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The Bill for Globalization has Arrived.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020- ... #read_more
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Pwns wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:07 am
The Bill for Globalization has Arrived.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020- ... #read_more
Well this statement right here ended my quest to finish reading the rest of the article:
Even as China withholds vital medical supplies, he refuses to end our suicidal dependence on them.
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Minnesota just released the names of Long-term Care Facilities with at least 1 positive test for COVID-19. My In-laws are in one of the listed facilities. Hope they make it thru this. She's 88 and he's 93.
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Missoula County just had its first COVID related death. We are all doomed.
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houndawg wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:18 am
UNI88 wrote:
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Houndie creates his own herbal blend - a little bean, a little bud, a little ...
You should ty it - losening up a little wouldn't hurt you at all
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Vidav wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:45 pm
Missoula County just had its first COVID related death. We are all doomed.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:39 pm
Vidav wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:45 pm
Missoula County just had its first COVID related death. We are all doomed.
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Vidav wrote:
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Missoula County just had its first COVID related death. We are all doomed.
Well we'll need to check with Sean Hannity first
he said CVD-19 was just another deep state hoax like climate change

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which seems informed and reasonable
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Interesting to see how close this model gets as they update with new data. So far its drastically over its predictions in pretty much every state by a wide margin.

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Using #s as of yesterday:
Why We Don’t Know How Many Americans Are Infected With Coronavirus—and Might Never Know
Sparse testing is just one reason the official tally is far too low, but the numbers will get more reliable over time

....Preliminary research by mathematical modelers in the Centre for the Mathematical Modelling of Infectious Diseases at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine found the U.S.’s case count likely represented just 14% to 19% of actual infections that produced symptoms....
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SDHornet wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:59 pm


Interesting to see how close this model gets as they update with new data. So far its drastically over its predictions in pretty much every state by a wide margin.
It's interesting that they'd us the University of Washington Virology department model...

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Chizzang wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:25 pm
SDHornet wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:59 pm


Interesting to see how close this model gets as they update with new data. So far its drastically over its predictions in pretty much every state by a wide margin.
It's interesting that they'd us the University of Washington Virology department model...

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Why wouldn't they use it. What do you have against the UW?
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SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:38 pm
Chizzang wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:25 pm


It's interesting that they'd us the University of Washington Virology department model...

:geek:
Why wouldn't they use it. What do you have against the UW?
I haven't seen anyone that doesn't look at multiple models. Especially, JSO. (updates made with crayons on the wall)

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BDKJMU wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:02 pm
Germany and France now bitching at the US over masks.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ge ... r-BB128L6l
You mean like how Trump and his cronies confiscated Masks intended for Massachusetts?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/27/ ... _Text_Link

And then MA had to do a secret mission to China to actually get some?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/02/ ... j-reports/
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CAA Flagship wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:40 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:38 pm


Why wouldn't they use it. What do you have against the UW?
I haven't seen anyone that doesn't look at multiple models. Especially, JSO. (updates made with crayons on the wall)
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Perhaps I have missed this....why has the media continually added to the confirmed totals, but don't ever lower the numbers from those that have beat it or have died?
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grizzaholic wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:57 pm
Perhaps I have missed this....why has the media continually added to the confirmed totals, but don't ever lower the numbers from those that have beat it or have died?
I don't know but you can see that at the worldometer site. It's frequently updated but as of now it indicates that, in the United States, 8,452 have died while 14,741 have recovered. I think the situation will come to look a lot better than that because it also says that, as I type, there are 288,164 active cases and "only" 8,206 are "Serious,Critical." But it's still going to look pretty bad.

Right now, world wide, 79% of cases that have been "completed" are recoveries while 21% are deaths.

Now, let's also remember that these are confirmed cases. Confirmed cases means they've tested positive. There are a whole bunch of cases where people never get tested.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:07 pm
grizzaholic wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:57 pm
Perhaps I have missed this....why has the media continually added to the confirmed totals, but don't ever lower the numbers from those that have beat it or have died?
I don't know but you can see that at the worldometer site. It's frequently updated but as of now it indicates that, in the United States, 8,452 have died while 14,741 have recovered. I think the situation will come to look a lot better than that because it also says that, as I type, there are 288,164 active cases and "only" 8,206 are "Serious,Critical." But it's still going to look pretty bad.

Right now, world wide, 79% of cases that have been "completed" are recoveries while 21% are deaths.

Now, let's also remember that these are confirmed cases. Confirmed cases means they've tested positive. There are a whole bunch of cases where people never get tested.
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Watching Trump again. I just shake my head at the fact that ANYBODY would vote for that buffoon to be President of the United States.

Very sad that we have a significant proportion of our population that would vote for somebody like that under ANY circumstances. Not a good sign for the future of the United States.

EXCEPT for the fact that the demographics are changing. I used to lament the fact that people in my demographic (old white guys) are a shrinking proportion of the population. Now I think that trend is the hope for saving this country. Old white guys have, over the past few years, shown that we do NOT want them controlling the future.
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Now for why I came here: I am concerned that the CDC changed its recommendations on wearing masks due to political pressure rather than science. I've seen talking heads who had been pressing for this say the reason is that the information has changed. Specifically, they say we now know there can be asymptomatic infections that can spread the disease and that we now know the disease can be transmitted via aerosols.

But I have been following those things. It was known that asymptomatic infections could transmit since at least as early as February and it has been known that it could be transmitted in aerosols since at least as early as early March. This is not something that happened because the CDC suddenly got information that those things could happen. They already knew that. And they were already operating under the assumptions that the disease could be transmitted by asymptomatic infections as well as via aerosols.

My belief is that the CDC took the position it was taking because it judged that whatever would be gained by telling everyone to wear masks would be outweighed by what we be lost through behavioral changes.

This morning I went to a grocery store while wearing a home made mask for the first time. One thing I noticed immediately is that my glasses would fog when I exhaled. That means the mask was not containing the aerosols I was exhaling, I'm sure it was stopping some of it. But definitely not all.

That mask was made by my wife. She sewed it during an effort to provide home made masks to health care providers. I had another errand to run and she made me one created according to the Surgeon General's instructions. Again, my glasses fogged every time I exhaled. It was not containing aerosols.

This kind of thing, where you have public pressure to change a public health posture, always worries me. I have seen a number of instances before where I had direct knowledge of what was going on and things were done just because, regardless of what the data said, it became clear that pandering to public perception was necessary.

I do hope this is not one of those cases. But I suspect that it is.
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As long as Trump keeps having 3:45 Corona rallies Monday thru Friday to calm the markets....everything will be OK. :thumb:
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mainejeff wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:56 pm
As long as Trump keeps having 3:45 Corona rallies Monday thru Friday to calm the markets....everything will be OK. :thumb:
What gets me is that we have about half the population that approves of the job Trump's been doing on this. I mean come ON. How obvious could it be that he's screwed up? We have stuff like him saying on February 26, "When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

How obvious could it be, at THIS point, that he didn't get it?'

I guess it's fair to understand that most people don't follow things closely enough to know that he should have known his partial travel ban would not have much of an effect. But, I mean, we now have by far the most cases in the world. We are currently third in deaths and are rapidly overtaking the two countries (Italy and Spain) ahead of us. How could ANYONE think Trump has been doing a good job with this?

Again: Especially because it is so clear from his own statements over time that he completely under estimated the threat and got caught with his pants down.

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JSO, you mad bro?

You better get out and vote for Biden! He would have stopped this by St Patricks Day.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:34 pm
Now for why I came here: I am concerned that the CDC changed its recommendations on wearing masks due to political pressure rather than science. I've seen talking heads who had been pressing for this say the reason is that the information has changed. Specifically, they say we now know there can be asymptomatic infections that can spread the disease and that we now know the disease can be transmitted via aerosols.

But I have been following those things. It was known that asymptomatic infections could transmit since at least as early as February and it has been known that it could be transmitted in aerosols since at least as early as early March. This is not something that happened because the CDC suddenly got information that those things could happen. They already knew that. And they were already operating under the assumptions that the disease could be transmitted by asymptomatic infections as well as via aerosols.

My belief is that the CDC took the position it was taking because it judged that whatever would be gained by telling everyone to wear masks would be outweighed by what we be lost through behavioral changes.

This morning I went to a grocery store while wearing a home made mask for the first time. One thing I noticed immediately is that my glasses would fog when I exhaled. That means the mask was not containing the aerosols I was exhaling, I'm sure it was stopping some of it. But definitely not all.

That mask was made by my wife. She sewed it during an effort to provide home made masks to health care providers. I had another errand to run and she made me one created according to the Surgeon General's instructions. Again, my glasses fogged every time I exhaled. It was not containing aerosols.

This kind of thing, where you have public pressure to change a public health posture, always worries me. I have seen a number of instances before where I had direct knowledge of what was going on and things were done just because, regardless of what the data said, it became clear that pandering to public perception was necessary.

I do hope this is not one of those cases. But I suspect that it is.
Dr tried to explain that the virus was originally thought to be airbourne thru coughing and sneezing. It's been found that the virus is lighter than previously thought. This means it can become airbourne from talking. When it becomes airbourne, it drops towards the ground in the first few feet. This is why the mask are suggested and the 6 foot rule.
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