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Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:29 pm On 60 Minutes, the Fed Reserve Chair says we are out of the woods, the economy is ready to take off. No more fear mongering allowed by the hoaxers.
Economy WOULD take off, if the government would stop incentivizing people to NOT work.

Edit: Well, the economy MINUS THE 100,000 RESTAURANTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE CLOSED FOREVER.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:53 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:29 pm On 60 Minutes, the Fed Reserve Chair says we are out of the woods, the economy is ready to take off. No more fear mongering allowed by the hoaxers.
Economy WOULD take off, if the government would stop incentivizing people to NOT work.

Edit: Well, the economy MINUS THE 100,000 RESTAURANTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE CLOSED FOREVER.
They are open here in Minnesota.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:01 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:53 am

Economy WOULD take off, if the government would stop incentivizing people to NOT work.

Edit: Well, the economy MINUS THE 100,000 RESTAURANTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE CLOSED FOREVER.
They are open here in Minnesota.
Really? NO restaurants or small businesses closed forever because of the shutdown/lockdowns?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:10 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:01 am

They are open here in Minnesota.
Really? NO restaurants or small businesses closed forever because of the shutdown/lockdowns?
None that I can see in a town of 25,000. One closed temporarily, but opened back up. New one just opened last month in an old bank building. They use the money chutes for paying at the drive-thru. Also, a new Mexican restaurant just opened.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:13 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:10 am

Really? NO restaurants or small businesses closed forever because of the shutdown/lockdowns?
None that I can see in a town of 25,000. One closed temporarily, but opened back up. New one just opened last month in an old bank building. They use the money chutes for paying at the drive-thru. Also, a new Mexican restaurant just opened.
We've covered this a while ago. Gil seems to be the outlier.

Washington, DC closures as of end of 2020...

A&D – The Shaw bar was a no-frills spot for affordable cocktails, canned beers, and foosball over its eight years.

A Rake’s Progress – Baltimore-based chef and James Beard winner Spike Gjerde focused on hyper-local, refined seasonal American food at the Line hotel. Sister coffee bar A Cup We All Race For is now a Japanese cafe from Erik Bruner-Yang, who also operates lobby restaurant Brothers and Sisters.

Acqua al Due – You now have to travel to the Florence original to get your filet mignon with blueberry sauce and gnocchi sampler.

America Eats Tavern – José Andrés’s ode to American cuisine—a concept that has opened and closed in multiple locations around DC since 2011—called it quits in Georgetown.

American Ice Co. – The Hilton brothers’ hangout near the 9:30 Club poured its last pickle-back in early November.

Amsterdam Falafelshop – The hangover-helping late-night standby on 14th Street is no more, but the Adams Morgan original remains open.

B Too – Top Chef alum Bart Vandaele’s 14th Street Belgian spot was a destination for sweet and savory waffles. His Capitol Hill spots Belga Cafe and Betsy remain open.

Bareburger – The omnivorous burger chain, which offered bison and plant-based patties alongside traditional beef, pulled out of DC with the shutter of its Dupont Circle location.

BBQ Bus-The food truck and Brightwood Park storefront—known for its pulled pork sandwiches and spicy crimson sauce—were done in by the massive drop in office-lunch business, says owner Che Ruddell-Tabisola.

Beefsteak (Dupont Circle) – Pre-pandemic, José Andrés shuttered a few locations of his fast-casual, veggie-focused chain. Now the only DC branch operates in Foggy Bottom.

Big Chief – The voluminous Ivy City bar from Tin Shop (Franklin Hall, Tallboy) closed its doors in March.

Bistro Bohem – This Shaw cafe served a Czech and European menu for eight years in Shaw.

Boundary Stone – The Bloomingdale hangout hopes to bring its wings and burgers back next year.

Breadline – The popular downtown bakery and sandwich destination is closed “for the foreseeable future.”

The Brixton – The tri-level U Street pub from Eric and Ian Hilton was a popular rooftop destination.

Burger Tap & Shake – The low-key hangout near GW hopes to relocate.

Cafe Chocolat – The chocolate boutique and coffee bar—the “Cheers of Chocolate”—was devoted to all things cacao over its nearly four years.

Cafe Soleil – This 12-year-old downtown staple was popular with office workers and tourists near the White House.

Casolare – Michael Schlow is turning his Italian-American hotel restaurant into the all-American Glover Park Grill.

Campono – This casual Italian restaurant was originally opened by late DC restaurateur, Bob Kinkead in 2o14.

Capitol Lounge – The Capitol Hill bar was a go-to happy hour, sports, and trivia spot for politicos and Hill interns over its 26 years.

The Carving Room – The sandwich spot/bar in Mount Vernon Triangle is suspended for now; the NoMa location is still open.

The Coconut Club – Adam Greenberg’s island-themed dining room near Union Market is on hiatus through the winter.

Codmother – DC’s self-proclaimed “shittiest bar”—and intern enclave—was known for a playlist of ’90s punk and drunken sing-along songs.

Coppi’s – The Italian restaurant, which boasted an “organic, biodynamic, sustainable” menu, had been around 27 years, including the last six in Cleveland Park. The owners hope to reopen elsewhere.

Cusbah – H Street’s family-run neighborhood favorite for Indian/Pakistani cooking closed for good in November.

DC Eagle – The District’s oldest continuously operating gay bar closed after the building it rented was sold. It was slated to celebrate its 49th anniversary this year.

Declaration – The pizza hangouts near the 9:30 Club and Nats Park are taking a break.

Dio Wine Bar – The progressive H Street wine bar-turned-bottle shop specialized in natural and women-made wines. It ceased operations in June with an eye toward potentially reopening down the line.

District Commons – The Passion Food group’s Foggy Bottom American spot was known for its happy hours.

Dolcezza The homegrown company, which sells super-seasonal Argentinean-style gelato, is closing five of its area cafes (Logan Circle, Dupont Circle, CityCenterDC, the Wharf, and Bethesda) throughout October. Only one—in Fairfax’s Mosaic District—remains. You’ll still find their pints at various Whole Foods and other retail locations.

Echo Park – The Shaw bar, which replaced Gaslight Tavern in 2019, served New York-style pies from Andy’s Pizza and featured two fireplaces and a garden patio.

El Centro D.F. – The decade-old 14th Street taqueria and tequila bar drew lines on weekends when its basement turned into a nightclub. The Georgetown location remains open.

Eighteenth Street Lounge – One of DC’s iconic bars and nightclubs—a fixture of the then-vibrant Dupont nightlife scene in the ’90s and early 2000s—was about to celebrate its 25th anniversary.

Emilie’s– What was once one of DC’s hottest dining spots has morphed into Paraiso, a taqueria.

Fado – The Chinatown Irish bar had a 22 year run of serving Guinness and hosting World Cup watch parties. The owners say they closed because they weren’t able to renew their lease, not because of Covid.

Firehook Bakery – The bakery’s Cleveland Park location was a fixture of the neighborhood for 23 years.

Gibson – The cocktail haven at 14th and U helped introduce DC to the “speakeasy” style bar.

Hazel – The Neighborhood Restaurant Group’s eclectic Shaw dining room has shut down for the winter.

Johnny’s Half Shell – Ann Cashion and John Fulchino’s mid-Atlantic/Southern institution had been around in various locations since 1999.

Kitty O’Shea’s – The Irish pub, which closed September 27, served Tenleytown for nine years.

Last Call Bar – Gina Chersevani’s bar near Union Market has suspended service for now.

Legal Sea Foods – The Boston seafood chain has shut down its Gallery Place and Crystal City locations.

Marvin – The 13-year-old U Street bistro and bar was a go-to for dancing, DJs, and live music.

Mason Dixie – After a long series of pop-ups and short-lived stint as a drive-through, this Southern biscuit specialist moved to Shaw and opened an all-day cafe and diner. You can still find the frozen biscuits in national retail outfits.

Matchbox – The 14th Street outpost of the local chain closed after Matchbox Food Group filed for bankruptcy in early August.

Momofuku CCDC – Celeb chef David Chang initially made his foray into Washington with a menu of ramen and bun, but reinvented the CityCenterDC restaurant to much acclaim under chef Tae Strain (who left last fall).

Montmartre – Capitol Hill’s stalwart French bistro drew senators and regular politicos for its onion soup, calf’s liver, and braised rabbit over its 20-year run.

Nocturne – The intimate bar offered innovative cocktails in the basement of Sugar Shack in Shaw.

Olivia – Ashok Bajaj’s mod-Med dining room is one of many closures in Penn Quarter.

Otello – The old-school red-sauce Italian joint with red-checkered tablecloths operated in Dupont Circle for 35 years.

The Oval Room – Ashok Bajaj’s mod-American dining room near the White House is out of the power-lunch rotation.

Peregrine – The coffee hotspot stopped serving pour-overs and cappuccinos after nine years on 14th Street. Other locations in Capitol Hill and Union Market remain open.

Players Club – The two-year-old subterranean arcade bar in Logan Circle was styled after a 1970s rumpus room with classic games like pinball, Skee-Ball, and Pac Man.

Pleasant Pops – DC’s long-running artisanal-popsicle business closed its Adams Morgan flagship in late November.

Po’ Boy Jim – Fried-seafood baskets and Louisiana-style sandwiches are no longer available in Shaw; the H Street location is still open.

Poca Madre – Chef Victor Albisu’s mod-Mex fine-dining restaurant in Penn Quarter ranked #6 on Washingtonian‘s most recent 100 Very Best Restaurants list.

Pom Pom – Formerly Himitsu, the revamped female-driven restaurant in Petworth served eclectic share plates, women-made wines, and standout cocktails.

Post Pub – The downtown dive served martinis and beer pitchers to journalists and other devoted regulars for nearly 44 years.

Rebellion – The 18th Street bourbon bar and restaurant aimed to be the “everyday public house” with a menu of Southern-inspired comfort food and whiskey galore.

Red Hook Lobster Pound – The decade-old mobile vendor drew long lines of office workers seeking Connecticut and Maine-style rolls during DC’s food truck heyday.

RedRocks Neapolitan Bistro – The H Street Northeast outpost of this pizza spot has closed, but locations in Columbia Heights and Old Town Alexandria remain open.

Republic Kolache – Republic Cantina owner Chris Svetlik has shut down his separate Texan-pastry business.

Room 11 – The cozy Columbia Heights bar is (hopefully) only closed through the winter.

Roy Boys – The Navy Yard location of the fried-chicken/cocktail spot is gone, but its Shaw sibling is still in business.

Seventh Hill – The pizzeria from the owners of next-door Montmartre was a Capitol Hill destination for its thin-crust pies, which were named after DC parks and neighborhoods.

Smoke & Barrel– Adams Morgan’s popular barbecue joint/bar closed just after Thanksgiving.

The Source – Wolfgang Puck’s modern Asian restaurant in the former Newseum building drew accolades for its dim sum and Peking duck. It transitioned to a more casual all-day menu earlier this year.

Sundevich – The Georgetown branch of this international-themed sandwich shop closed on Halloween. The Shaw shop remains, and a Capitol Hill location is in the works.

Taco Bamba (Penn Quarter) – The only DC location of chef Victor Albisu’s fast-casual taqueria adjoined fine-dining Mexican restaurant Poca Madre.

Texas de Brazil – The international churrascaria chain carved meat from a massive Mt. Vernon Triangle dining room for five years.

Tino’s Pizzeria – The family-run Cleveland Park spot had barely been open a year.

Tosca – The Italian fine-dining stalwart, a downtown favorite among lobbyists and politicos, is going on hiatus for the winter.

Wisdom – The gin-focused Hill bar closed in March, and will not reopen.
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https://dcist.com/story/21/03/11/d-c-lo ... -the-city/
At least 235 brick-and-mortar businesses have closed permanently in D.C. since the first known coronavirus case was reported on March 7, 2020, with 100 more shuttered temporarily, a count by DCist/WAMU found. (The status of another 40 is unknown.)
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:09 am
SDHornet wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:04 am Really tells you all you need to know about how stupid the gen pop is. :lol: :ohno:

Until it’s confirmed that Moderna provides protection for the variants and transmission lump me in that 54% because 1) I wouldn’t want to be asymptomatic and give it to someone else, and 2) if I get it, I die.
Not likely you would die if you got the Moderna vaccine. Some small percentage of those who receive the vaccine have symptoms. But it's pretty much considered to be 100% protective against serious illness and/or death.

The part about being giving it to someone else is valid. Risk is reduced. But still possible.

The people who refuse to get vaccinated are the idiots among us. Not much can be done about it.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:14 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:09 am

Until it’s confirmed that Moderna provides protection for the variants and transmission lump me in that 54% because 1) I wouldn’t want to be asymptomatic and give it to someone else, and 2) if I get it, I die.
Not likely you would die if you got the Moderna vaccine. Some small percentage of those who receive the vaccine have symptoms. But it's pretty much considered to be 100% protective against serious illness and/or death.

The part about being giving it to someone else is valid. Risk is reduced. But still possible.

The people who refuse to get vaccinated are the idiots among us. Not much can be done about it.
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89Hen wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:28 am https://dcist.com/story/21/03/11/d-c-lo ... -the-city/
At least 235 brick-and-mortar businesses have closed permanently in D.C. since the first known coronavirus case was reported on March 7, 2020, with 100 more shuttered temporarily, a count by DCist/WAMU found. (The status of another 40 is unknown.)
How many close in an average year?
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I've eaten at a few of them, but you have to go into a city that now has a high crime rate. Not many really want to go into the Twin Cities to eat. 9 out 10 restaurants close their first year. Some of these will also reopen.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:32 pm
How many close in an average year?
About as many as a normal flu season.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:32 pm
How many close in an average year?
Over 100,000 bars and restaurants have closed permanently since COVID started. I’m gonna guess more than few of those are in the war zone currently known as MSP, and in other areas across the state.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:46 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:32 pm

How many close in an average year?
Over 100,000 bars and restaurants have closed permanently since COVID started. I’m gonna guess more than few of those are in the war zone currently known as MSP, and in other areas across the state.
There were over a million restaurants in the USA, not including bars. 100,000 closed during covid. If 9 out of 10 close within a year of opening, I can see that many closing during a pandemic, which is a better number than I was expecting with all this hysteria and fear porn about the economy tanking. Sucks when a good place closes. Have to look tomorrow and see how many bars there are that don't serve food.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:03 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:46 pm

Over 100,000 bars and restaurants have closed permanently since COVID started. I’m gonna guess more than few of those are in the war zone currently known as MSP, and in other areas across the state.
There were over a million restaurants in the USA, not including bars. 100,000 closed during covid. If 9 out of 10 close within a year of opening, I can see that many closing during a pandemic, which is a better number than I was expecting with all this hysteria and fear porn about the economy tanking. Sucks when a good place closes. Have to look tomorrow and see how many bars there are that don't serve food.
Really? You’re gonna try and make this a GOOD thing? Peoples lives and livelihoods ruined and you’re trying to spin the stat to a positive? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:40 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:03 pm

There were over a million restaurants in the USA, not including bars. 100,000 closed during covid. If 9 out of 10 close within a year of opening, I can see that many closing during a pandemic, which is a better number than I was expecting with all this hysteria and fear porn about the economy tanking. Sucks when a good place closes. Have to look tomorrow and see how many bars there are that don't serve food.
Really? You’re gonna try and make this a GOOD thing? Peoples lives and livelihoods ruined and you’re trying to spin the stat to a positive? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You are really going to keep pushing the fear. It's never good, just facts and not fear porn. The way the fear mongers have been talking, I was expecting 800,000 closures out of a million.
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US is pausing vaccinations using the J&J vaccine due to blood clots. Listen, I get that you want to be absolutely careful with the vaccines, but right now they have 6 cases of blood clots in more than 7 million doses of the vaccine. That's basically less than a one in a million chance of developing blood clots from this (and all 6 cases were females between 18 and 49). When supposedly the chances of catching and dying from COVID are higher than the chance of having a negative reaction to the vaccine, doesn't the math and science point to continuing the vaccine?

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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:46 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:32 pm

How many close in an average year?
Over 100,000 bars and restaurants have closed permanently since COVID started. I’m gonna guess more than few of those are in the war zone currently known as MSP, and in other areas across the state.
Didn’t have to happen. Economic crises were part of the reason we created the FED.

We have spending problem.

(During the good times).
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:03 am math and science
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Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:18 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:40 pm
Really? You’re gonna try and make this a GOOD thing? Peoples lives and livelihoods ruined and you’re trying to spin the stat to a positive? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You are really going to keep pushing the fear. It's never good, just facts and not fear porn. The way the fear mongers have been talking, I was expecting 800,000 closures out of a million.
Is that kind of like the fear porn that millions would die if states didn't lock people down and throw away the key?
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:09 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:46 pm
Over 100,000 bars and restaurants have closed permanently since COVID started. I’m gonna guess more than few of those are in the war zone currently known as MSP, and in other areas across the state.
Didn’t have to happen. Economic crises were part of the reason we created the FED.

We have spending problem.

(During the good times).
The answer to a spending problem is smaller government.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:18 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:40 pm

Really? You’re gonna try and make this a GOOD thing? Peoples lives and livelihoods ruined and you’re trying to spin the stat to a positive? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You are really going to keep pushing the fear. It's never good, just facts and not fear porn. The way the fear mongers have been talking, I was expecting 800,000 closures out of a million.
and the way the fear mongers talk I was expecting 10,000,000 deaths. So I guess we're both disappointed. :roll:
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kalm wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:09 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:46 pm

Over 100,000 bars and restaurants have closed permanently since COVID started. I’m gonna guess more than few of those are in the war zone currently known as MSP, and in other areas across the state.
Didn’t have to happen. Economic crises were part of the reason we created the FED.

We have spending problem.

(During the good times).
We have a spending problem during the good times, that goes on steroids during the "bad" times. The government's answer to everything is MORE government, MORE money, MORE taxes. MORE legislation, MORE control.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:23 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:18 am

You are really going to keep pushing the fear. It's never good, just facts and not fear porn. The way the fear mongers have been talking, I was expecting 800,000 closures out of a million.
Is that kind of like the fear porn that millions would die if states didn't lock people down and throw away the key?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:33 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:18 am

You are really going to keep pushing the fear. It's never good, just facts and not fear porn. The way the fear mongers have been talking, I was expecting 800,000 closures out of a million.
and the way the fear mongers talk I was expecting 10,000,000 deaths. So I guess we're both disappointed. :roll:
Exact same thing :thumb:
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