Then why would you have a problem with Trump requesting help from the only guy who could actually provide it regarding Biden’s actions?kalm wrote:All corruption is wrong.AZGrizFan wrote:
Did you have a problem when VP Biden did worse?
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Good old fashioned legalized corruption in another country is a different situation than bribing a foreign government to pursue a campaign opponent. But perhaps they both should be investigated? The right way?AZGrizFan wrote:Then why would you have a problem with Trump requesting help from the only guy who could actually provide it regarding Biden’s actions?kalm wrote:
All corruption is wrong.
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Trump's Special Envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker, RESIGNS
amid whistleblower complaint that said he worked with Rudy Giuliani
Circle the wagons!President Donald Trump's envoy to Ukraine has resigned as Special Representative, just one day after the whistleblower's complaint was made public.
Kurt Volker, who was named in the complaint, met with Mike Pompeo on Friday to announce the news, according to State Press.
The CIA agent whistleblower's complaint, released publicly on Thursday, described Volker - who is Executive Director of the McCain Institute at ASU - as trying to 'contain the damage' done by Trump.
Volker connected Guiliani to President Volodymyr Zelensky after Trump instructed staff to cut military help if the Ukraine failed to get dirt on Joe Biden's son Hunter, the intelligence whistleblower claimed.
Volker and the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, spoke to Ukrainian officials about how to navigate pressure from Trump, according to the whistleblower...
The complaint also claimed that Ulrich Brechbuhl, a deputy to Mike Pompeo at the State Department, was on the call with the president. It refers to the president's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, and the United States Attorney General William Barr as having played central roles in the president's conversation.
Yeah ... I snorted on that one.houndawg wrote:css75 wrote:
Over the past few years Hannity and Rush have been proven to be more accurate than MSNBC, CNN and other MSM.
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That's a good thing. Need Trump to resign in time for Kasich to run.
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2nd hand evidence which has been corroborated by Trump and the White House. Sounds like the guy has some credibility.AZGrizFan wrote:Is any of that untrue?Ibanez wrote:
I see you got the Hannity/Rush talking points memorized...
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* 2nd hand evidence
* Intel changed the whistleblower requirement in August
* Complaint looks like it was written by an attorney
Yes?
No?
Maybe?
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I’d like to see the facts on that. I shouldn’t trust your 2nd hand accounts.css75 wrote:Over the past few years Hannity and Rush have been proven to be more accurate than MSNBC, CNN and other MSM.Ibanez wrote:
I see you got the Hannity/Rush talking points memorized...
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All corruption is wrong. But Biden isn’t POTUS. Let’s review all the facts before jumping to conclusions.AZGrizFan wrote:Did you have a problem when VP Biden did worse?houndawg wrote:
I think he'll be impeached, its their duty. If enough comes out that a few Republicans go soft on him I think he'd resign in order to keep his pension and SS protection, which he's going to need when he leaves office.
I'm still trying to decide which is the more stupid behavior:
Shaking down a foreign leader when you know your conversation is being monitored by an agency who hates your guts with white-hot passion OR
Bringing in Rudy G as the "fixer".
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.your tds is firing up, there was no shakedown.houndawg wrote:I think he'll be impeached, its their duty. If enough comes out that a few Republicans go soft on him I think he'd resign in order to keep his pension and SS protection, which he's going to need when he leaves office.GannonFan wrote:I find it really hard to see the Democrats actually going through with the impeachment. There's zero chance of conviction at this point, unless something else comes out. There's not a smoking gun yet that will turn the Senate to vote to convict. The speed at which the administration is responding to things surely makes it looks like they want all of this to happen, and I don't doubt that Trump has been thinking impeachment is his best campaign tool for 2020. But for this poll, the only two viable options are impeach or nothing - I think Pelosi won't be able to hold back her herd, so I say impeach.
I'm still trying to decide which is the more stupid behavior:
Shaking down a foreign leader when you know your conversation is being monitored by an agency who hates your guts with white-hot passion OR
Bringing in Rudy G as the "fixer".
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Except that wasn’t my question. Are the “Rush Limbaugh and Hannity talking points” true or untrue?Ibanez wrote:2nd hand evidence which has been corroborated by Trump and the White House. Sounds like the guy has some credibility.AZGrizFan wrote:
Is any of that untrue?
* 2nd hand evidence
* Intel changed the whistleblower requirement in August
* Complaint looks like it was written by an attorney
Yes?
No?
Maybe?
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If all corruption is wrong (and I agree there) shouldn't we hold all politicians to the same standard? Doesn't matter if they are a junior House member, VP, or the POTUS?Ibanez wrote:All corruption is wrong. But Biden isn’t POTUS. Let’s review all the facts before jumping to conclusions.AZGrizFan wrote:
Did you have a problem when VP Biden did worse?
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There is nothing Trump has done to warrant being impeached, you can't impeach somebody simply because you don't like them winning an election. There are plenty of reasons for people to hate Trump but he has not broken any laws. I wish he would go away and get somebody relatively stable in office, Trumps antics are getting old and over played.CAA Flagship wrote:Not sure where the pardon talk is coming from. According to CNN about 10 minutes ago, there is no criminality yet. Everything is political to this point.
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AZGrizFan wrote:Did you have a problem when VP Biden did worse?houndawg wrote:
I think he'll be impeached, its their duty. If enough comes out that a few Republicans go soft on him I think he'd resign in order to keep his pension and SS protection, which he's going to need when he leaves office.
I'm still trying to decide which is the more stupid behavior:
Shaking down a foreign leader when you know your conversation is being monitored by an agency who hates your guts with white-hot passion OR
Bringing in Rudy G as the "fixer".
I don't recall seeing it in the news
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you're already better than Rudy.css75 wrote:.your tds is firing up, there was no shakedown.houndawg wrote:
I think he'll be impeached, its their duty. If enough comes out that a few Republicans go soft on him I think he'd resign in order to keep his pension and SS protection, which he's going to need when he leaves office.
I'm still trying to decide which is the more stupid behavior:
Shaking down a foreign leader when you know your conversation is being monitored by an agency who hates your guts with white-hot passion OR
Bringing in Rudy G as the "fixer".
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The conspiracy theories that are coming out of this event are priceless. Let’s wait for the facts. Let’s wait for Trump to corroborate more of what the whistle blower has said.AZGrizFan wrote:Except that wasn’t my question. Are the “Rush Limbaugh and Hannity talking points” true or untrue?Ibanez wrote: 2nd hand evidence which has been corroborated by Trump and the White House. Sounds like the guy has some credibility.
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Besides - republicans didn’t have a problem with 2nd hand accounts when they listened to Linda Tripp back in the 90s, so why now? Lady Graham sang a different tune 20yrs ago. Hell, 4 yrs ago he said Trump would destroy the country.
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Yup. Let’s grab our nuts and hold them accountable.Winterborn wrote:If all corruption is wrong (and I agree there) shouldn't we hold all politicians to the same standard? Doesn't matter if they are a junior House member, VP, or the POTUS?Ibanez wrote: All corruption is wrong. But Biden isn’t POTUS. Let’s review all the facts before jumping to conclusions.
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Actually I think you can (because you can easily find a reason). It's a political process. All you need is votes. The only thing keeping impeachments in check are the political ramifications (see voters).Bobcat wrote:There is nothing Trump has done to warrant being impeached, you can't impeach somebody simply because you don't like them winning an election. There are plenty of reasons for people to hate Trump but he has not broken any laws. I wish he would go away and get somebody relatively stable in office, Trumps antics are getting old and over played.CAA Flagship wrote:Not sure where the pardon talk is coming from. According to CNN about 10 minutes ago, there is no criminality yet. Everything is political to this point.
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And you are a product of the MSM, you wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you on the butt. You probably think Schiff’s fiction is fact.houndawg wrote:you're already better than Rudy.css75 wrote:
.your tds is firing up, there was no shakedown.
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I was listening to msm before you were born, snotnose.css75 wrote:And you are a product of the MSM, you wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you on the butt. You probably think Schiff’s fiction is fact.houndawg wrote:
you're already better than Rudy.
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Shocker..houndawg wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Did you have a problem when VP Biden did worse?
I don't recall seeing it in the news
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AOC is merely comic relief, you must be older than dirt to be older than me. Have you heard the saying, to be young and conservative means you have no heart, to be old and liberal means you have no brain.houndawg wrote:I was listening to msm before you were born, snotnose.css75 wrote:
And you are a product of the MSM, you wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you on the butt. You probably think Schiff’s fiction is fact.
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Psst...Donald...they were going to vote for you anyway. Might want to go and court some independent and establishment conks.
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Meh. What did Father Guido Sarducci say?kalm wrote:Psst...Donald...they were going to vote for you anyway. Might want to go and court some independent and establishment conks.
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Why, yes, junior, I have heard that one. Some young hothead said it long ago.css75 wrote:AOC is merely comic relief, you must be older than dirt to be older than me. Have you heard the saying, to be young and conservative means you have no heart, to be old and liberal means you have no brain.houndawg wrote:
I was listening to msm before you were born, snotnose.
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I didn't stick around long enough to get the details this morning, but on CBS This Morning, someone was mentioning that this whole impeachment thing might well blow up in the Democrats' face, with Trump surviving and Biden losing out.
Of course, that COULD just mean that one of the other Donkey candidates wins in November, but particularly for those in the Congress right now, a failed impeachment bid could backfire on THEM, too....
Of course, that COULD just mean that one of the other Donkey candidates wins in November, but particularly for those in the Congress right now, a failed impeachment bid could backfire on THEM, too....
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I have maintained all along Biden will be Big loser in this charade.
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