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“ To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.”

https://gen.medium.com/my-semester-with ... 8285f0e662?

I read this piece from a friend of mine in my Facebook feed today. Kalmie and I are closer than previously thought!

Nice article.

What a pussy.

AZGrizFan wrote:Nice article.

What a pussy.

When I was in grad school, most of my cohort was at least a generation younger. We got along fine for the most part: I was kind of a father/grandfather figure. Most of them had shockingly little knowledge of history, to the extent the subject came up in class. But there was one whiny 56-year-old woman who sucked up to all the professors with every leftist cliche in the book. To their credit, the profs generally ignored her.

kalm wrote:“ To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.”

https://gen.medium.com/my-semester-with ... 8285f0e662?

She doesn’t need anyone to provide a comfortable environment for her. What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement.

What? A place "without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement" IS a comfortable environment.
An "uncomfortable environment" is a place where you are challenged to persuade or convince people to side with your views when they illicit harsh judgement. This forum for example. She couldn't survive.

AZGrizFan wrote:Nice article.

What a pussy.

This.

Btw, Ivy League schools love bringing in token military guys just so articles like this can be written.

93henfan wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Nice article.

What a pussy.

This.

Btw, Ivy League schools love bringing in token military guys just so articles like this can be written.

You should hear Jim Webb talk about his time at Georgetown as a vet while the VN war was still going on


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CAA Flagship wrote:

kalm wrote:“ To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.”

https://gen.medium.com/my-semester-with ... 8285f0e662?

She doesn’t need anyone to provide a comfortable environment for her. What she meant by “safe space” was that she was happy to be in an environment where difficult subjects can be discussed openly, without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement.

What? A place "without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement" IS a comfortable environment.
An "uncomfortable environment" is a place where you are challenged to persuade or convince people to side with your views when they illicit harsh judgement. This forum for example. She couldn't survive.

Probably not but this place is exceptional. Full of thick skinned and funny dudes. It’s akin to the comedy scene being the last bastion of cultural truth telling allowed. It’s also not for everybody.

I appreciated the contradictions in the article. He’s defending (and softening) the intentions of respectful dialogue while acknowledging the positivity of challenging his own safe space where he presumes to be the dummy. CS is harsh but also a safe space in a way because you can speak your mind without worrying to offend.

kalm wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:



What? A place "without the risk of disrespect or harsh judgement" IS a comfortable environment.
An "uncomfortable environment" is a place where you are challenged to persuade or convince people to side with your views when they illicit harsh judgement. This forum for example. She couldn't survive.

Probably not but this place is exceptional. Full of thick skinned and funny dudes. It’s akin to the comedy scene being the last bastion of cultural truth telling allowed. It’s also not for everybody.

I appreciated the contradictions in the article. He’s defending (and softening) the intentions of respectful dialogue while acknowledging the positivity of challenging his own safe space where he presumes to be the dummy. CS is harsh but also a safe space in a way because you can speak your mind without worrying to offend.

In other words....he's turning into a pussy.

Soon all of us will be dead (and frankly not soon enough but thats a different subject)
and we will be replaced by those kids

and they'll be fine without us - perfectly fine without us

Chizzang wrote:Soon all of us will be dead (and frankly not soon enough but thats a different subject)
and we will be replaced by those kids

and they'll be fine without us - perfectly fine without us

They'll all be speaking Chinese, but they'll be perfectly fine.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Soon all of us will be dead (and frankly not soon enough but thats a different subject)
and we will be replaced by those kids

and they'll be fine without us - perfectly fine without us

They'll all be speaking Chinese, but they'll be perfectly fine.

always the drama queen

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Probably not but this place is exceptional. Full of thick skinned and funny dudes. It’s akin to the comedy scene being the last bastion of cultural truth telling allowed. It’s also not for everybody.

I appreciated the contradictions in the article. He’s defending (and softening) the intentions of respectful dialogue while acknowledging the positivity of challenging his own safe space where he presumes to be the dummy. CS is harsh but also a safe space in a way because you can speak your mind without worrying to offend.

In other words....he's turning into a pussy.

Introspection truly frightens you doesn’t it?

Chizzang wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
They'll all be speaking Chinese, but they'll be perfectly fine.

always the drama queen

kalm wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
In other words....he's turning into a pussy.

Introspection truly frightens you doesn’t it?

I don't need introspection. I already know I'm a perfect asshole.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Introspection truly frightens you doesn’t it?

I don't need introspection. I already know I'm a perfect asshole.

The guy is right, but that still leaves the question of why college administrations bend over backwards to placate a loud mob minority.

It's really a microcosm of what's going on with politics in the US and Europe with left-wing parties trying to win elections on Twitter instead of among the people. Of course voters can push back at it by electing guys they wouldn't normally touch with a ten-foot pole, but college administrators won't put to a student vote adding a $300 fee for a mandatory white privilege seminar.

Eventually I think it'll be the liberal faculty that will have to save higher ed once they see the woke mobs are threatening academic freedom and their tenure and promotions (that's already starting to happen, but it'll get worse).

Chizzang wrote:Soon all of us will be dead (and frankly not soon enough but thats a different subject)
and we will be replaced by those kids

and they'll be fine without us - perfectly fine without us

I’ll be dead so I don’t really care

But it would be nice to live long enough to find out if the Fermi Paradox is true

Pwns wrote:The guy is right, but that still leaves the question of why college administrations bend over backwards to placate a loud mob minority.

It's really a microcosm of what's going on with politics in the US and Europe with left-wing parties trying to win elections on Twitter instead of among the people. Of course voters can push back at it by electing guys they wouldn't normally touch with a ten-foot pole, but college administrators won't put to a student vote adding a $300 fee for a mandatory white privilege seminar.

Eventually I think it'll be the liberal faculty that will have to save higher ed once they see the woke mobs are threatening academic freedom and their tenure and promotions (that's already starting to happen, but it'll get worse).

Did you type that middle paragraph with a straight face?

kalm wrote:

Pwns wrote:The guy is right, but that still leaves the question of why college administrations bend over backwards to placate a loud mob minority.

It's really a microcosm of what's going on with politics in the US and Europe with left-wing parties trying to win elections on Twitter instead of among the people. Of course voters can push back at it by electing guys they wouldn't normally touch with a ten-foot pole, but college administrators won't put to a student vote adding a $300 fee for a mandatory white privilege seminar.

Eventually I think it'll be the liberal faculty that will have to save higher ed once they see the woke mobs are threatening academic freedom and their tenure and promotions (that's already starting to happen, but it'll get worse).

Did you type that middle paragraph with a straight face?

What part do you have a problem with? You don't think administrators pander to the angry student mobs? They took John Calhoun's name off of a college.

Pwns wrote:

kalm wrote:
Did you type that middle paragraph with a straight face?

What part do you have a problem with? You don't think administrators pander to the angry student mobs? They took John Calhoun's name off of a college.

The part about winning elections disregarding the people and twitter. Neither side has a monopoly there.

Chizzang wrote:Soon all of us will be dead (and frankly not soon enough but thats a different subject)
and we will be replaced by those kids

and they'll be fine without us - perfectly fine without us

I’m intrigued, Cleets. What do you mean by “not soon enough”? Might as well pursue that thought right here.

Ivytalk wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Soon all of us will be dead (and frankly not soon enough but thats a different subject)
and we will be replaced by those kids

and they'll be fine without us - perfectly fine without us

I’m intrigued, Cleets. What do you mean by “not soon enough”? Might as well pursue that thought right here.

Every aging generation:
Expresses dissatisfaction with the youth whilst simultaneously glorifying itself in a sad epilogue
I always hoped my generation would be the first to break the cycle

but here we are... not dying off fast enough
and glorifying ourselves all the while

Chizzang wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: I’m intrigued, Cleets. What do you mean by “not soon enough”? Might as well pursue that thought right here.

Every aging generation:
Expresses dissatisfaction with the youth whilst simultaneously glorifying itself in a sad epilogue
I always hoped my generation would be the first to break the cycle

but here we are... not dying off fast enough
and glorifying ourselves all the while

Jesus, Cleets. I expect to hear that kind of neg-head talk out of Tripz and his ilk, not you. Maybe we should pursue the Governor Dick Lamm (remember him?) philosophy and be done with it.

Chizzang wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: I’m intrigued, Cleets. What do you mean by “not soon enough”? Might as well pursue that thought right here.

Every aging generation:
Expresses dissatisfaction with the youth whilst simultaneously glorifying itself in a sad epilogue
I always hoped my generation would be the first to break the cycle

but here we are... not dying off fast enough
and glorifying ourselves all the while

Well, anyone is free to accelerate the process as they see fit.