Kurds Poll

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Trump's Decision Related to Current Turkish Incursion is

Good
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18%
Bad
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50%
Neither
9
32%
 
Total votes: 28

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From who will we be demanding that?

Erdowan? :rofl:
Maybe a plane load of cash to Ankara would work

Send a plane load of cash, get the Turks to agree to leave the Kurds alone, declare victory, easy peasy
Sounds good, Erdogan can be bought.
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Col Hogan wrote:If you haven’t really studies up on “The Kurds”, I’d recommend you do so before jumping on a position...I accept that CID has first hand experience, and depend on that type of information in making a decision...

IMHO, we need to demand that people of Kurdish decent in Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria do not suffer the same fate that the Armenians did over 100 years ago...

The Kurds were suppose to get their own country after WW I , but someone screwed them, and they were left as the predominant ethnic group in small sections of the four countries listed above...

If you look at the list of Kurdish political groups, they range from Communist to Islamic to militias ...

So, when people say we walked away from “The Kurds”, we had walked away from the majority of the Kurds decades ago...
Didn't Britain and France draw the boundaries after WWI? I don't know the reason but they probably felt it was in their interest to separate the Kurds.

The Armenian comparison is a good one.

CID, would the PKK be a problem for an independent Kurdistan too?

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UNI88 wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:If you haven’t really studies up on “The Kurds”, I’d recommend you do so before jumping on a position...I accept that CID has first hand experience, and depend on that type of information in making a decision...

IMHO, we need to demand that people of Kurdish decent in Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria do not suffer the same fate that the Armenians did over 100 years ago...

The Kurds were suppose to get their own country after WW I , but someone screwed them, and they were left as the predominant ethnic group in small sections of the four countries listed above...

If you look at the list of Kurdish political groups, they range from Communist to Islamic to militias ...

So, when people say we walked away from “The Kurds”, we had walked away from the majority of the Kurds decades ago...
Didn't Britain and France draw the boundaries after WWI? I don't know the reason but they probably felt it was in their interest to separate the Kurds.

The Armenian comparison is a good one.

CID, would the PKK be a problem for an independent Kurdistan too?

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Yes, to a degree. But they came about due to the decades of conflict the Kurds have lived under. Take that away and the PKK is bound to soften but they’d still be a political party - one consisting basically of former terrorists

Think of them as a nasty version of Sinn Fein
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The Kurds are already dead, move on.
No the Russians and Syrians are going to limit the Turkish effort to destroy them.
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Trump's letter to Erdogan (this is real):

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/read ... -be-a-fool

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∞∞∞ wrote:Trump's letter to Erdogan (this is real):

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Ivytalk wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Trump's letter to Erdogan (this is real):

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Temporary ceasefire underway.

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CID1990 wrote:I cant see polls on tapatalk

But I can guess the choices

1. Trump bad
2. Trump really bad
3. Trump abomination
4. I didnt care about the Kurds for the last 20 years but oddly now I do

I use Tapatalk too, did JSO make the poll up?

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CAA Flagship wrote:Temporary ceasefire underway.
Waiting for the fuel trucks. I can't see how Erdowan, or anyone, is going to be impressed with being called a fool by Donald Trump.
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SeattleGriz wrote:Voted good. Need to get out of others business.

Not happy when I hear soldiers are dismayed at our leaving.
Ditto. Been 18 years. For the people complaining about pulling out, how many more years do they want boots on the ground in the ME? 1 more year? 5? Another 18 years? 50? Forever? When does it end?

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mainejeff2 wrote:
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Waiting for the fuel trucks. I can't see how Erdowan, or anyone, is going to be impressed with being called a fool by Donald Trump.
He calls everyone names. It's a badge of honor. :thumb:

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BDKJMU wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Voted good. Need to get out of others business.

Not happy when I hear soldiers are dismayed at our leaving.
Ditto. Been 18 years. For the people complaining about pulling out, how many more years do they want boots on the ground in the ME? 1 more year? 5? Another 18 years? 50? Forever? When does it end?
Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Ditto. Been 18 years. For the people complaining about pulling out, how many more years do they want boots on the ground in the ME? 1 more year? 5? Another 18 years? 50? Forever? When does it end?
Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.
No matter how or when we pulled out, it would be abandoning our position to Russian intelligence. There’s no “good” way to do this.
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What about the Wisconsin Kurds? They've been hand battered and fried.Image

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houndawg wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Ditto. Been 18 years. For the people complaining about pulling out, how many more years do they want boots on the ground in the ME? 1 more year? 5? Another 18 years? 50? Forever? When does it end?
Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.

How would you do it? There is no good way.


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css75 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.

How would you do it? There is no good way.


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We could have guaranteed their sovereignty in the Irbil-Sulaymaniyah region in return for their own pledge to renounce any claims to their territories in Syria and Turkey but that ship sailed when we left Iraq.

Frankly, anybody paying even a modicum of attention to the region knew this was going to happen - the only question was when


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css75 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.

How would you do it? There is no good way.


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Cutting and running is reminiscent of Somalia - one should at least try to look like they're leaving because they want to not because they're being kicked out and can't do a thing about it.
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