Kurds Poll

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Trump's Decision Related to Current Turkish Incursion is

Good
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18%
Bad
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50%
Neither
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32%
 
Total votes: 28

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Re: RE: Re: Kurds Poll

Postby UNI88 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:05 am

Col Hogan wrote:If you haven’t really studies up on “The Kurds”, I’d recommend you do so before jumping on a position...I accept that CID has first hand experience, and depend on that type of information in making a decision...

IMHO, we need to demand that people of Kurdish decent in Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria do not suffer the same fate that the Armenians did over 100 years ago...

The Kurds were suppose to get their own country after WW I , but someone screwed them, and they were left as the predominant ethnic group in small sections of the four countries listed above...

If you look at the list of Kurdish political groups, they range from Communist to Islamic to militias ...

So, when people say we walked away from “The Kurds”, we had walked away from the majority of the Kurds decades ago...
Didn't Britain and France draw the boundaries after WWI? I don't know the reason but they probably felt it was in their interest to separate the Kurds.

The Armenian comparison is a good one.

CID, would the PKK be a problem for an independent Kurdistan too?

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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby CID1990 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:35 am

UNI88 wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:If you haven’t really studies up on “The Kurds”, I’d recommend you do so before jumping on a position...I accept that CID has first hand experience, and depend on that type of information in making a decision...

IMHO, we need to demand that people of Kurdish decent in Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria do not suffer the same fate that the Armenians did over 100 years ago...

The Kurds were suppose to get their own country after WW I , but someone screwed them, and they were left as the predominant ethnic group in small sections of the four countries listed above...

If you look at the list of Kurdish political groups, they range from Communist to Islamic to militias ...

So, when people say we walked away from “The Kurds”, we had walked away from the majority of the Kurds decades ago...
Didn't Britain and France draw the boundaries after WWI? I don't know the reason but they probably felt it was in their interest to separate the Kurds.

The Armenian comparison is a good one.

CID, would the PKK be a problem for an independent Kurdistan too?

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Yes, to a degree. But they came about due to the decades of conflict the Kurds have lived under. Take that away and the PKK is bound to soften but they’d still be a political party - one consisting basically of former terrorists

Think of them as a nasty version of Sinn Fein
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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby JohnStOnge » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:09 am

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The Kurds are already dead, move on.


No the Russians and Syrians are going to limit the Turkish effort to destroy them.
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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby ∞∞∞ » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:01 pm

Trump's letter to Erdogan (this is real):

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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby Ivytalk » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:05 pm

∞∞∞ wrote:Trump's letter to Erdogan (this is real):

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/read ... -be-a-fool


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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby GannonFan » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:54 pm

Ivytalk wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Trump's letter to Erdogan (this is real):

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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby CAA Flagship » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:40 am

Temporary ceasefire underway.

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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby css75 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:04 pm

CID1990 wrote:I cant see polls on tapatalk

But I can guess the choices

1. Trump bad
2. Trump really bad
3. Trump abomination
4. I didnt care about the Kurds for the last 20 years but oddly now I do

I use Tapatalk too, did JSO make the poll up?

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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby houndawg » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:38 am

CAA Flagship wrote:Temporary ceasefire underway.


Waiting for the fuel trucks. I can't see how Erdowan, or anyone, is going to be impressed with being called a fool by Donald Trump.
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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby mainejeff2 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:21 am

houndawg wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Temporary ceasefire underway.


Waiting for the fuel trucks. I can't see how Erdowan, or anyone, is going to be impressed with being called a fool by Donald Trump.


He calls everyone names. It's a badge of honor. :thumb:

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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby BDKJMU » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:03 am

SeattleGriz wrote:Voted good. Need to get out of others business.

Not happy when I hear soldiers are dismayed at our leaving.

Ditto. Been 18 years. For the people complaining about pulling out, how many more years do they want boots on the ground in the ME? 1 more year? 5? Another 18 years? 50? Forever? When does it end?

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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby houndawg » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:06 am

mainejeff2 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Waiting for the fuel trucks. I can't see how Erdowan, or anyone, is going to be impressed with being called a fool by Donald Trump.


He calls everyone names. It's a badge of honor. :thumb:

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Dictators hate that shit. :coffee:
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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby houndawg » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:12 am

BDKJMU wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:Voted good. Need to get out of others business.

Not happy when I hear soldiers are dismayed at our leaving.


Ditto. Been 18 years. For the people complaining about pulling out, how many more years do they want boots on the ground in the ME? 1 more year? 5? Another 18 years? 50? Forever? When does it end?


Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.
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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby AZGrizFan » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:48 am

houndawg wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Ditto. Been 18 years. For the people complaining about pulling out, how many more years do they want boots on the ground in the ME? 1 more year? 5? Another 18 years? 50? Forever? When does it end?


Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.


No matter how or when we pulled out, it would be abandoning our position to Russian intelligence. There’s no “good” way to do this.
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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby UNI88 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:44 pm

What about the Wisconsin Kurds? They've been hand battered and fried.Image

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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby css75 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:54 pm

houndawg wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Ditto. Been 18 years. For the people complaining about pulling out, how many more years do they want boots on the ground in the ME? 1 more year? 5? Another 18 years? 50? Forever? When does it end?


Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.



How would you do it? There is no good way.


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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby BDKJMU » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:02 am

css75 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.



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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby CID1990 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:43 am

We could have guaranteed their sovereignty in the Irbil-Sulaymaniyah region in return for their own pledge to renounce any claims to their territories in Syria and Turkey but that ship sailed when we left Iraq.

Frankly, anybody paying even a modicum of attention to the region knew this was going to happen - the only question was when


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Re: Kurds Poll

Postby houndawg » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:21 pm

css75 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Jesus Christ man, pull your head out. Obviously the problem isn't that we're pulling out, that's a good thing, its how we're pulling out. Abandoning our position to Russian intelligence in panicked retreat...that's pretty disgraceful and I think the troops are going to blame Trump for making them a laughingstock in front of our enemies.



How would you do it? There is no good way.


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Cutting and running is reminiscent of Somalia - one should at least try to look like they're leaving because they want to not because they're being kicked out and can't do a thing about it.
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