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Mittens has never been a fan of Trump. I think he did well. He's going to have hell to pay now. I agree with the abuse of power charge. The obstruction one can be dicey. 
Jones would have lost in November, regardless. He had nothing to lose by voting for conviction.
When the deep state investigates its own, you get Comey admitting Hillary violated the law but it's all cool because she didn't do it with bad intentions.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:14 pmWell, if it's in the national interest to investigate them, that's what the Deep State is for.BDKJMU wrote: If someone had a good chance at becoming president, would it be in the national interest to investigate prior alleged corruption by that individual with another country?
If it's not in the national interest, your shady personal attorney handles it.
If you have trouble separating the two and your consigliere meddles in foreign policy to benefit you personally... YOU get investigated for corruption.
I haven’t seen the CJOTUS in many years, but I still have (and treasure) his congratulatory letter on White House stationery — he was WH counsel during Reagan’s first term — when I made partner at my first law firm.
Isn't that kind of what they just did to Trump?CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:19 pmWhen the deep state investigates its own, you get Comey admitting Hillary violated the law but it's all cool because she didn't do it with bad intentions.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:14 pm
Well, if it's in the national interest to investigate them, that's what the Deep State is for.
If it's not in the national interest, your shady personal attorney handles it.
If you have trouble separating the two and your consigliere meddles in foreign policy to benefit you personally... YOU get investigated for corruption.
No, no, no. It's worse than that ... Trump is the Deeper State!Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:10 amIsn't that kind of what they just did to Trump?CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:19 pm
When the deep state investigates its own, you get Comey admitting Hillary violated the law but it's all cool because she didn't do it with bad intentions.
OMG! TRUMP IS THE DEEP STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No. Hillary is actually guilty.Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:10 amIsn't that kind of what they just did to Trump?CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:19 pm
When the deep state investigates its own, you get Comey admitting Hillary violated the law but it's all cool because she didn't do it with bad intentions.
OMG! TRUMP IS THE DEEP STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of breaking her NDA? Yes. But let's not succumb to situational ethics.
Yes, a classy gesture. That letter is a keeper, forever.
Yes, that's entirely possible. I don't think she's in quite as tenuous of a position as Collins, however....but we shall see...
I coached his son in hockey years ago. He was a PITA and I used to stick him in the penalty box at practice when he misbehaved. I had no idea who he was the first time I did it and I saw CJOTUS after and he said that was his son I stuck in the box. I nearly shit, but he actually thanked me. He said he saw what he was doing and would have done the same. He was always nice to the coaches.
Times sure changed, Joe. I got a bunch of letters when I made partner at my first firm in 1984. By the time I started my own firm in 2006, the congratulatory messages were all e-mails.JoltinJoe wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:00 amYes, a classy gesture. That letter is a keeper, forever.
It used to be a common practice to send congratulatory notes to classmates when they made partner. I still have my file of letters and it is never far from my desk.
But it just doesn't happen any more. What happened? I guess maybe becoming partner used to be seen as officially landing in the place where you were going to practice for the rest of your career. Not any more. Firms merge; partners jump from one firm to another.
I miss my first firm. What a great place to work. Now it's part of the one largest firms in the world, and everyone I know still there pines for the days when it was just a big New Jersey firm.
Because....he....owns....the.....libs.Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:00 am Something I was thinking of last night after I watched both of Trumps speeches: Why is a man who appears to have no religion, or at least not an active participant of one, attacking people for openly expressing their faith? Mittens used his faith as a guide. Who is Trump to say that's right or wrong? And why would the GOP establishment allow that? Pelosi prays for him. True or not - who is he to say she doesn't? Why aren't religious leaders and the Republicans striking down that talk? It's not a policy dispute. This is the President disputing someones religion. Which is ironic coming from him.
Is it fear of upsetting the Donald? Hypocrisy? I'm genuinely curious about this. Who made Trump the a leader and champion of faith?
I think that it is great.....Trump has managed to cheapen and help destroy.....government, politics, religion, institutions.......everything that is old and tired in this country. He is the ultimate cleaner! 
The American people.Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:00 am Something I was thinking of last night after I watched both of Trumps speeches: Why is a man who appears to have no religion, or at least not an active participant of one, attacking people for openly expressing their faith? Mittens used his faith as a guide. Who is Trump to say that's right or wrong? And why would the GOP establishment allow that? Pelosi prays for him. True or not - who is he to say she doesn't? Why aren't religious leaders and the Republicans striking down that talk? It's not a policy dispute. This is the President disputing someones religion. Which is ironic coming from him.
Is it fear of upsetting the Donald? Hypocrisy? I'm genuinely curious about this. Who made Trump the a leader and champion of faith?
Yes! We voted for him.kalm wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:26 pmThe American people.Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:00 am Something I was thinking of last night after I watched both of Trumps speeches: Why is a man who appears to have no religion, or at least not an active participant of one, attacking people for openly expressing their faith? Mittens used his faith as a guide. Who is Trump to say that's right or wrong? And why would the GOP establishment allow that? Pelosi prays for him. True or not - who is he to say she doesn't? Why aren't religious leaders and the Republicans striking down that talk? It's not a policy dispute. This is the President disputing someones religion. Which is ironic coming from him.
Is it fear of upsetting the Donald? Hypocrisy? I'm genuinely curious about this. Who made Trump the a leader and champion of faith?
And he has made us all more wealthy, healthy and happy! God bless Donald Trump! He's not a symptom.....he's a blessing. America needs him.....America needs a cleaner.CID1990 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:20 pm Trump hasn’t cheapened anything that we haven’t already cheapened ourselves.
How can people who want to radically change our institutions have all these histrionics about them being cheapened? Finding extra-Constitutional ways to fight wars, fight crime, spend money, elect leaders, restrict personal liberties....That is the ultimate goal- just ask any BernieBro
Trump isn’t the disease, he’s just a symptom
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