Coronavirus COVID-19

Political discussions
User avatar
89Hen
Maroon Supporter
Maroon Supporter
Posts: 36803
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:13 pm
I am a fan of: High Horses
A.K.A.: The Almighty Arbiter

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by 89Hen »

BDKJMU wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:55 pm Well as a pseudo centrist, I’m for both raising taxes AND cutting spending.
Actually, doesn't that make you the opposite of a centrist? You're a double extremist. :lol:
Image
User avatar
BDKJMU
Level5
Level5
Posts: 19056
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:59 am
I am a fan of: JMU
A.K.A.: BDKJMU
Location: Philly Burbs

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by BDKJMU »

89Hen wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:09 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:55 pm Well as a pseudo centrist, I’m for both raising taxes AND cutting spending.
Actually, doesn't that make you the opposite of a centrist? You're a double extremist. :lol:
How does my name end up when quoting Kalm :? :suspicious:
BLM: Burning Looting Marxists
kalm
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 47768
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:36 pm
I am a fan of: Eastern
A.K.A.: Humus The Proud
Location: Northern Palouse

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by kalm »

89Hen wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:09 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:55 pm Well as a pseudo centrist, I’m for both raising taxes AND cutting spending.
Actually, doesn't that make you the opposite of a centrist? You're a double extremist. :lol:
Touche!

:D
Image
Image
Image
kalm
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 47768
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:36 pm
I am a fan of: Eastern
A.K.A.: Humus The Proud
Location: Northern Palouse

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by kalm »

BDKJMU wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:55 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:58 pm

Well as a pseudo centrist, I’m for both raising taxes AND cutting spending.

But now is not the time to fight for austerity. People needed help 5 months ago.

BTW, France’s latest surge is already cresting after just a few weeks. Meanwhile...

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-ne ... story.html
Majority of those younger folks packing the bars voted for Biden, or at least according to JSO they djd.
Probably. Stupidity transcends ideology.
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
89Hen
Maroon Supporter
Maroon Supporter
Posts: 36803
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:13 pm
I am a fan of: High Horses
A.K.A.: The Almighty Arbiter

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by 89Hen »

BDKJMU wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:15 am
89Hen wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:09 am

Actually, doesn't that make you the opposite of a centrist? You're a double extremist. :lol:
How does my name end up when quoting Kalm :? :suspicious:
User error? :oops:
Image
User avatar
AZGrizFan
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 54682
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
Location: Just to the right of center

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by AZGrizFan »

It would appear that many of the surges are abating already. Many countries across Europe and many states are now seeing downward trends again.
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
Image
User avatar
Gil Dobie
Level5
Level5
Posts: 27139
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:45 pm
I am a fan of: Norse Dakota State
Location: Historic Leduc Estate

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by Gil Dobie »

AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:34 pm It would appear that many of the surges are abating already. Many countries across Europe and many states are now seeing downward trends again.
Minnesota just had it's highest total deaths in a day, setting the record for the 3rd time this week. 7 day average is the highest it's every been. The upper Midwest is showing peak 7 day averages for deaths in most states.
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
kalm
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 47768
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:36 pm
I am a fan of: Eastern
A.K.A.: Humus The Proud
Location: Northern Palouse

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by kalm »

Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:52 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:34 pm It would appear that many of the surges are abating already. Many countries across Europe and many states are now seeing downward trends again.
Minnesota just had it's highest total deaths in a day, setting the record for the 3rd time this week. 7 day average is the highest it's every been. The upper Midwest is showing peak 7 day averages for deaths in most states.
Bed rationing in Spokane now. A friend’s grandpa is the only resident of his care center that has not tested positive. They sent two to an ICU yesterday who were returned due to lack of beds.
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
Col Hogan
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 11874
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:29 am
I am a fan of: William & Mary
Location: Republic of Texas

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by Col Hogan »

Supreme Court issues a stay against New York prohibitions on houses of worship, as excess when compared to restrictions on supermarkets, liquor stores and other secular institutions...
In a red zone, while a synagogue or church may not admit more than 10 persons, businesses categorized as “essential” may admit as many people as they wish. And the list of “essential” businesses includes things such as acupuncture facilities, camp grounds, garages, as well as many whose services are not limited to those that can be regarded as es- sential, such as all plants manufacturing chemicals and mi- croelectronics and all transportation facilities. See New York State, Empire State Development, Guidance for De- termining Whether a Business Enterprise is Subject to a Workforce Reduction Under Recent Executive Orders, https://esd.ny.gov/guidance-executive-order-2026. The dis- parate treatment is even more striking in an orange zone. While attendance at houses of worship is limited to 25 per- sons, even non-essential businesses may decide for them- selves how many persons to admit.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 7_4g15.pdf


Justice Gorsuch was fairly harsh in his portion of the 5-4 ruling...

New York’s Governor has asserted the power to assign different color codes to different parts of the State and govern each by ex- ecutive decree. In “red zones,” houses of worship are all but closed—limited to a maximum of 10 people. In the Ortho- dox Jewish community that limit might operate to exclude all women, considering 10 men are necessary to establish a minyan, or a quorum. In “orange zones,” it’s not much dif- ferent. Churches and synagogues are limited to a maxi- mum of 25 people. These restrictions apply even to the larg- est cathedrals and synagogues, which ordinarily hold hundreds. And the restrictions apply no matter the precau- tions taken, including social distancing, wearing masks, leaving doors and windows open, forgoing singing, and dis- infecting spaces between services

At the same time, the Governor has chosen to impose no capacity restrictions on certain businesses he considers “es- sential.” And it turns out the businesses the Governor con- siders essential include hardware stores, acupuncturists, and liquor stores. Bicycle repair shops, certain signage companies, accountants, lawyers, and insurance agents are all essential too. So, at least according to the Governor, it may be unsafe to go to church, but it is always fine to pick up another bottle of wine, shop for a new bike, or spend the afternoon exploring your distal points and meridians. Who knew public health would so perfectly align with secular convenience?
“Tolerance and Apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.” Aristotle

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
User avatar
UNI88
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 9841
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:30 am
I am a fan of: UNI
A.K.A.: Unification88
Location: Fence Sitter & Ball-Sack Splitter

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by UNI88 »

Col Hogan wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:27 am Supreme Court issues a stay against New York prohibitions on houses of worship, as excess when compared to restrictions on supermarkets, liquor stores and other secular institutions...
In a red zone, while a synagogue or church may not admit more than 10 persons, businesses categorized as “essential” may admit as many people as they wish. And the list of “essential” businesses includes things such as acupuncture facilities, camp grounds, garages, as well as many whose services are not limited to those that can be regarded as es- sential, such as all plants manufacturing chemicals and mi- croelectronics and all transportation facilities. See New York State, Empire State Development, Guidance for De- termining Whether a Business Enterprise is Subject to a Workforce Reduction Under Recent Executive Orders, https://esd.ny.gov/guidance-executive-order-2026. The dis- parate treatment is even more striking in an orange zone. While attendance at houses of worship is limited to 25 per- sons, even non-essential businesses may decide for them- selves how many persons to admit.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/2 ... 7_4g15.pdf

Justice Gorsuch was fairly harsh in his portion of the 5-4 ruling...
New York’s Governor has asserted the power to assign different color codes to different parts of the State and govern each by ex- ecutive decree. In “red zones,” houses of worship are all but closed—limited to a maximum of 10 people. In the Ortho- dox Jewish community that limit might operate to exclude all women, considering 10 men are necessary to establish a minyan, or a quorum. In “orange zones,” it’s not much dif- ferent. Churches and synagogues are limited to a maxi- mum of 25 people. These restrictions apply even to the larg- est cathedrals and synagogues, which ordinarily hold hundreds. And the restrictions apply no matter the precau- tions taken, including social distancing, wearing masks, leaving doors and windows open, forgoing singing, and dis- infecting spaces between services

At the same time, the Governor has chosen to impose no capacity restrictions on certain businesses he considers “es- sential.” And it turns out the businesses the Governor con- siders essential include hardware stores, acupuncturists, and liquor stores. Bicycle repair shops, certain signage companies, accountants, lawyers, and insurance agents are all essential too. So, at least according to the Governor, it may be unsafe to go to church, but it is always fine to pick up another bottle of wine, shop for a new bike, or spend the afternoon exploring your distal points and meridians. Who knew public health would so perfectly align with secular convenience?
Oregon Governor Brown is doing something similar ...
  • Indoor recreation, fitness, and entertainment establishments, including gyms, will remain closed, however, outdoor recreation, fitness, and entertainment activities, including outdoor gym activities, will be allowed, with a maximum limit of 50 people outdoors.
  • Retail stores, grocery stores, pharmacies, and indoor and outdoor shopping centers and malls will be limited to a maximum of 50% of capacity, with curbside pick-up encouraged.
  • Faith institutions, funeral homes, mortuaries, and cemeteries will be limited to a maximum of 25% of capacity or 100 people indoors (whichever is smaller), or 150 people outdoors.
Why can retail locations be at 50% capacity with no maximum but indoor faith institutions are limited to 25% and a maximum of 100 people? If it's because people in retail locations are moving and leaving while people in faith institutions are sitting/standing then that should be explained. Why doesn't that apply to recreation, fitness and entertainment establishments?

The apparent arbitrary nature of the restrictions is a big part of the problem.
User avatar
AZGrizFan
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 54682
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
Location: Just to the right of center

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by AZGrizFan »

kalm wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:58 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:52 pm

Minnesota just had it's highest total deaths in a day, setting the record for the 3rd time this week. 7 day average is the highest it's every been. The upper Midwest is showing peak 7 day averages for deaths in most states.
Bed rationing in Spokane now. A friend’s grandpa is the only resident of his care center that has not tested positive. They sent two to an ICU yesterday who were returned due to lack of beds.
Thank you, you two. I said MANY, not all.
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
Image
User avatar
BDKJMU
Level5
Level5
Posts: 19056
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:59 am
I am a fan of: JMU
A.K.A.: BDKJMU
Location: Philly Burbs

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by BDKJMU »

Oregon, where rioting, coke, meth, and heroin are now ok, but a Thanksgiving gathering means 30 days in jail and $1250 in fines, and neighbors are being asked to snitch on neighbors...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... ovid-rules
BLM: Burning Looting Marxists
User avatar
BDKJMU
Level5
Level5
Posts: 19056
Joined: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:59 am
I am a fan of: JMU
A.K.A.: BDKJMU
Location: Philly Burbs

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by BDKJMU »

Numerous NY state Sheriffs have said they won't enforce Cuomo's anti Thanksgiving orders. Cuomo calls them dictators.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosa ... s-n2580554
BLM: Burning Looting Marxists
User avatar
Gil Dobie
Level5
Level5
Posts: 27139
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:45 pm
I am a fan of: Norse Dakota State
Location: Historic Leduc Estate

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by Gil Dobie »

Minnesota has another day of record deaths yesterday.
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
kalm
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 47768
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:36 pm
I am a fan of: Eastern
A.K.A.: Humus The Proud
Location: Northern Palouse

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by kalm »

AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:16 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:58 am

Bed rationing in Spokane now. A friend’s grandpa is the only resident of his care center that has not tested positive. They sent two to an ICU yesterday who were returned due to lack of beds.
Thank you, you two. I said MANY, not all.
Another friend’s MiL in rural Illinois is in a similar situation.
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
SeattleGriz
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 10172
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:41 am
I am a fan of: Montana
A.K.A.: PhxGriz

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by SeattleGriz »

The gist of the article: There has been no appreciable increase in deaths due to COVID. Same deaths are happening, now we just label them as a COVID death instead.

Everything is better with SeattleGriz
User avatar
SeattleGriz
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 10172
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:41 am
I am a fan of: Montana
A.K.A.: PhxGriz

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by SeattleGriz »

Good article explaining the problem of false positives and how the narrative of "new cases" keeps getting propogated, even if the rate decreases.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/ ... vid-tests/
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why PCR positive cases are a very poor indicator of how prevalent covid is in the population, and why we should instead be basing decisions on the rates of hospitalization, ICU admission, and death. If we just look at the PCR tests, we will continue to believe that the disease is widespread in the population indefinitely, even as it becomes less and less common in reality.
Everything is better with SeattleGriz
User avatar
AZGrizFan
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 54682
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
Location: Just to the right of center

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by AZGrizFan »

Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:41 am Minnesota has another day of record deaths yesterday.
Well let’s be honest, with what we’ve seen out of Minnesota this year, they could stand to lose a few.... :coffee: :coffee:

edit: The real answer is because it’s two days worth of deaths. :nod: :nod: :nod:
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
Image
User avatar
Gil Dobie
Level5
Level5
Posts: 27139
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:45 pm
I am a fan of: Norse Dakota State
Location: Historic Leduc Estate

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by Gil Dobie »

AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:23 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:41 am Minnesota has another day of record deaths yesterday.
Well let’s be honest, with what we’ve seen out of Minnesota this year, they could stand to lose a few.... :coffee: :coffee:

edit: The real answer is because it’s two days worth of deaths. :nod: :nod: :nod:
High during first wave was around 1/3 of that.
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
User avatar
AZGrizFan
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 54682
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
Location: Just to the right of center

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by AZGrizFan »

Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:07 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:23 pm

Well let’s be honest, with what we’ve seen out of Minnesota this year, they could stand to lose a few.... :coffee: :coffee:

edit: The real answer is because it’s two days worth of deaths. :nod: :nod: :nod:
High during first wave was around 1/3 of that.
They really are an anomaly at this point. Several states have already peaked again, in both cases and deaths, and curves are trending downward.
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
Image
User avatar
Gil Dobie
Level5
Level5
Posts: 27139
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:45 pm
I am a fan of: Norse Dakota State
Location: Historic Leduc Estate

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by Gil Dobie »

AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:15 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:07 pm

High during first wave was around 1/3 of that.
They really are an anomaly at this point. Several states have already peaked again, in both cases and deaths, and curves are trending downward.
I understand that, Covid worked it's way from the coasts to the center of the country. Texas, California etc peaked in August. Upper Midwest is peaking now.
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
kalm
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 47768
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:36 pm
I am a fan of: Eastern
A.K.A.: Humus The Proud
Location: Northern Palouse

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by kalm »

AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:15 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:07 pm

High during first wave was around 1/3 of that.
They really are an anomaly at this point. Several states have already peaked again, in both cases and deaths, and curves are trending downward.
It does seem to be losing some steam in places but not in WA.

Hope that continues but it could be due to the holiday and in a few weeks, also due to the holiday.
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
AZGrizFan
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 54682
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
Location: Just to the right of center

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by AZGrizFan »

kalm wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:18 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:15 pm

They really are an anomaly at this point. Several states have already peaked again, in both cases and deaths, and curves are trending downward.
It does seem to be losing some steam in places but not in WA.

Hope that continues but it could be due to the holiday and in a few weeks, also due to the holiday.
As I was looking at the numbers, I thought the same thing....there were states that didn’t report on Thursday, which caused some 7-day curves to shift, so we shall see if it continues or was a downward blip because of the holiday. On the surface though, it looks good in several areas....
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
Image
User avatar
UNI88
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 9841
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:30 am
I am a fan of: UNI
A.K.A.: Unification88
Location: Fence Sitter & Ball-Sack Splitter

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by UNI88 »

Portland Reverend reacts to Governor Brown's new COVID-19 guidance, says he won't hold in-person service
"We worship a God of life, and God's given us science and health experts; we have them in our congregation," Knutson said. "I sat down with a group in February and talked about the steps we would take to keep people safe and well through this."
A faith leader who cares for their congregation.
Ibanez
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 55903
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:16 pm
I am a fan of: Coastal Carolina

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by Ibanez »

AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:34 pm It would appear that many of the surges are abating already. Many countries across Europe and many states are now seeing downward trends again.
thankfully. Charleston has been decreasing for some time. My county (York) was one of the top counties for surges in cases/deaths but it seems that we're on the other side of it.

Though, after Thanksgiving all of those decreases could be temporarily lost.
Turns out I might be a little gay. 89Hen 11/7/17
Post Reply