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This case is not about whether gun control is a good idea. Rather, Mr. Aposhian’s appeal raises key issues about how an agency may create such a ban—that is, whether agency regulations may contradict a statute passed by Congress. The appeal also challenges the notion that a mere interpretive rule can bind third parties, such as owners of bump stocks.

“The bump stock rule made it a new federal crime to own a bump stock, even one purchased with ATF’s prior permission. ATF knows it didn’t have the authority to enact such a law. Instead of defending the rule, ATF now pretends the ban is just a recommendation for the public. NCLA is confident the court will see through ATF’s games and strike down this invalid rule.” —Caleb Kruckenberg, Litigation Counsel

“ATF is caught between a rock and a hard place. The agency lacks legal authority to issue a so-called legislative rule, but a mere interpretive rule is not legally allowed to bind any third parties outside the government. By ordering half a million bump stock owners to surrender their devices—or face prosecution—ATF has acted in a completely unconstitutional fashion. It is high time for the federal courts to put a stop to this regulatory nonsense.”
—Mark Chenoweth, Executive Director and General Counsel

Gil Dobie wrote:Didn't work on my 12 gauge pump.

93henfan wrote:I actually sold mine to the state (cue the tomatoes). I was never going to use it again after perfecting my from-the-shoulder bump firing with my O-PAP anyway.

Winterborn wrote:What bumpstock....

mainejeff2 wrote:How many hours a day do you Conks obsess about guns?

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:59 pm

Winterborn wrote:What bumpstock....

This.

houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:59 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:59 pm

This.

The simple solution is to move all semi-auto guns that can hold more than six rounds into the same BATF category as machine guns.

No second amendment issues, better screening of applicants, average citizens can still carry plenty of firepower without going through the more rigorous background chieck if they choose. Win/win situation and the wackadoodles are kept further away from the most popular mass-shooting models.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:23 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:59 am
The simple solution is to move all semi-auto guns that can hold more than six rounds into the same BATF category as machine guns.

No second amendment issues, better screening of applicants, average citizens can still carry plenty of firepower without going through the more rigorous background chieck if they choose. Win/win situation and the wackadoodles are kept further away from the most popular mass-shooting models.

It would have to be passed by Congress, and Congress wouldn’t ever pass that, because the donks would need to control the House, 60 votes in the Senate, and the WH.

And if the ATF even tried something as lunatic as that on their own, most of the 115 million law abiding gun owners would give the finger to the ATF even before it got to SCOTUS and they struck it down.

houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:37 am

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:23 am
It would have to be passed by Congress, and Congress wouldn’t ever pass that, because the donks would need to control the House, 60 votes in the Senate, and the WH.

And if the ATF even tried something as lunatic as that on their own, most of the 115 million law abiding gun owners would give the finger to the ATF even before it got to SCOTUS and they struck it down.

Well, you can't go shooting geese with more than three rounds in your gun. Surely you agree that school kids deserve as much sporting chance as geese?

Col Hogan wrote:

houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:37 am Well, you can't go shooting geese with more than three rounds in your gun. Surely you agree that school kids deserve as much sporting chance as geese?

I’ll agree with you…as soon as you can find a reference to hunting in the Constitution…

houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:59 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:59 pm

This.

The simple solution is to move all semi-auto guns that can hold more than six rounds into the same BATF category as machine guns.

No second amendment issues, better screening of applicants, average citizens can still carry plenty of firepower without going through the more rigorous background chieck if they choose. Win/win situation and the wackadoodles are kept further away from the most popular mass-shooting models.

dbackjon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:19 pm

houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:59 am

The simple solution is to move all semi-auto guns that can hold more than six rounds into the same BATF category as machine guns.

No second amendment issues, better screening of applicants, average citizens can still carry plenty of firepower without going through the more rigorous background chieck if they choose. Win/win situation and the wackadoodles are kept further away from the most popular mass-shooting models.

Agreed

CID1990 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:15 pm

Col Hogan wrote: I’ll agree with you…as soon as you can find a reference to hunting in the Constitution…

It’s right next to the part in the Constitution that says “muskets.”


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