Trump motivation poll
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:22 pm
Republicans have been arguing that all Trump was after in this Ukraine situation was Ukraine corruption. Do you believe that?
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John,JohnStOnge wrote:Republicans have been arguing that all Trump was after in this Ukraine situation was Ukraine corruption. Do you believe that?
So, Joe Biden and his son were on the up and up?Chizzang wrote:John,JohnStOnge wrote:Republicans have been arguing that all Trump was after in this Ukraine situation was Ukraine corruption. Do you believe that?
nobody believes that - including any republican - the game is afoot
Different question for a different threadSeattleGriz wrote:So, Joe Biden and his son were on the up and up?Chizzang wrote:
John,
nobody believes that - including any republican - the game is afoot
Of course you wouldn't answer the question. I'll take that as a "No, the Bidens were not on the up and up".Chizzang wrote:Different question for a different threadSeattleGriz wrote:
So, Joe Biden and his son were on the up and up?
"But Hilary" threads are over there too
You didn’t answer John’s question either.SeattleGriz wrote:Of course you wouldn't answer the question. I'll take that as a "No, the Bidens were not on the up and up".Chizzang wrote:
Different question for a different thread
"But Hilary" threads are over there too
It pertains to this thread because if what the Bidens were doing was wrong, then it opens the door for Trump.
I answered the poll. Said Trump was doing it to harm Biden.kalm wrote:You didn’t answer John’s question either.SeattleGriz wrote:
Of course you wouldn't answer the question. I'll take that as a "No, the Bidens were not on the up and up".
It pertains to this thread because if what the Bidens were doing was wrong, then it opens the door for Trump.
I think what Chizz was trying to say (in a nice way) is that if you support Trump you’re either a troll or too gullible and ill-informed to avoid joining the cult of personality.
(It’s impossible for me to type “cult of personality without repeating it twice and drawing out the 3rd “personality”)
I don't know but it's suspicious.SeattleGriz wrote:I answered the poll. Said Trump was doing it to harm Biden.kalm wrote:
You didn’t answer John’s question either.
I think what Chizz was trying to say (in a nice way) is that if you support Trump you’re either a troll or too gullible and ill-informed to avoid joining the cult of personality.
(It’s impossible for me to type “cult of personality without repeating it twice and drawing out the 3rd “personality”)
But. If Biden did anything wrong, then he opened the door for Trump to hide behind rooting out corruption.
I'll ask you directly, like I did Chiz. Is what the Bidens did on the up and up?
Like Mussolini and Kennedy?kalm wrote:You didn’t answer John’s question either.SeattleGriz wrote:
Of course you wouldn't answer the question. I'll take that as a "No, the Bidens were not on the up and up".
It pertains to this thread because if what the Bidens were doing was wrong, then it opens the door for Trump.
I think what Chizz was trying to say (in a nice way) is that if you support Trump you’re either a troll or too gullible and ill-informed to avoid joining the cult of personality.
(It’s impossible for me to type “cult of personality" without repeating "I am the cult of" and drawing out a final “personality” at the end)
I don't think it was a good idea for Hunter Biden to do what he did in that, even if Joe Biden had never said anything about the Ukraine prosecutor, it created an appearance of conflict of interest. However, I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that concern over corruption is what motivated Trump to specifically focus on the Bidens and to do things like try to get the Ukraine President to publicly annoucne an investigation into the Bidens.SeattleGriz wrote:So, Joe Biden and his son were on the up and up?Chizzang wrote:
John,
nobody believes that - including any republican - the game is afoot
So. You got nuthin' but a smear? Bzzzzzzz. Wrong answer.Ivytalk wrote:Someone call Bellevue Hospital. JSO is officially “around the bend.”
JohnStOnge wrote:It also doesn't help that we've got almost half the country relying on "conservative media" instead of on mainstream media. The mainstream media are not perfect. There is liberal bias that impacts their frames of reference and impacts the contexts they present. But they are not like the conservative media. The conservative media are there to intentionally propagandize. They intentionally publish misleading information in the interest of a political point of view.
Not every individual in the conservative media. There are people like Chris Wallace and other pure news people on Fox News that aren't like that. But the entities themselves are there for the purpose of influencing public opinion towards being more favorable to conservative ideology. That's why Fox News as an overall entity exists. That's why Rush Limbaugh exists. So on and so forth.
The mainstream media are there with the intent of presenting the truth. The Washington Post, for example, was not established in order to propagandize to influence public opinion towards being more favorable to liberal ideology. And the Washington Post does not exist for that purpose today. It's objective is to present the truth. Its presentation is biased by frame of reference. But not by an intentional effort to misinform such as is the case with something like Fox News, someone like Rush Limbaugh, or a internet sources like The Blaze and Breitbart.
From Day 1, Fox made their conservative bias known. It’s gone towards the right more and more as the years pass but anyone expecting Fox to be neutral just wasn’t paying attention.JohnStOnge wrote:When Fox News started I had hopes of having a more neutral major news source. The "mainstream media" are indeed biased. Not intentionally so. But the overwhelming majority of journalists in them are liberals. That's their frame of reference. It influences what they prioritize. It influences their perspective.
But it didn't happen. Instead we got an overtly and intentionally biased conservative propaganda organ. And it's really bad for the country as we are seeing now. We have a President who is obviously corrupt. But we have about 45% of the population getting their distorted view of the world "confirmed" by the conservative media propaganda apparatus.
We depend on having an informed population and we have a serious problem with conservative media intentionally misinforming the population.
Again: I have all the respect in the world for people like Chris Wallace at Fox News. He is an honest man. But he's being drowned out by the overwhelming preponderance of demagogues over there.
exactly,93henfan wrote:Like Mussolini and Kennedy?kalm wrote:
You didn’t answer John’s question either.
I think what Chizz was trying to say (in a nice way) is that if you support Trump you’re either a troll or too gullible and ill-informed to avoid joining the cult of personality.
(It’s impossible for me to type “cult of personality" without repeating "I am the cult of" and drawing out a final “personality” at the end)
So, you truly believe that the MSM is biased “unintentionally”, but Fox News is overtly biased?JohnStOnge wrote:When Fox News started I had hopes of having a more neutral major news source. The "mainstream media" are indeed biased. Not intentionally so. But the overwhelming majority of journalists in them are liberals. That's their frame of reference. It influences what they prioritize. It influences their perspective.
But it didn't happen. Instead we got an overtly and intentionally biased conservative propaganda organ. And it's really bad for the country as we are seeing now. We have a President who is obviously corrupt. But we have about 45% of the population getting their distorted view of the world "confirmed" by the conservative media propaganda apparatus.
We depend on having an informed population and we have a serious problem with conservative media intentionally misinforming the population.
Again: I have all the respect in the world for people like Chris Wallace at Fox News. He is an honest man. But he's being drowned out by the overwhelming preponderance of demagogues over there.
It is fucking hilarious to watch ANYONE come out and defend the MSM. Everything you wrote in red has been done 1,000 times by the leftist MSM. Probably more.Aho Old Guy wrote:So. You got nuthin' but a smear? Bzzzzzzz. Wrong answer.Ivytalk wrote:Someone call Bellevue Hospital. JSO is officially “around the bend.”
You may not like like it, but the "Fox News Effect" is real. In 2003, 75% of Fox viewers though Saddam was responsible for 9/11 (and possessed 'WMD'). Even today, 20-25% of 'em still feel the same way (and that The Shrub was a great President?).
John is right __ and you swung and missed.JohnStOnge wrote:It also doesn't help that we've got almost half the country relying on "conservative media" instead of on mainstream media. The mainstream media are not perfect. There is liberal bias that impacts their frames of reference and impacts the contexts they present. But they are not like the conservative media. The conservative media are there to intentionally propagandize. They intentionally publish misleading information in the interest of a political point of view.
Not every individual in the conservative media. There are people like Chris Wallace and other pure news people on Fox News that aren't like that. But the entities themselves are there for the purpose of influencing public opinion towards being more favorable to conservative ideology. That's why Fox News as an overall entity exists. That's why Rush Limbaugh exists. So on and so forth.
The mainstream media are there with the intent of presenting the truth. The Washington Post, for example, was not established in order to propagandize to influence public opinion towards being more favorable to liberal ideology. And the Washington Post does not exist for that purpose today. It's objective is to present the truth. Its presentation is biased by frame of reference. But not by an intentional effort to misinform such as is the case with something like Fox News, someone like Rush Limbaugh, or a internet sources like The Blaze and Breitbart.
Actually, he’s more of a smarter, more substantive HoundawgIvytalk wrote:AholeRealOldGuy just pops out of the ground once or twice a month to stir things up. Analjelly will grow up to be just like him.
Yes. The bias associated with the mainstream media exists because a disproportionate percentage of mainstream media journalists are ideologically liberal. But their efforts are generally directed at finding the truth.AZGrizFan wrote:JohnStOnge wrote:
So, you truly believe that the MSM is biased “unintentionally”, but Fox News is overtly biased?
The guy voted for Trump in 2016.Craig Silverman, a former chief deputy district attorney in Denver and talk-show host on the conservative 710 KNUS radio station, said he was fired mid-show Saturday after criticizing President Donald Trump.
Silverman was in the middle of a segment about Roy Cohn, Trump’s former personal attorney, when he suddenly was interrupted by network news, he told The Denver Post.
Silverman’s producer threw his hands up in the air, indicating it wasn’t him.
Instead, program director Kelly Michaels came through the door.
“You’re done,” Silverman recounted Michaels as saying.
The former prosecutor, who has hosted “The Craig Silverman Show” from 9 a.m. to noon on Saturdays for more than five years, responded to the sudden firing on Twitter.
“I cannot and will not toe strict Trump party line. I call things as I see them,” he tweeted. “I see corruption and blatant dishonesty by President and his cronies. I also see bullying/smearing of American heroes w/courage to take oath and tell truth. Their bravery inspires me.”