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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby CID1990 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:59 pm

Aho Old Guy wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Yours too, Tink.

At least __ until Jan, 2021 ...
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This is what being World Police gets us, among other things

The binary choice is -

1) boots on the ground expending blood and treasure forever

2) abandon the Kurds to their fate

It is painfully obvious that #2 was inevitable.


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Oh, look!
--- Just another hypocritical polemic abdicating responsibility for a disaster of their own creation.

You are no better than Trump. You are a wannabe Project for the New American Century (PNAC) hack, turning tail, running away, with hollow platitudes and false-flag misdirection.

What’s next for you? Saudi boot-licking in a PNAC proxy war? Been there – doing that.

America IS global law enforcement. Don’t be a coward. Take some dang responsibility for once in your life. That’s what patriots do …

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You obviously don’t follow me much. I suggest some catch-up remedial reading. Ask Jelly how to do it - he’s misread every post I’ve ever made about 5 times. Which is what you’ve done here.

I’m pointing out that the sudden sympathy for the Kurds (and now retroactively for the Montagnards!) is basically a feckless cunt litmus test

Let’s stop pretending we give a damn about the Kurds and admit that we just don’t like who’s abandoning them

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You have poor reading skills and it contributes to your anger problem.

If you spent more than a few minutes on this board looking for something to cry about you'd know that I am none of these things you describe in your ad hominem fallcious logic attacks.
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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby BDKJMU » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:56 am

93henfan wrote:Reuters reporting that Turkey has shelled the ISIS detention facility, possibly allowing a mass breakout of ISIS prisoners: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-prison/turkey-shelled-prison-holding-is-foreign-fighters-kurdish-led-administration-idUSKBN1WP15C

We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby kalm » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:26 am

BDKJMU wrote:
93henfan wrote:Reuters reporting that Turkey has shelled the ISIS detention facility, possibly allowing a mass breakout of ISIS prisoners: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-prison/turkey-shelled-prison-holding-is-foreign-fighters-kurdish-led-administration-idUSKBN1WP15C

We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.


With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?
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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Ivytalk » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:25 am

kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.


With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Skjellyfetti » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:31 am

kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.


With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?


Payback for the Kurdish betrayal on the beaches of Normandy.
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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Skjellyfetti » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:15 am

At least Trump is getting us out of forever wars, right guys??

U.S. to deploy large number of forces to Saudi Arabia
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/ ... ssion=true
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Cid1990 wrote:It is going to be a sad day for a lot of people when all that comes of all of this is Flynn getting whacked.

Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby UNI88 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:24 am

This is a crappy situation and Trump did not handle it well.

On one hand, the Kurds are one of the few groups in the ME that have earned a level of loyalty and support.

On the other, Western nations have been seriously mucking around in the ME since WWI and we've fvcked it up. What would the world look like if the West had allowed self-determination and not created artificial boundaries. We can't undo the past but doing the same thing over and over isn't going to change the paradigm. We might be better off getting out and letting the region determine its own future.

One of the things that I most appreciate about Trump's approach is that he is bucking the status quo and IMO that's a good thing.

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Skjellyfetti » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:29 am

He has no plans or desire to get us out of the Middle East.
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Cid1990 wrote:It is going to be a sad day for a lot of people when all that comes of all of this is Flynn getting whacked.

Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Skjellyfetti » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:25 pm

Turkey shells US Special Forces by mistake
https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727
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Cid1990 wrote:It is going to be a sad day for a lot of people when all that comes of all of this is Flynn getting whacked.

Mueller is going to take a beating on the left before this business is over

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby BDKJMU » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:34 pm

kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.


With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?

No. Give them a heads up to get out.

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby ∞∞∞ » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:06 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
93henfan wrote:Reuters reporting that Turkey has shelled the ISIS detention facility, possibly allowing a mass breakout of ISIS prisoners: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-prison/turkey-shelled-prison-holding-is-foreign-fighters-kurdish-led-administration-idUSKBN1WP15C

We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/assets/file ... 2-0173.pdf

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Aho Old Guy » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:49 pm

Pretty much this, except Trump is a know-nothing, carnival-barking ass who only
'makes the best deals' (rolling eyes). The First Balkan War and WWI because of the 'Colonial' partition of the Ottoman Empire have ewed-scrayed the World for 100 years.

UNI88 wrote:This is a crappy situation and Trump did not handle it well.

On one hand, the Kurds are one of the few groups in the ME that have earned a level of loyalty and support.

On the other, Western nations have been seriously mucking around in the ME since WWI and we've fvcked it up. What would the world look like if the West had allowed self-determination and not created artificial boundaries. We can't undo the past but doing the same thing over and over isn't going to change the paradigm. We might be better off getting out and letting the region determine its own future.

One of the things that I most appreciate about Trump's approach is that he is bucking the status quo and IMO that's a good thing.


Skjellyfetti wrote:He has no plans or desire to get us out of the Middle East.

Ding!

Pure speculation, but President 'Makes The Best Deals' Trumpolini provided cover for Erdogan (nod-nod wink-wink) to silence critics of the Saudi implicitly in the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi.

I'm thinkin' we will never hear a peep about that from Erdogan, again, nor about the **latest** troop build-up in SA (i.e., Kuwait).
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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby SDHornet » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:23 pm

Chizzang wrote:
SDHornet wrote:
I love the irony of abortionists decrying the evils and horrors of lost life caused by warfare. It makes me chuckle inside.


Interesting to note:
That ^ overt hypocrisy observation seems to only cut one way
Why are so many pro-lifers not at all pro life in matters such as these (war and whatnot)

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we've had that same conversation on this forum - and it gets no traction from the Pro lifers

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby SDHornet » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:33 pm

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The guy is insane. :lol:

I saw a reporter ask him, "What about the ISIS prisoners held in Syria?"

He said, "they'll be escaping to Europe; that's where they want to go".

Whowhat?

He literally made no plan.

I don't have full-blown TDS, but I will thoroughly enjoy his downfall, especially after the fucker put me out of work without pay for over a month. Fuck him.

After all was said and done, didn't you get paid for that month?

Of course he did. He is just doing what gubmint employees do best, bitch and moan. :coffee:

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Chizzang » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:35 pm

Trump sends troops to protect his hotels in Saudi Arabia
"Remember when Donald Trump tweeted that he was 'trying to end the endless wars?' That was yesterday."

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby SDHornet » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:43 pm

Chizzang wrote:Trump sends troops to protect his hotels in Saudi Arabia
"Remember when Donald Trump tweeted that he was 'trying to end the endless wars?' That was yesterday."

:rofl:


Stupid move, need to give all those ME countries the finger.

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby CID1990 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:12 pm

Before the circle jerk in here gets any bigger, can we have a show of hands?

Does anybody here agree with Trump sending troops to Saudi Arabia?
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Postby AZGrizFan » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:31 pm

CID1990 wrote:Before the circle jerk in here gets any bigger, can we have a show of hands?

Does anybody here agree with Trump sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Ivytalk » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:45 am

CID1990 wrote:Before the circle jerk in here gets any bigger, can we have a show of hands?

Does anybody here agree with Trump sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

How many hotels does he have there?
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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby kalm » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:23 am

Ivytalk wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Before the circle jerk in here gets any bigger, can we have a show of hands?

Does anybody here agree with Trump sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

How many hotels does he have there?


Many?

Very many?
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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Ivytalk » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:35 am

kalm wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:How many hotels does he have there?


Many?

Very many?


JSO’s favorite source, PolitiFact, says that Trump has no hotels or towers in KSA, but the Saudis have given him plenty of hotel and other business elsewhere. :rule:
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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Aho Old Guy » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:27 am

:dunce:
Erdogan’s Ambitions Go Beyond Syria. He Says He Wants Nuclear Weapons.
Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, wants more than control over a wide swath of Syria along his country’s border. He says he wants the Bomb.

In the weeks leading up to his order to launch the military across the border to clear Kurdish areas, Mr. Erdogan made no secret of his larger ambition. “Some countries have missiles with nuclear warheads,” he told a meeting of his governing party in September. But the West insists “we can’t have them,” he said. “This, I cannot accept.”

With Turkey now in open confrontation with its NATO allies, having gambled and won a bet that it could conduct a military incursion into Syria and get away with it, Mr. Erdogan’s threat takes on new meaning. If the United States could not prevent the Turkish leader from routing its Kurdish allies, how can it stop him from building a nuclear weapon or following Iran in gathering the technology to do so?

It was not the first time Mr. Erdogan has spoken about breaking free of the restrictions on countries that have signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and no one is quite sure of his true intentions. The Turkish autocrat is a master of keeping allies and adversaries off balance, as President Trump discovered in the past two weeks.
...

So ...
The "40 to 50" US Troops fighting ISIS with the Kurkish Peshmerga in Syria were redeployed to fight ISIS in Iraq, SA/Kuwait/Iraq has expanded its US troop deployment to 18K+ this year, and Turkey with Rootin' Tootin' Pootin is eradicating "Kurdistan"

President Cut&Run and the GOP PNAC WET DREAM strike again ...

Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:
Many?

Very many?


JSO’s favorite source, PolitiFact, says that Trump has no hotels or towers in KSA, but the Saudis have given him plenty of hotel and other business elsewhere. :rule:

I'm not up to speed on this, but my understanding Der Trumpster has branded properties in Turkey.
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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby Aho Old Guy » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:36 am

:ohno:

"A Night of Prayer for the Kurds" - Trump hotel cancels Christian aid group's event to support the Kurds

The group planned to hold the event after Trump's recent decision to remove U.S. troops from the northeastern border of Syria. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan followed Trump's announcement by initiating a military offensive into Syria to fight the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a group Erdoğan believes to be an enemy of Turkey.


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Re: Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkish economy

Postby houndawg » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:42 am

kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:We should have obliterated it with a few cruise missiles beforehand. ISIS fighters dead, problem solved.


With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?


They're as good as dead anyway.

We have zero bidniz being in the mid-east at all.
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Postby Aho Old Guy » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:30 am

:lol:
Iraq gives US troops from Syria four weeks in the country before they must leave
U.S. troops leaving Syria are only "transiting" through Iraqi territory and will depart within four weeks, the country's defense minister said Wednesday.

Najah al-Shammari spoke with The Associated Press following a meeting with Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper in Baghdad.

Esper arrived in Iraq for talks amid an apparent disagreement over whether U.S. troops withdrawing from northeastern Syria could now stay in Iraq.

The Pentagon chief said earlier this week that the troops leaving Syria would reposition to western Iraq to continue fighting the Islamic State. But on Tuesday, he appeared to backtrack, saying that American forces would stay only temporarily.

Iraq's military had opposed the move, saying that the newly arrived U.S. forces would have to leave...

:lol: :roll:
Turkey, Russia announce joint patrols along Syria border in latest move against Kurds
Turkey and Russia announced Tuesday that both countries will soon start conducting joint security patrols along a border region in Syria following the removal of Kurdish forces there.

The announcement came following a meeting between Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Russian military police and Syrian troops, as of Wednesday noon local time, will help push the Kurdish forces 18 miles back from Syria's border with Turkey within 150 hours.

Turkey and Russia, Lavrov says, would then start border patrols in Syria to keep the Kurds out and help facilitate the return of refugees there. The region is where American troops had been patrolling with Turkish forces two weeks ago before they pulled out -- and the deal struck Tuesday shows the alliance between NATO member Turkey and Russia is strengthening.

:shock:
Departing US forces pelted by angry Kurds in Syria (video)
After fighting ISIS as a U.S. ally for five years, a Kurdish leader tells Fox News they are being abandoned to face potential slaughter; Steve Harrigan reports from Erbil, Iraq.

:dunce:
Trump says U.S. will lift sanctions on Turkey, calling cease-fire in Syria ‘permanent’
President Trump announced Wednesday that the United States will lift sanctions on Turkey, saying that the Turkish government has informed the White House that it will abide by what he characterized as a “permanent” cease-fire along the border with Syria.

At a hastily organized event in the Diplomatic Reception Room of the White House, Trump also used the occasion to justify his “America First” foreign policy agenda, pushing back against critics by arguing that he is removing U.S. troops from a region where they should not be involved.

“Let someone else fight over this long-bloodstained sand,” Trump said.

He took credit for the cease-fire and suggested the agreement would save tens of thousands of Kurdish lives in the region — even though one day earlier, Russia and Turkey agreed to a plan to push Syrian Kurdish fighters from a wide swath of territory just south of Turkey’s border, cementing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s preeminent role in Syria as American troops depart and U.S. influence wanes.

The agreement will leave Turkey and Russia in control of territory formerly held by Kurdish forces once allied with the United States.

The Trump administration had announced the sanctions on Oct. 14 after the Turkish military offensive against Kurdish-led forces in northern Syria. That offensive followed Trump’s announcement that he would pull U.S. troops from Syria — a decision that brought stiff, bipartisan criticism...

houndawg wrote:
kalm wrote:
With the Kurdish guards and staff still in it?


They're as good as dead anyway.

We have zero bidniz being in the mid-east at all.

Buh-Buh-Buh ...but ...
President Cut&Run just installed 2 Patriot missile batteries with US Troops in SA, after raising deployment levels over 16,000 this year alone.

It's PNAC rules, don'tchaknow ... :o
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