibanez wrote:https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

Trump to release the call
Whistle-blower to go before Congress
Pelosi to begin impeachment inquiry.

Away we go,folks...
Already reading some are saying this just gives Nancy some breathing room. They already have been investigating the hell out of Trump. What changes other than Nancy looks like she is moving forward.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Pwns wrote:
This is going to backfire unless there's something really good in these transcripts.
The problem with transcripts is that they can be falsified. I saw Elizabeth Holtzman talking about that today. She said that during Watergate Nixon at first tried to get away with releasing transcripts of the tapes. Turned out that once the actual tapes were released it was seen that the transcripts were not accurate.

I would fully expect the Trump Administration to falsify transcripts if the real conversations are incriminating. If the real conversations are incriminating there is no way the Trump Administration is going to release accurate transcripts of the incriminating exchanges.

They need to get the whistleblower complaint and they need to have some way of verifying that it isn't doctored. They are dealing with a totally corrupt, dishonest Administration that can't be trusted. They've got to find a way to deal with that.
They’re still dragging that whiny old bag Liz Holtzman out for interviews? Her career went straight downhill after Watergate.

Oh, and you mean the whistleblower complaint based on HEARSAY? Can’t wait to see that.

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Ivytalk wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
The problem with transcripts is that they can be falsified. I saw Elizabeth Holtzman talking about that today. She said that during Watergate Nixon at first tried to get away with releasing transcripts of the tapes. Turned out that once the actual tapes were released it was seen that the transcripts were not accurate.

I would fully expect the Trump Administration to falsify transcripts if the real conversations are incriminating. If the real conversations are incriminating there is no way the Trump Administration is going to release accurate transcripts of the incriminating exchanges.

They need to get the whistleblower complaint and they need to have some way of verifying that it isn't doctored. They are dealing with a totally corrupt, dishonest Administration that can't be trusted. They've got to find a way to deal with that.
They’re still dragging that whiny old bag Liz Holtzman out for interviews? Her career went straight downhill after Watergate.

Oh, and you mean the whistleblower complaint based on HEARSAY? Can’t wait to see that.

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Pwns wrote: This is going to backfire unless there's something really good in these transcripts.
Yeah, releasing the transcript isn't going to cut it.

Democrats need to force the DNI to turn over the whistleblower complaint to relevant Congressional committees as required by law.

A formal impeachment inquiry should hopefully help speed subpoenas through the courts, and hopefully give them a stronger argument for document requests, interviews, etc. :nod:
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In my job, We sometimes get people reporting an issue, thinking it’s a problem but after a 360 review, it’s sometimes discovered that there’s isn’t anything there. People see/hear one thing and dutifully report it. But they only see one side of the issue.


I’ll say this - take all complaints (in my case a perceived threat) seriously. See something, say something.


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Ibanez wrote:In my job, We sometimes get people reporting an issue, thinking it’s a problem but after a 360 review, it’s sometimes discovered that there’s isn’t anything there. People see/hear one thing and dutifully report it. But they only see one side of the issue.


I’ll say this - take all complaints (in my case a perceived threat) seriously. See something, say something.


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Ibanez wrote:In my job, We sometimes get people reporting an issue, thinking it’s a problem but after a 360 review, it’s sometimes discovered that there’s isn’t anything there. People see/hear one thing and dutifully report it. But they only see one side of the issue.
Possibly. But, this isn't just the whistleblower.

The Inspection General of the Intelligence Community got the whistleblower complaint and caused this shitstorm. He judged it to be an "urgent concern" and "credible." He is also a lifelong Republican and a Trump appointee. If he didn't press the importance of it we wouldn't be hearing about it.

From Atkinson's 9/9 letter to House and Senate Intelligence committees:
After receiving the Complaintant's disclosure, the ICIG was required within 14 calendar days to determine whether the information alleged by the Complaintant with respect to an urgent concern appeared credible. During that 14-day time period, the ICIG conducted a preliminary review of the disclosure. As a result of that preliminary review, I determined that the Complaintant's disclosure met the definition of an urgent concern, i.e. a "serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of the law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence involving classified information." I also determined that there were reasonable grounds to believe that information relating to the urgent concern appeared credible.
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Ibanez wrote:In my job, We sometimes get people reporting an issue, thinking it’s a problem but after a 360 review, it’s sometimes discovered that there’s isn’t anything there. People see/hear one thing and dutifully report it. But they only see one side of the issue.
Possibly. But, this isn't just the whistleblower.

The Inspection General of the Intelligence Community got the whistleblower complaint and caused this shitstorm. He judged it to be an "urgent concern" and "credible." He is also a lifelong Republican and a Trump appointee. If he didn't press the importance of it we wouldn't be hearing about it.
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