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On the road to theocracy.... :ohno:
Your Neighbor’s Christian Education, Courtesy of Your Tax Dollars
The Court will hear one of the most notable “Church and state” cases in years.
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One of the persistent disappointments of media coverage in the Trump era is how the eye-popping daily headlines about the president obscure slower-moving, equally important developments at all levels of government. This term, the Supreme Court is set to consider cases that could have momentous implications for the future of abortion and LGBTQ rights. It will also hear arguments in Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue, an important case about state-voucher funding for private religious schools. If the petitioners win, this case could empower activists such as the current secretary of education, Betsy DeVos, who want more government money to flow to private education, and who believe states are in serious need of a course correction on the way they view religious schools. But according to their progressive opponents, Espinoza could blur the separation of Church and state, locking taxpayers into funding religious education even when they don’t want to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... %3A00%3A14
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kalm wrote:On the road to theocracy.... :ohno:
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What are your thoughts on private schools using public school buses at no extra cost?

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kalm wrote:On the road to theocracy.... :ohno:
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That’s funny coming from you. :lol:
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kalm wrote:On the road to theocracy.... :ohno:
Your Neighbor’s Christian Education, Courtesy of Your Tax Dollars
The Court will hear one of the most notable “Church and state” cases in years.
EMMA GREEN
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One of the persistent disappointments of media coverage in the Trump era is how the eye-popping daily headlines about the president obscure slower-moving, equally important developments at all levels of government. This term, the Supreme Court is set to consider cases that could have momentous implications for the future of abortion and LGBTQ rights. It will also hear arguments in Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue, an important case about state-voucher funding for private religious schools. If the petitioners win, this case could empower activists such as the current secretary of education, Betsy DeVos, who want more government money to flow to private education, and who believe states are in serious need of a course correction on the way they view religious schools. But according to their progressive opponents, Espinoza could blur the separation of Church and state, locking taxpayers into funding religious education even when they don’t want to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... %3A00%3A14
This is a complicated issue. One one hand, I don't want my tax dollars being used to fund someone's religious or other private education. On the other had, giving kids in underperforming schools the ability to find better alternatives is a good thing.

To me, a quality education system should be a strategic imperative. It's critical to America truly being the "Land of Opportunity" and to the future success of the country. I don't know what the answer is but I do know that it isn't more federal government involvement in education (No Child Left Behind and Every Student Succeeds pretty well prove that). Let's give responsibilty for education back to the states.

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kalm wrote:On the road to theocracy.... :ohno:
Your Neighbor’s Christian Education, Courtesy of Your Tax Dollars
The Court will hear one of the most notable “Church and state” cases in years.
EMMA GREEN
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One of the persistent disappointments of media coverage in the Trump era is how the eye-popping daily headlines about the president obscure slower-moving, equally important developments at all levels of government. This term, the Supreme Court is set to consider cases that could have momentous implications for the future of abortion and LGBTQ rights. It will also hear arguments in Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue, an important case about state-voucher funding for private religious schools. If the petitioners win, this case could empower activists such as the current secretary of education, Betsy DeVos, who want more government money to flow to private education, and who believe states are in serious need of a course correction on the way they view religious schools. But according to their progressive opponents, Espinoza could blur the separation of Church and state, locking taxpayers into funding religious education even when they don’t want to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... %3A00%3A14
As compared to the left-wing public school indoctrination centers.

America’s Public Schools Have Become Socialist Indoctrination Factories
From their earliest days, young students are taught by modern state curriculum standards to be cogs in the societal wheel rather than independent thinkers. The educational focus is often placed on performing well on standardized tests and memorizing facts, not learning how to make difficult moral choices or cogent arguments with classmates. Young children are constantly told “sharing is caring,” and students routinely “earn” participation trophies for merely showing up.

Influential education “experts” like Alfie Kohn denounce the use of rewards in education, even calling them “destructive.” In many schools, students don’t earn letter grades anymore. We wouldn’t want the poor-performers to feel badly!
Most children no longer extensively read the literary classics, which include a wealth of resources, and many high schoolers spend little time enrolled in civics or history courses compared to classes that focus on mathematics, science, or technology. And when they are in history classrooms, they are often bombarded with left-wing historical revisionism that turns American heroes like George Washington into racist moral monsters.
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Well, the whole idea of separation of church and state as we know it today isn't in the Constitution anyway. The Constitution just prohibits the US Congress making a law with respect to the establishment of religion. I am an agnostic. But that doesn't mean I can't see the truth about the Court, in the past, having invented prohibitions that do not actually exist in the Constitution and which were not contemplated by the people who crafted and ratified the First Amendment.

Whether vouchers issued by States to fund children attending private religious schools are a good idea or not is a separate debate. The Constitution itself does not prohibit them. Just flat doesn't.
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mainejeff2 wrote:
Baldy wrote: America’s Public Schools Have Become Socialist Indoctrination Factories

"Theocracy" bad...collectivism good. :coffee:
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Townhall is an American politically conservative website, print magazine and radio news service. Previously published by the Heritage Foundation, it is now owned and operated by Salem Communications

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Salem Communications Corporation is an American radio broadcaster, Internet content provider, and magazine and book publisher based in Camarillo, California, targeting audiences interested in Christian and what it describes as "family-themed content and conservative values.

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Nice job Geoffrey, now please trace the ownership and political philosophy of "The Atlantic", and you will see why I used an article from "Townhall".

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mainejeff2 wrote:I love funding my own firing squad.

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kalm wrote:On the road to theocracy.... :ohno:
Your Neighbor’s Christian Education, Courtesy of Your Tax Dollars
The Court will hear one of the most notable “Church and state” cases in years.
EMMA GREEN
7:00 AM ET

One of the persistent disappointments of media coverage in the Trump era is how the eye-popping daily headlines about the president obscure slower-moving, equally important developments at all levels of government. This term, the Supreme Court is set to consider cases that could have momentous implications for the future of abortion and LGBTQ rights. It will also hear arguments in Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue, an important case about state-voucher funding for private religious schools. If the petitioners win, this case could empower activists such as the current secretary of education, Betsy DeVos, who want more government money to flow to private education, and who believe states are in serious need of a course correction on the way they view religious schools. But according to their progressive opponents, Espinoza could blur the separation of Church and state, locking taxpayers into funding religious education even when they don’t want to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... %3A00%3A14
Actually, I agree with you Kalm. No government funding whatsoever, then the government has no reason to control and keeps them from meddling, criminal activity excepted.


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mainejeff2 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: What, the Democrat Party?
No church based schools that promote hatred of me because I am a homosexual......and use my tax dollars to do so. :thumbdown:
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mainejeff2 wrote:No church based schools that promote hatred of me because I am a homosexual......and use my tax dollars to do so. :thumbdown:
I agree with you that tax dollars shouldn't be used to promote any kind of intolerance including the belief that white people are entitled and that white heterosexual males are toxic. Let's not swing the pendulum from one kind of hate to another.

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mainejeff2 wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Is it OK if they hate you for being a dick?
How do you know that I'm a dick? You don't even know me, asshole.

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We don't know you personally but you come across as an angry, bitter asshole online.

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UNI88 wrote:
mainejeff2 wrote:
How do you know that I'm a dick? You don't even know me, asshole.

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We don't know you personally but you come across as an angry, bitter asshole online.
Yep, particularly the angry and bitter part. You will not live a long life, that bitterness will eat you up.


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As the smug prick around here.... I'd like to chime in on the funding of religious based schools

and frankly I'm all for it - what we're doing right now sure ain't working
and teaching somebody a religion isn't forcing them to believe - if anything with intelligent kids it backfires
Most of the smarter kids are going to be suspicious of Cosmic Gospel Santa

But if it makes for better schools where kids learn and engage and succeed then I'm all for it

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Chizzang wrote:As the smug prick around here.... I'd like to chime in on the funding of religious based schools

and frankly I'm all for it - what we're doing right now sure ain't working
and teaching somebody a religion isn't forcing them to believe - if anything with intelligent kids it backfires
Most of the smarter kids are going to be suspicious of Cosmic Gospel Santa

But if it makes for better schools where kids learn and engage and succeed then I'm all for it

:nod:
So you’re ok with a Muslim controlled district funded by tax dollars where they preach the religion of peace.


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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:On the road to theocracy.... :ohno:



https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... %3A00%3A14
As compared to the left-wing public school indoctrination centers.

America’s Public Schools Have Become Socialist Indoctrination Factories
From their earliest days, young students are taught by modern state curriculum standards to be cogs in the societal wheel rather than independent thinkers. The educational focus is often placed on performing well on standardized tests and memorizing facts, not learning how to make difficult moral choices or cogent arguments with classmates. Young children are constantly told “sharing is caring,” and students routinely “earn” participation trophies for merely showing up.

Influential education “experts” like Alfie Kohn denounce the use of rewards in education, even calling them “destructive.” In many schools, students don’t earn letter grades anymore. We wouldn’t want the poor-performers to feel badly!
Most children no longer extensively read the literary classics, which include a wealth of resources, and many high schoolers spend little time enrolled in civics or history courses compared to classes that focus on mathematics, science, or technology. And when they are in history classrooms, they are often bombarded with left-wing historical revisionism that turns American heroes like George Washington into racist moral monsters.
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Oh Baldy... :lol:
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Chizzang wrote:As the smug prick around here.... I'd like to chime in on the funding of religious based schools

and frankly I'm all for it - what we're doing right now sure ain't working
and teaching somebody a religion isn't forcing them to believe - if anything with intelligent kids it backfires
Most of the smarter kids are going to be suspicious of Cosmic Gospel Santa

But if it makes for better schools where kids learn and engage and succeed then I'm all for it

:nod:
Some of the best, highest performing schools in the world are in countries where tolerance, free will, natural rights, and liberty are not/not taught

Consider that children in primary schools in Shanghai and Beijing graduate at age 17 or 18 FULLY prepared to enter colleges and universities in the US. And they excel in those colleges, including some of our most prestigious ones... is STEM fields

Imagine if our own students were graduating from high school fully prepared to go to college in Beijing, completely in Mandarin, studying engineering
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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:As the smug prick around here.... I'd like to chime in on the funding of religious based schools

and frankly I'm all for it - what we're doing right now sure ain't working
and teaching somebody a religion isn't forcing them to believe - if anything with intelligent kids it backfires
Most of the smarter kids are going to be suspicious of Cosmic Gospel Santa

But if it makes for better schools where kids learn and engage and succeed then I'm all for it

:nod:
Some of the best, highest performing schools in the world are in countries where tolerance, free will, natural rights, and liberty are not/not taught

Consider that children in primary schools in Shanghai and Beijing graduate at age 17 or 18 FULLY prepared to enter colleges and universities in the US. And they excel in those colleges, including some of our most prestigious ones... is STEM fields

Imagine if our own students were graduating from high school fully prepared to go to college in Beijing, completely in Mandarin, studying engineering
I have no idea what the answer is...
and it's pretty obvious neither does our present Department of Education
so whatever we do next - make it bold

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mainejeff2 wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Is it OK if they hate you for being a dick?
How do you know that I'm a dick? You don't even know me, asshole.

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Chizzang wrote:As the smug prick around here.... I'd like to chime in on the funding of religious based schools

and frankly I'm all for it - what we're doing right now sure ain't working
and teaching somebody a religion isn't forcing them to believe - if anything with intelligent kids it backfires
Most of the smarter kids are going to be suspicious of Cosmic Gospel Santa

But if it makes for better schools where kids learn and engage and succeed then I'm all for it

:nod:
The upside for kids is that now there is no need for church on Sunday or the freeloading clergy that comes with it. The downside for the jesus freaks will come when their handouts have to be shared with the schools being developed by adherents of other, similar, superstitions. :coffee:

I like the idea of church on Sunday becoming irrelevant almost as much as I'm liking law and order conservatives agreeing with the lefties that the FBI needs to go. :notworthy:

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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Some of the best, highest performing schools in the world are in countries where tolerance, free will, natural rights, and liberty are not/not taught

Consider that children in primary schools in Shanghai and Beijing graduate at age 17 or 18 FULLY prepared to enter colleges and universities in the US. And they excel in those colleges, including some of our most prestigious ones... is STEM fields

Imagine if our own students were graduating from high school fully prepared to go to college in Beijing, completely in Mandarin, studying engineering
I have no idea what the answer is...
and it's pretty obvious neither does our present Department of Education
so whatever we do next - make it bold

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Just the present DOE? When was the last major DOE initiative that was successful?

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UNI88 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
I have no idea what the answer is...
and it's pretty obvious neither does our present Department of Education
so whatever we do next - make it bold

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Just the present DOE? When was the last major DOE initiative that was successful?

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I not opposed at all to eliminating that agency. Of course numerous states and districts will be forced to up their game if they don’t want to further behind. I’ve talked to AF personnel who’ve lived in Alabama and the quality of education between there and WA is laughable. And yes much of the issue is cultural and socioeconomic.

But where does the money come from if we’re going to subsidize private schools? Take it from the public schools and make them worse or raise taxes?
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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote: As compared to the left-wing public school indoctrination centers.

America’s Public Schools Have Become Socialist Indoctrination Factories

"Theocracy" bad...collectivism good. :coffee:
Oh Baldy... :lol:
Wow...how insightful.

I'm speechless. :lol:

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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
Oh Baldy... :lol:
Wow...how insightful.

I'm speechless. :lol:
If you’d really like me to hold your hand and stroll through that Townhall piece of “independent” and “insightful” thinking, I can...

I was honestly giving you the benefit of the doubt for trolling.

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