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HI54UNI wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:44 am
WHO doctor says lockdowns should not be main coronavirus defence

Recent commentary from the World Health Organization's (WHO) special envoy on COVID-19 has sparked questions about the legitimacy of lockdowns to stop the spread of coronavirus.

"We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus."

This statement from Dr David Nabarro has also prompted questions about whether the WHO has backflipped on its advice, months after the pandemic was declared.


Dr Nabarro told The Spectator the economic impact on small countries that rely on tourism and increased poverty levels are two major effects of shutting communities down.

"We really do appeal to all world leaders, stop using lockdown as your primary method of control," he said.

"Lockdowns have just one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/ ... e/12753688
Of course they do. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here in CA deaths have been in a steady decline (7 day avg) since the peak in early Aug. Cases have flat lined since about Sept 12. But yeah CA should stay locked down or something. :dunce:

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California hasn't loosened restrictions? You sure about that?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:26 pm
kalm wrote:
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For starters, deaths are up and Covid deaths have probably been under-counted. :suspicious:
Lol. Deaths FROM covid or deaths WITH covid? :coffee:
Both. And/or we’re really shitty compared to other countries.


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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

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89Hen wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:41 pm
kalm wrote:
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Covid deaths have probably been under-counted. :suspicious:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
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California hasn't loosened restrictions? You sure about that?
Lol...well, he lives there, sooooo.....
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

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kalm wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:35 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:26 pm


Lol. Deaths FROM covid or deaths WITH covid? :coffee:
Both. And/or we’re really shitty compared to other countries.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... hYP1OjdlLo
Well, we’re generally a lot unhealthier at living in general than other developed countries...so there’s that.
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kalm wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:35 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:26 pm


Lol. Deaths FROM covid or deaths WITH covid? :coffee:
Both. And/or we’re really shitty compared to other countries.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... hYP1OjdlLo
What defines a COVID death? Does it vary from country to country?
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I know, this can’t be real. Someone pretending to be Newsome I guess. Still pretty funny though..
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:13 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:19 pm
California hasn't loosened restrictions? You sure about that?
Lol...well, he lives there, sooooo.....
Yeah no shit. Russian hoax guy telling people here in CA to be ok with "loosened restrictions". Not a surprise it completely went over his head.

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Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:57 pm


I know, this can’t be real. Someone pretending to be Newsome I guess. Still pretty funny though..
California is easing its coronavirus restrictions to allow up to three households to socialize outdoors, an expansion of rules aimed at people tempted to have even larger gatherings around Halloween, Thanksgiving and end-of-year holidays, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Monday.

Three households can gather so long as they wear masks and follow other safety precautions designed to stem the spread of the virus, under the new guidelines from the California Department of Public Health. State health officials previously discouraged gatherings outside of a single household.
https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/oct/12/c ... socialize/

Meanwhile dumbass jellybelly will tell us that CA has "loosened restrictions". :dunce:

BTW, anyone thinking that a Brown state like CA is going to limit family gatherings to 3 households is :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

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Well, we’re generally a lot unhealthier at living in general than other developed countries...so there’s that.
An oft overlooked point. We have some of the best medicine available in the world.
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Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

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89Hen wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:33 am
AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:14 pm
Well, we’re generally a lot unhealthier at living in general than other developed countries...so there’s that.
An oft overlooked point. We have some of the best medicine available in the world.
1 Hong Kong 85.29 88.17 82.38
2 Japan 85.03 88.09 81.91
3 Macao 84.68 87.62 81.73
4 Switzerland 84.25 86.02 82.42
5 Singapore 84.07 86.15 82.06
6 Italy 84.01 85.97 81.90
7 Spain 83.99 86.68 81.27
8 Australia 83.94 85.80 82.08
9 Channel Islands 83.60 85.31 81.82
10 Iceland 83.52 84.90 82.15
11 South Korea 83.50 86.42 80.46
12 Israel 83.49 84.91 81.98
13 Sweden 83.33 84.97 81.69
14 Martinique 83.13 86.10 79.85
14 France 83.13 85.82 80.32
15 Malta 83.06 84.68 81.37
16 Canada 82.96 84.74 81.15
17 Norway 82.94 84.78 81.11
18 Ireland 82.81 84.32 81.29
19 New Zealand 82.80 84.38 81.20
19 Greece 82.80 85.08 80.52
20 Luxembourg 82.79 84.76 80.83
21 Netherlands 82.78 84.35 81.20
22 Guadeloupe 82.74 85.94 79.16
23 Portugal 82.65 85.28 79.79
24 Finland 82.48 85.14 79.82
25 Belgium 82.17 84.31 80.00
26 Austria 82.05 84.19 79.88
27 Germany 81.88 84.14 79.62
28 Slovenia 81.85 84.44 79.26
29 United Kingdom 81.77 83.28 80.22
30 Réunion 81.55 84.45 78.52
31 Cyprus 81.51 83.45 79.55
32 Denmark 81.40 83.27 79.54
33 U.S. Virgin Islands 81.17 83.52 78.64
34 Taiwan 81.04 83.64 78.49
35 Costa Rica 80.94 83.39 78.53
36 Guam 80.74 83.98 77.63
36 Chile 80.74 82.80 78.54
37 Qatar 80.73 82.49 79.78
38 Puerto Rico 80.69 83.92 77.27
39 French Guiana 80.53 83.38 77.80
40 Maldives 79.89 81.58 78.53
41 Mayotte 79.85 83.24 76.62
41 Czech Republic (Czechia) 79.85 82.35 77.33
42 Barbados 79.64 80.85 78.36
43 Curaçao 79.41 82.08 76.42
44 Poland 79.27 82.98 75.51
44 Lebanon 79.27 81.17 77.53
45 Cuba 79.18 81.12 77.25
45 Estonia 79.18 83.06 74.98
46 United States 79.11 81.65 76.61
Which in and of itself is an indictment of the system and need for more restrictions.
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kalm wrote:
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Which in and of itself is an indictment of the system and need for more restrictions.
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89Hen wrote:
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kalm wrote:
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Which in and of itself is an indictment of the system and need for more restrictions.
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Things going bad in Europe right now, first time since earlier in the year that the EU has more COVID positive cases than the US. France has a curfew from 9PM to 6AM in most places and have banned really any groups for at least the next 4 weeks. Northern Ireland is closing schools for 4 weeks. Even Germany is seeing rises and now contemplating next steps. Not pretty over there. Debate over lockdowns happening again. I think the UK is promising 2/3 of the wages of people who are laid off during this time.

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GannonFan wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:36 pm
Things going bad in Europe right now, first time since earlier in the year that the EU has more COVID positive cases than the US. France has a curfew from 9PM to 6AM in most places and have banned really any groups for at least the next 4 weeks. Northern Ireland is closing schools for 4 weeks. Even Germany is seeing rises and now contemplating next steps. Not pretty over there. Debate over lockdowns happening again. I think the UK is promising 2/3 of the wages of people who are laid off during this time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54535358
Makes a lot more sense (with an upper limit cutoff) than the US paying $600 a week (or later $300) on top of state unemployment, so you have a lot of people making more more to stay at home, some making less, a few way less...
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kalm wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:02 am
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Do you remember way back in March when they told us not to freak out once we get testing ramped up? Well, you've freaked out.

Anyway, Z is right. COVID has found most of it's victims, as evidenced by the positives in testing starting to settle in around 5% and the declining death rate.

Still want to know what is being measured as a case. CDC is pretty clear, but can't seem to locate it in the NYT coverage.
No. I remember increased testing as another important tool in the kit.

I’m freaking out because we could be in such better shape right now but we’re too selfish and stupid.

Covid has found most of its victims according to who? We are around 5% which is good. Summer and increased mask wearing and temporary restrictions even in places like Florida and Texas helped as predicted. Epidemiologists say we need to get below 5 and consistently stay below it. Places like the NW and PNW, ND, Montana, Idaho have inched back up after weathering the initial assault. Europe is now once again leading the continents in new cases.

Regarding death rates...we suck. Funny how it’s the same people in March, calling it the flu and preaching zero restrictions who are still beating those drums. ‘What’s a few hundred thousand more deaths and grandma staying locked up for life? It’s run it’s course... I want the old days back.’

“If the coronavirus death rate in the United States were similar to that of Australia, it would have had 187,661 fewer COVID-19 deaths (94% of reported deaths), and, compared with Canada, it would have had 117,622 fewer deaths (59%).”

“The authors concluded that COVID-19 deaths and excess deaths from any cause in the United States likely were due to a poor pandemic response rather than an early surge of coronavirus cases before virus prevention and treatment methods were improved.”

Have of our nation is still responding poorly.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... eath-rates
inching back up might be generous. After doing quite well until the last month or so, Montana is now approaching 10%. Billings hospital has started sending patients to the Bozeman hospital.

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Clemson son got moved from the dorm to a hotel last night. His roomate's test came back positive after 4 days of symptoms and was sent to a different hotel. Son's most recent test (4th since arriving there a month ago) came up negative again this morning. He has thus far dodged a positive test despite being surrounded by multiple positives.

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CAA Flagship wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:00 am
Clemson son got moved from the dorm to a hotel last night. His roomate's test came back positive after 4 days of symptoms and was sent to a different hotel. Son's most recent test (4th since arriving there a month ago) came up negative again this morning. He has thus far dodged a positive test despite being surrounded by multiple positives.
Are they doing any in-person classes there? I assume that now he's in a hotel he's restricted on what he can do?
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GannonFan wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:07 am
CAA Flagship wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:00 am
Clemson son got moved from the dorm to a hotel last night. His roomate's test came back positive after 4 days of symptoms and was sent to a different hotel. Son's most recent test (4th since arriving there a month ago) came up negative again this morning. He has thus far dodged a positive test despite being surrounded by multiple positives.
Are they doing any in-person classes there? I assume that now he's in a hotel he's restricted on what he can do?
The only one he has is a golf class on Tuesdays. (BTW, his professor saw his swing and immediately asked if he was a baseball player :lol: ).

He said the hotel is sweet. TV, fridge, and he doesn't have to climb up to his bed. Food is delivered to his room. Has to spend 10 days there and negative test out.

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CAA Flagship wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:12 am
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Are they doing any in-person classes there? I assume that now he's in a hotel he's restricted on what he can do?
The only one he has is a golf class on Tuesdays. (BTW, his professor saw his swing and immediately asked if he was a baseball player :lol: ).

He said the hotel is sweet. TV, fridge, and he doesn't have to climb up to his bed. Food is delivered to his room. Has to spend 10 days there and negative test out.
Yeah, I can't imagine a college kid having a tough time hanging out in a hotel room with a phone and food delivered to him. If he was able to bring in an Xbox or PlayStation he might not ever leave. Of course assuming no negative impacts from Covid, but for his generation that's pretty much the norm.
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CAA Flagship wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:12 am
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Are they doing any in-person classes there? I assume that now he's in a hotel he's restricted on what he can do?
The only one he has is a golf class on Tuesdays. (BTW, his professor saw his swing and immediately asked if he was a baseball player :lol: ).

He said the hotel is sweet. TV, fridge, and he doesn't have to climb up to his bed. Food is delivered to his room. Has to spend 10 days there and negative test out.
That's a pretty sweet deal for the student. At Iowa they left a section of a dorm empty and that's where you have to move to if you test positive.
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CAA Flagship wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:00 am
Clemson son got moved from the dorm to a hotel last night. His roomate's test came back positive after 4 days of symptoms and was sent to a different hotel. Son's most recent test (4th since arriving there a month ago) came up negative again this morning. He has thus far dodged a positive test despite being surrounded by multiple positives.
That sucks. I might be in the area in a few weeks, my cousin has a house on Lake Hartwell. Want me to resupply him with alcohol...?
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HI54UNI wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:28 am
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:12 am


The only one he has is a golf class on Tuesdays. (BTW, his professor saw his swing and immediately asked if he was a baseball player :lol: ).

He said the hotel is sweet. TV, fridge, and he doesn't have to climb up to his bed. Food is delivered to his room. Has to spend 10 days there and negative test out.
That's a pretty sweet deal for the student. At Iowa they left a section of a dorm empty and that's where you have to move to if you test positive.
That's smart. My nephew is a Junior at The Citadel and they've done something similar with the dorms.
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